Call me when you try it and find out that you're wrong.Quote from Autocthon
You obviously don't know how skill damage bonuses work. +100% skill damage is a x2 multiplier.Quote from Laokin
Since when is DOUBLING your attack speed QUADRUPLING your damage?Quote from Autocthon
Roland's total DPS bonus is so much better than Akkan's it's not evena contest. The reaosn Roland's is bad is because it requires using a build that is melee, not because the DPS bonus isn't competitive.Quote from Laokin
Keep in mind too, that Roland's is NEW, it was intended to compete with AK's, but it just can't, because they fail to see the damage + toughness explosion you get from 100% uptime in Champion, that in order to compete, they'd have to bump rolands down to 4 pc, redesign invoker to give you crazy toughness, and add 10% damage to each of those sets. That's the only way it could compete.
Roland's provides quadruple DPS with Shield Bash or Sweep. Roland's would be plenty competitive if melee wasn't suicide after rift level 31.
The 100% on shield bash does not DOUBLE shield bash, it's additive. Shield bash does 700% +300% your block chance. Rolands makes it do 800% + 300% your block chance, and doubles your attack speed, so it gives you double damage +100 weapon damage. Also the 100% damage bonus on sweep attack does not enhance the damage of shield bash, so it's not 200% multiplicative damage + Double attack speed. It's 100% additive damage + double attack speed, which pretty much enhances your damage by ONE THIRD, instead of 400% which is quadruple.
1/3rd is 33%, Akarat's Champion gives you 20%, having Perma Champion gives you 20% damage all the time [13% less than rolands] but gives you UNLIMITED resource, and frees up a skill slot on your bar since you don't need a generator. Running around with a 3900 dps Fate of the Fell, with a 20% permanent damage bonus and a 20% virtually permanent damage bonus from shield glare [since you have 55.8% CDR it's up all the time + a hellfire with towering shield, it's 100% uptime] FAR EXCEEDS that 13% extra damage while you have resource. Lets not forget that running around in Ak's lets you have perma prophet, which gives you around 30 million toughness ALL THE TIME AND also brings you back from the dead once every 30 seconds.
Akhans = 20+20=40 100% up time, Rolands = 33+20=53 25% uptime. The 40 is ALL THE TIME, the 53 is just when you have an enemy under shield glare and have all 5 stacks on the bash.
Roland's can't even come close to the DPS output, the only time it did, was when the Attack Speed was bugged on Heart Slaughter in PTR, which allowed rolands to ramp up to 9 attacks per second with that slow ass 2 hander. They fixed that before they launched the game. When you look on the Grift leaderboards and see the top 3 saders wearing Roland's, they are just HIDING their gear, they aren't using Roland's. Nobody is, because it sucks.
Rolands would be amazing with IAS everywhere, if you had a 3.0 attackspeed before Roland's doubled it, you'd be sitting pretty, the problem is, you can't have good damage with attack speed on gear, and all the fast one handers have broken low damage.
Now, If you're attacks per second were 6.0, i'd concede you'd need less damage to advance, because you're hitting way more often, so on hit procs would be better, but in order to have any kind of toughness with rolands, you need to have around 50k LoH, and you can't use Laws of Valor - Invincible to do it, since you need to use Unstoppable force so you don't run out of wrath.
So the problem with rolands is, you need to have IAS/Crit Chance/Crit Damage/Mainstat/Cooldown Reduction/50k LoH and you still need to somehow cram in toughness stats and 3 sockets on your jewelry. It requires WAY too many stats to even match AK's damage from Akhan's set + FoTF, and when I say way too many, what I mean to say is -- It's UNOBTAINABLE. There is currently 0 way to make it work.
I'm currently sitting on 2 entire sets of Rolands with a pretty beast heart slaughter and a perfect Piru Mirella and it can't even come close to matching the damage of me running around in Champion with 6 seconds down time using LIGHTNING Fist of the Heavens - Fissure. Not even CLOSE, and the damage I do with this funky off build is enough to steam roll T6 like it's normal mode, and this is just a FRACTION of the damage that I could do if I min/maxed towards Holy Shotgun. [Which I'm doing, I have a 3900 DPS FotF/Hellskull, ready to go -- I just need to hit the break point on CDR so I don't run out of wrath.]
Roland's DPS output can't even come within 30% of the damage output, let alone "Quadruple." You don't understand the game,and have NO idea what you're talking about. Which is EXACTLY the case with everyone saying M6 is "Fine."
You're all NOOBS.
Double attack speed.
4x total DPS.
When you get 15% to "x" skill, you aren't taking the skills damage and multiplying it by that percentage, you are enhancing the skills percentage by THAT percent.
So again, Shield bash does 700%, adding 100 more makes it 800%, not 1400%. I have it, it SUCKS. It doesn't even come close to the Damage output of Infinite Champion + Shotgun with Infinite resource. It's.not.even.close. My crits with Fist of the Heavens are 15 million, switching to a better damage 2 hander over my ONE HAND DARKLIGHT AND stacking physical, my crits on a skill with a HIGHER base damage were LOWER because AC wasn't on.
Shield Bash was critting for 8 million with a 39% physical damage heart slaugher with 3508 dps, with 20% physical bracers, critting for LESS than 2.1k DPS darklight and 20% lightning damage, because of Champion.
And double a SHIT attack speed is STILL a shit attack speed.
Now show me a Rolands build that's using a 3993 DPS Fate of the Fell. You can't compete, I'm getting more DPS out of my weapon then you are gaining with 100% attack speed.
I have the entire set twice over, nearly 3 times over and some pieces 5 times over. I have Ak's too. I compared them.
I have a heartslaughter with 3500 damage and 29% physical. Rolands sucks.