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Right now it's VOTA for essence, Festering > FoM > Crypt (if exists) for experience. There is nothing else.

At least bounties and rifts are random and offer different sceneries and monsters to fight. Bounties are everywhere in all acts so you can choose which ones you want to do. Not really sure I am understanding what the downside is.

Monster Density could be a valid complaint, but it has nothing to do specifically with Rifts and Bounties.

I still want to echo that I think transmog is great to be able to change a legendary that you find ugly into just a regular piece of tiered armor. There are over 10 choices now for each character class as far as those options go. But changing a legendary into another legendary or a non-legendary into a legendary has a duplicity that I personally cannot get behind. Seeing other people running around wearing legendary skins for legendaries they aren't actually utilizing kind of kills the lore aspect for me.

Not to mention that if each legendary is being given a unique ability, it seems overly deceptive to see another player wearing legendaries when they don't actually have those unique abilities that are supposed to be specifically attributed to said legendaries. It kind of has a disjointed feeling, that I'm sure I will adapt to but won't ever truly feel quite right about. It almost feels like these two new features (transmog and new legendary passives) have a conflict of interest as far as perception goes that I think Blizzard usually tries to avoid but is definitely being overlooked here.

An example that would apply, if transmog existed now, might be seeing someone using a FireWalkers skin over another set of boots, but not seeing any fire trail being left behind. It just has a blatant mismatch feeling to it that I don't particularly care for. It ruins some of the mystique that these legendaries are supposed to carry in their own individuality. If you thought the Firewalkers were ugly and just wanted to cover them up with the skin of a tier 8 boot skin, no big deal there.

On the other side of the spectrum, I want to clarify that I'd be fine with Firewalker boots that were covered by a tier 8 boot skin, to still display the fire trail passive effect, because at least you are actually wearing Firewalkers. It's a little deceptive, but at least the effect matches the actual item equipped to the owner. So if I see the trail I know they are Firewalkers underneath the transmog skin. It's deceptive, but it's a deception to a lesser degree that has a clear logical flow that leads to a clear logical outcome solely based upon immediate visual inspection.

I would have to argue there is a delicate and subtle finesse to this situation that the devs are overlooking.

My feelings for transmog are completely mixed. I like it, but I also hate it.

I am kind of against the idea of items taking on the skins of legendaries, but not necessarily against making a legendary look like a regular tiered piece of armor.

The "use self-control" line of thought is tired. What boundaries Blizzard chooses to enforce in the scope of the multiplayer experience matters to many. It may not matter to certain individuals but it matters to a lot of people in the community what stance Blizzard takes. It matters to many what experience they are going to have in relation to their friends and in relation to the entire community. You can self-impose your own standards, and even if you have the self-control to enforce them on yourself, it can have a psychological toll on your experience if you know all your friends and the community at large are playing a completely different game on a completely different level. For many people that subconscious nagging ruins the experience. It may not be that way for some, but it is that way for many.

If you take this line of thought further you could just remove all boundaries. Blizzard could just put a FAQ up at the beginning saying that it is a sandbox game and you can impose whatever limits you want to optimize your fun. Add an NPC that creates infinite gold, create an NPC that dupes items for you, increase legendary drop rate to whatever you want it to be. I mean what you choose to do doesn't effect anyone else right? It's all about your fun. If those NPCs ruin your fun show some self-control man!

But there in lies the problem. What many consider fun is based upon what is happening in the game at large within the community. To dismiss that just because your personal fun isn't being infringed upon is just as selfish in a sense.

You can keep pushing this "if trading is not fun, then don't trade" rhetoric all day long, but if I am not trading and my friend I play alongside is and he is killing monsters three times faster then me, that affects me. My personal fun has been compromised because I can't ignore that. Him killing faster effects my experience gain and my drops since monsters die quicker to the actions he is partaking in outside my gameplay. The boundaries imposed upon him being inequitable to mine outside of our game together has infringed upon my ability to share a common experience with him in the context of the game at large. For many, that is the fun of the game, the ability to share a common experience with the community imposed by the boundaries of the game itself on everyone mutually.

Many people care about the structure of the game as it is defined and enforced by Blizzard and want to play a game where everyone in the community is held to the same standard of play. For them, therein lies their personal fun. It enforces a sense of camaraderie that we are all playing the same game with the same limitations. What those limitations are defined at matters immensely.

I am not using this argument to make a case for whether trading should or shouldn't be allowed. If you want to be able to trade and want to make a case for that in the context of the game, fine. I am all for that. But, please, talk about it in the context of finding loot and feeling a sense of reward in doing so. How do these choices affect everyone and their ability to share a common experience? But don't use that "self-control" argument as if it had any relevance. Boundaries set by Blizzard matters. What people around you are doing in a multiplayer environment matters. It may not matter to you, but if it matters to even just a minority it is still relevant and not dismissible.

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I also want to also state that this is a system that would affect me adversely too, but I still support it. I too want to look at my friends characters and be jealous too of something they found, that I yet haven't, and know that I can't just instantly gratify myself with my very own version within an hour's time. I wouldn't be as impressed that he owned it in the first place if I knew that I could just go trade for it and get my own relatively hassle-free. I crave that experience that makes me see an item I want on a friend and encourages me to go hunt for my very own on monsters, instead of a trade channel. Then to know that when I finally find it, it will be that much savory of a victory.

All this shows to me is:

#1 - you're jealous of your friends' gear (wtf, jealous? really? talk about misplaced emotions...), which is weird;

#2 - you have no self control.
I've played self found since release, but I understood the people that said that they felt "forced" to use the AH even though they didn't like it; the self found experience was so frustrating that I totally understood if some people just couldn't be asked to 'suffer' through that.
But, if they do things right, and with the demise of the AH, playing self found will be a blast, and nowhere near that level of frustration, so I can no longer sympathise with that way of thinking. Now all it takes is a tiny amount of self control.

It's not fun for me unless everyone else is doing it the same way.

You have to be joking, get over yourself. Do your thing let everyone elce do what they want.

You are misinterpreting me. I am saying that a level playing field is important. I'm not saying everyone has to play my way. I am saying that it's not a sandbox game. There has to be boundaries in place to preserve the rewarding experience of finding a legendary. If you increase legendary drop rates so that players are finding their own legendaries and also try to make it so that every legendary has amazing stats by limiting the randomness to their affix rolls, you cannot have them be tradeable. They will just end up being everywhere and they will all be so amazing they'll just trade for nothing. Then where is the fun in trading when nothing has real value? You can't have (1) legendaries drop at a frequent rate, (2) have no bad rolls on legendaries (3) have them be tradeable, and (4) have the experience of finding a legendary feel rewarding. It's asking too much. Something has got to give.

With all the problems trading causes: duping, scamming, pay to win, botting... I think the answer is obvious. It is a sacrifice, but I think once people give it a try and put their fears aside they will find it will be for the better.

I have been in agreement with legendary and set items being strictly soulbound for a long time now and have been a proponent of that for a long time. I am glad that Travis Day agrees with me on this as finding a legendary should actually FEEL legendary. If any item is tradable it automatically becomes trivial because when thousands upon thousands of people are playing every day that item will just be everywhere and so easy to obtain it can't possibly feel good to own it and have found it yourself. You can't have your cake and eat it too on this one.

It makes even more sense in the fact that they want to make every legendary good and useful and not have crappy rolls on it. Everyone wants legendaries to feel legendary and have very low range on affix rolls and also drop often enough to not be extremely scarce, but you can't have that if the legendaries are tradeable because it makes them too abundant and obsolete.

We all want our characters to feel unique, and making legendaries soulbound on pick up proliferates this. If legendaries are used to open up new builds, then when you are using that new build because you actually found that legendary then in a way that build becomes inherently unique to your character. Your friends can't just trade for the item and use that build within the hour. If they want that build they have to put in the work and find that item themselves.

Think about set items as well. When you see someone with all the parts of Tal Rasha or Immortal Kings you know that person actually FOUND all of those set pieces making the set bonuses that much more impressive. They didn't just trade for them all with ease. It actually has inherent meaning to own them all.

Think of how much more rewarding finding a legendary will feel when you factor in all these things.

Let's not forget how soulbound legendaries will negatively affect duping, botting, scamming, and pay to win. Totally worth it.

I am really excited for this change and I know that the majority do not agree with me on this but I hope that this will make it into the final product. I'm sure everyone will whine though and it will get overturned, but one can dream.

Right now slow is useless because with life leech you WANT the monsters to come at you fast, so you can just stand there in huge mobs and be invulnerable. If you slow the monster down you are just slowing down yourself.

When you encounter a post you don't like there's always the option to just ignore it...

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Torment looks like a new name for a merged nightmare/hell, seeing alot are if im right nightmare achievements.

Tho, id figure they need to implement a new difficulty to facilitate the new levelcap. Inferno being the endgame for vanilla players and a leveling zone for 60-70. Doubt its a challenge for a level 70 if a 60 can do it. My guess is that youd still end up with a minimum of 4.

normal 1-40, torment(?) (40-60), inferno (60, 60-70), SUPERSERIUSINFERNO(70).
That, or they change inferno to hell, and buff infernos levelranges. Or they kept hell and named the new difficulty torment and switched achievements to the hardest difficulty. God knows what theyre doing over there. But i guess nightmare is atleast getting the boot. Good riddance!

Don't forget there is a new Act. So there's more experience to be had in each difficulty because you have to play through a fifth act.

For instance you might finish Normal at 35 instead of 30. And the second difficulty might end at 60 instead of 50. While the third difficulty can finish the last 10 levels.

Then if you want challenge you just turn on Monster Power for 70+

I'm so tired of people thinking Reflect Damage should individually shoulder the burden of being some anti-glass cannon mechanic. If Reflect Damage is the only thing stopping people from ignoring defenses that's pretty bad game design. It's the responsibility of the entire game as a fulling functioning combat driven entity to reward or punish certain character philosophies. If someone chooses to play a glass cannon character, they should reap the rewards and suffer the consequences of that choice in almost every monster engagement; not just a select random few that carry one monster affix designed specifically to counter it.

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I love it when you equate one person with the "community". Get one thing fucking straight once and for all: I speak for myself, and no one else. If I say that they should've kept quiet about it, then that's my opinion. Don't give me no bullshit about what the "community" would do, or what the "community" asks for.

You, however, are a part of the community. And the communty, by and large, has been demanding increased transparency, communication, and information-sharing from Blizzard. So it's pretty disingenuous for you to play the ostrich now when your opinion differs from what people have been criticizing Blizzard about this for over a year.

I can go through the general discussion forums here and find hundreds upon hundreds of posts with people asking for more information, more transparency, etc. This is the FIRST post I've ever seen here where someone is arguing the opposite. You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to play stupid and act like the rest of the community wants less information because that's completely contrary to history.

So, bottom line is that this is what "we" want. This is what "we" have asked for. If you don't like that, too fucking bad. We're sorry that it "ruined" the game for you, but "we" don't like being kept in the dark just so that you can feel like playing your pLvl 100 toon to get items that will be useless in the expansion is somehow meaningful.

By the way - you have been a vocal critic of legendaries. I know exactly how you would react if Blizzard didn't announce they were revamping legendaries. Yet, the mere announcement that they were revamping legendaries would basically invalidate ALL current legendaries which, according to you, would "ruin" the game. This is a clear case of hypocrisy. You can't demand legendaries be fixed but also demand that they don't give us any information that would "ruin" the current game experience for you. It's one or the other, not both.

If the game is so flawed and bad in it's current state then it really challenges just how much more this information can actually "ruin" it. I mean just a few days ago you were bitching that all the yellows you found were "garbage" which would lead me to believe that you're not actually having all that much fun farming right now anyway. So, in reality, how did any of this make it worse for you?

Instead of being stuck farming those horrible yellow/green/orange items now you have a legitemate reason to grind some XP on a different character. To me that sounds like a perfect reason to ditch something that was so terrible for something that actually serves a long-term purpose.

We can go back-and-forth for all eternity, but your past statements would lead any rational person to believe that you don't find the current game to be very fun at all, so it would be reasonable to question exactly how much you're overdramatizing this non-issue.

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They should've just kept quiet about this "adding up all your XP" business.

Oh come off it. If they weren't "transparent" then the same people would be QQing up a storm that they weren't sharing info. Just like every other issue, people want the information and they want it ASAP. Saying they shouldn't tell us information is so damned stupid I can't even comprehend it. It goes against EVERYTHING the community is continually railing on Blizzard for.

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When you have one option that is clearly superior to all others, then it's not really an option.

Well, yes, but that would apply even without Paragon 2.0.

Playing a pLvl 100 toon right now serves what purpose exactly? To get items that will be inferior with Loot 2.0 anyway? Let's be honest, there's no reason to cling to a pLvl 100 toon like a wet blanket, period. It has nothing to do with "superior toons in the future." It has everything to do with the fact that Loot 2.0 more or less invalidates any farming we are doing right now. But Loot 2.0 is what the community wants, right?

Should we just abandon Loot 2.0 and Paragon 2.0 because it somehow incentivizes playing "subpar" toons now? Give me a break! Hell, RoS invalidates hunting for gear, largely, at this point. Maybe Blizzard shouldn't tell us ANYTHING about RoS either so that it doesn't ruin the game for us!

It's like some of you people purposely go for the most "woe is me" melodramatic perspective you can take on an issue. This is the cost of major changes - it invalidates some of the current game. Man up and deal with it.

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When you die in an area like Stonefort in act 3, after you've cleared half the map, you have to walk for so long... It's just stupid. This is like the biggest punishment for me when i play and many times i just quit the run or move on to the next area. I think this is flawed design... I mean, walking for a few minutes? the most boring shit ever...

That has more to do with sloppy level/checkpoint design than anything. In D2, if you ended up having to walk a ways back to your corpse, that was your own fault for not dropping a town portal. Since TPs don't work the same way, there are many areas that really need more frequent checkpoints, Stonefort is a great example.

I wouldn't be against adding some more penalties to death, but the above is the kind of thing they really need to fix first.

A stream for big boys. Yet you write like a 10 year old.

No thanks.

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In D3 it's just you......come on, it's not that big a deal to press one key every minute or so.

The main problem I have with things like Ice/Storm/Energy Armor, Magic Weapon, Familiar, War Cry, Battle Rage, etc. is that they are not ACTIVE skills. Pressing Familiar once every 5 minutes is not an active skill. It's not like having Big Bad Voodoo on your bar and learning when you should use it versus when you should save it. It's not like using Soul Harvest where the runes give it some kind of interesting effect so that you're pushing it for more than just the buff. It's not even like mantras for their 3s superbuffs.

Frankly, things you pick as ACTIVE skills you should be pressing more than once in a while.

Okay well, here's your first problem...

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The most disrespectful thing anyone can do to a fellow poster is not read the things they say. Calling someone's posts "walls of text" is a fancy way of saying "I don't have the attention span to listen to what anything you have to say, but please, take my word seriously." I've had debates with other folks on this forum, who wrote insanely long posts, and at least before I got completely exhausted, I respected them enough to read their posts and respond to as much as I could.

In regard to the rest of your request...

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Search through my threads and prove me wrong. The threads history doesn't lie.

GLADLY!!! Here are the last batch of topics you've started, according to your profile.

Here's a link in which you simply post a meme, comparing D3 to Pokemon, implying Pokemon "legendaries" are more legendary than D3 legendaries.
http://www.diablofan...77#entry1205677

Memes, in case you're unaware, are an unintelligent way of contributing to a conversation. Not saying what the meme said was necessarily wrong, but letting other people do the discussing, while simply posting a meme, is not contributing. It's throwing fuel on a fire you already know is raging. Next...

Here's a link from September 13, where you ask about followers:
http://www.diablofan...34#entry1220334

Could be seen as a conversation starter, though to be honest, you didn't really ask anything besides "anything new happening." Besides which, you trail the vague question with "quite a dull addon." Making your question pretty much a loaded platform on which to flame. Next...

Here's a link where you post yet another meme where you imply the reaction by Blizzard to all the players' suggestions. I'm sure you were spot on.
http://www.diablofan...07#entry1200407

Finally, a post in which you say you pick the game up again for another 30 minutes (seems like an awfully masochistic pattern), and were met by the "match summary" screen.
http://www.diablofan...33#entry1195633

For a moment, I couldn't figure out what you meant, then I realized you were talking about PvP. Well, there's something original and thought provoking...and also completely out of nowhere. I'd keep going, but I'm not clear on how to search for topics farther back than that via your Dfans profile. Though, I think the point is proven.

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Clueless people and their jaelousy...

Exactly what do I have to be jealous of? Someone who pays EXTRA money, uses extra hardware resources, and takes the time downloading software so they can get bored faster of a game they paid for four times?

Oh yeah...that's a train I want get on...good call, ;-)

I don't exactly know why, but when I see people only care about the price of items it kind of makes my head explode. Hopefully loot 2.0 fixes this.

Becuase it creates the same situation that people complain about with regarding Spirit Walk, Smoke Screen, Serenity, etc.

Many WDs, for example, already feel that, of their 6 skill selections, Spirit Walk is already made for them because of its relative power as it pertains to survivability/utility.

In D2 we didn't farm elites, so if you didn't have a way to counter immunities you weren't completely up shit's creek even though the idea that you require a certain item or spell to kill a monster COMPLETELY violates the idea of a hack-and-slash ARPG. In D3, because our toons have to be able to handle everything that comes our way, all you'd be doing is creating another "you have a choice that's already been made for you" scenario.

The only thing immunities would accomplish is forcing people to take multiple damage sources or forcing people to take whatever ability would hard-counter an immunity or carry around an item that they wouldn't use for any reason other than to beat monsters with an immunity. You really think THAT is good gameplay? It sounds like everything they've strived to eliminate with D3 - gear swapping, mandatory skills, etc.

I'm all for more mechanics. What I'm against are mechanics that make you unable to succeed unless you have specific items/skills. As it stands, if you're a WD and you don't take Spirit Walk, you can still succeed. You may have more trouble against certain affix combos, but you're not dead in the water before you start.

Immunities make it such that unless you have specific items or specific skills you simply cannot win. That's why immunities are bad. They don't make things more difficult. They simply check "do you have X, Y, or Z... if yes, then proceed, if no then too bad." Nothing else in the game functions that way and there's no reason to add something so binary to the game. There are no other affixes that require you to have any spell on your bars or any item in your inventory.

Immunities serve only to pidgeon-hole people into builds, to force them to carry around items they otherwise wouldn't use, etc. It's not creative, it's lazy. There's a reason they didn't carry them over from D2.

I'd love to see more affixes on elites. But immunities are the complete wrong way to go on that front. There are plenty of other suggestions in this thread alone which would provide a more-dynamic experience without fucking people over with immunities. Several of them, like Fire Chains, involve altering how the monsters behave.

But this is getting long. Bottom line is that this is your suggestion for why something should be added to the game. It's not my burden to prove that immunities suck, it's your burden to prove that immunities bring something interesting and positive to the game... so why don't you give it a whirl... what actual good would come from throwing immunities into D3?

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Except you would need further details to justify your opposing thought. You're essentially saying there's a curve in the road up ahead that nobody has travelled yet, meanwhile the previous 1000 miles were straight.

No, that's actually NOT what he's saying.

He's saying, that MATHEMATICALLY, if you extend the current paragon curve out to 500, 750, 1000 it starts spitting out numbers that are completely unable to be grinded, even by robots, even if they multiplied the XP on monsters by 100. You end up needing 1.51 QUADRILLION XP to get from 1 to 500 if you simply extend the curve.

Do you have any idea how long it would take a 24/7/365 bot to grind that? Even if you gave credit for 11 billion XP for 1-100 ten times over (110 billion XP) that wouldn't even make a dent in it. It would be like spitting into the ocean.

Logic dictates that the current curve cannot simply be extended because it produces numbers that are wildly unattainable even around pLvl 300-350. And we have a reasonable guess that there will be approximately 800 paragon points that can be spent and then after that it's just ePeen. If getting to 350 is mathematically unlikely that kinda makes the whole system a bit stupid.

It has nothing to do with being guilty until proven innocent. We can extrapolate based on current circumstances to understand exactly how it will play out. And when you do that you find things that just don't pass the "smell test."