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Quote from Twoflower

Have fun with the lil left mouse button killer game.

You obviously like Diablo 2 (I figured this from your post history) and you have said that you liked Diablo 3 before 1.03. Aren't they "lil left mouse button killer game"s? As far as I know, the whole ARPG genre is "lil left mouse button killers".

Quote from helpme123

That's what people want then let them play like that. Why do you preached choices but only allow the "choices" you approved?

Because that choice makes every other choice obsolete; and it is not a "choice" anymore. If every other thing is equal, would you take the higher paying job or the lower one? Would you buy the more expensive car or the cheaper one? The same goes for the game. If a skill gives 10 dps and the other 1000, most people will use the one gives you 1000 dps.

A skill used by noone is still better than a skill used by everyone. You have choices in one and you don't in the other.

Edit: Anything that give you something per hit/kill can and will be abused. Like how at the start of Diablo 3 people only used fast one-handed weapons to get more healing from LoH. If you change into the fray 1 fury per hit, then people will only use dual daggers to gain more fury. Even if you make it 1 fury per kill, then people will ignore defense, stack as much damage as possible, and never go beyond torment for farming just to have infinite fury.

Quote from helpme123

I just love you guys peach for build diversity (which there is none) and then complaint someone who doesn't do a cookie cutter like all other class.

This game is all cookie cutter. How to build a good char? 500 RA, 50k life, 40% crit, 300% crit dmg, 30% IAS, max DPS. All the same.

People wanting build diversity and people who call others "noob" if they don't use cookie cutter builds can (and usually are) different.

Right now classes are not balanced. No other class have the advantages barbarians have: very high dps, very high speed and perma immunity to stuns, freeze, vortex ect. No other class can match the speed of a sprinting perma-berserk barbarian, and they only have limited invulnerability

Here you go, the explanation of this change:

Quote from Jaetch » There are many Legacy items that qualify as "disproportionately strong" when enchanted. These include:

- Chantodo's Will (innate APoC and high APS)
- Calamity (high IAS and crit damage)
- Echoing Fury (high APS if all you care about is DPS and not its annoying Fear)
- high-end trifecta or quadfecta jewelry pieces
...etc.

Of course, some level 70 items in the current Closed Beta can beat out enchanted Legacy gear, but that's the problem. Only some of the new items are good enough.

No need for a hours-long video.
Cheers.

Edit: Also found this: http://www.diablofans.com/forums/diablo-iii-general-forums/diablo-iii-general-discussion/80666-blizzard-removes-enchanting-for-60-items-oh-but-2?comment=146

"The last thing I want to say is that I don't disagree that a hardcore player who spend lots of time or resources on D3v to have a bit of advantage over people who hasn't, and we already have the advantage, being para 1000 on live and have good lv60 items to start with (and hopefully a better knowledge of the game), I will be able to level up and start doing harder difficulties quicker than most of you. That's the advantage I deserve. But if owning lv60 items become a pre-condition to play certain powerful builds, or using some lv60 items resulting in dealing more DPS than BIS lv70 version, it then create an issue. I like the idea of starting the next level of farming knowing doesn't matter whether I have spend money or flip or store anything before RoS, as long as I farm hard in RoS, I will progress just fine."

No, BIS 70>enchanted BIS 60. Not all 70 items have the potential to be better than enchanted BIS 60 items. There are many examples in this thread if you want to look for them.

In my opinion, the only real debate is why you assume your information/feedback is correct and other players' are wrong. You know, there are ways to give Blizzard feedback other than the battle.net forums: fan forums, videos/streams, e-mail... Do you know how many people gave feedback regarding this issue? Probably no. So do not say that Blizzard is making changes based off incorrect information/feedback when you are the one who don't have any basis for your argument.

And I thought english wasn't a good language for creating interesting curse words. That video was quite informative on that subject.

On topic: I'm fine with cosmetic microtransactions; however, I have mixed feelings for transactions affecting gameplay. Most of the time, they lead to bad gameplay and force you to make these transactions to have some fun. But they make so much money for some companies so they can make big games and support others. Take World of Warcraft for example. It had microtransactions even before microtransactions were a thing. Name, race, faction changes; in-game pets, mounts ect. Could Blizzard have made Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 and still providing servers for its old games without this monetary support from WoW?

One can argue that they can just focus on making good games and make money from selling that game. But a good game (in the eyes of us) might not make enough money (Planescape: Torment, which is probably the best cRPG ever created, or Heroes of Might and Magic 4 for example) and may even lead to closure of the company.

Yes, companies exist to make money; because they can't do the job they are build for if they don't have money.

If you think that level 70 items are already better than level 60 items even with enchanting, then why are you upset about this change? They will be obsolate when you hit level 70 anyway. The how this change is going to affect your gameplay?

You say that barbarians can't use magic; but they can. They can infuse their weapons with magic (the Berserk skill). Some of them use druidic powers. At least one of them uses necromancy, who also uses a druidic ability. Maybe not all of them can, but we know some does. And we know all of these from Diablo 2. You know, the game that introduced the barbarian race into the lore. Before you call people "blind", you could have done some research before saying that barbarians were not supposed to be magic users.

Quote from brx

So to be sure, you are ok with barbarians materializing hundred of pounds of matter above the ground? (Y/N)
Does the concept of classe archetypes ring any bells?
Am I actually arguing with actual people about this? This is surreal.

There was a barbarian who can summon demons and explode their corpses. He also used a druid spell (Arctic Blast). His name was Nihlatak. There were other barbarians (council of elders) who casted a druid spell to shield Harrogath. Does these still in your classe archetypes? Druids can materialize hundred of pounds of matter above the ground, it was the Armageddon spell in Diablo 2. If some barbarians are capable of casting druid spells, why a nephalem, a race much more powerful than an ordinary human, can't?

And I think you fail to understand that the characters in Diablo 3 are not ordinary humans. They are nephalem, a race more powerful than the angels and demons; and we don't know the limits of their power. So you can't argue what the barbarian in Diablo 3 can't do, because you have no basis for that argument.

Quote from brx

It is sad I have to remind people that barbarians are not supposed to be magic users.
There is no justification for barbarians to materialize boulders from the sky beyond "we thought it was awesome".

You guys defending this are only making the whole d3 situation more weird.

Berserk: A powerful but reckless attack that increases damage and attack rating but decreases defense rating. Attack: +100%, Magic Damage: 150%, Mana cost: 4, Recieves bonuses from Howl (10% Magic Damage per level), Shout (10% Magic Damage per level).

In Diablo 2, barbarians were able to deal magic damage and they used "mana", which is used for magic. There were also barbarian elders who managed to summon a shield around Harrogath. Nihlatak, even though he is shown as a necromancer in game, was one of the barbarian elders.

Even if we ignore these, in Diablo 3, the barbarian character can summon the first barbarians, can cause an earthquake which can freeze or burn, can pull his enemies to himself with by stomping his foot into the ground ect. And he is a descendant of the most powerful race in the world. I think we can say that, even if barbarians as a people don't use magic (and they can, see above), that doesn't mean barbarian in Diablo 3 won't too, as he is a nephalem.

Quote from brx

Barbarians can make appear boulders and rocks from the sky. Right. Ok blizzard.

Demon hunters can shoot balls of lightning from their bows which electrocutes everything in their path, but it doesn't effect his/her friends even though they wear heavy metal armor. Right. Ok.

You know Diablo 2, good. And you know closed battle.net, also good. Then you should also know that closed beta supposed to prevent hacks, cheats, and dupes happening. You should also know that it didn't. What happened is, people duped items, hacked items, used cheats like maphack, even tranferred their open battle.net characters to closed battle.net after a ladder reset. I don't know how they did that, but they did that and ruined online experience for so many people.

Now come 2013, Diablo 3's console version has an offline mode. And do you know what happened? Hacked and duped items. Again, people managed to play with game's files and managed to alter online play. But it doesn't, we have seen it on 2000's, and we see it now.

Imagine that you are playing happily with two of your friends, and opened the game to public for the XP/MF bonus. Then someone with a 100% movement speed and 1billion dps guy joined your game, and started clearing every single area without you. Then called you all noob and leaved. Would this be fun? (In before telling us not to open it to public: Why should we punished if some people abuse the game? Isn't the people stealing our fun are to blame? ("The thief was not to blame at all?" as said in my country.))

Let's say you are staying clean, no dupes ect. Then a guy joins your game and you play together for some time. When you return to the town, he drops a weapon which will give a huge bonus to you (but clearly not hacked) and tells you he doesn't needs it so you can take it. Would you? How would you know if it is duped or not? If you take the item, can you say you are clean after that moment?

Now you ask for an offline mode for Diablo 3. Even though we have two examples of how this can ruin online play for whole community, do you still want it? Can't you see why people defending online-only requirement? Blizzard's only reason can be DRM, we can't know that; however, we can see that it also benefits us, the players.