I´m at work now so I couldn´t really use anything but printscreen->paint, but it´ll have to do
There may be better US sites and there may be parts that are more "bang for the buck", but this is a decent computer. I just realized I forgot dvd player, but I guess that´s only about 20 bucks. As far as I know, ordering from this site means you´d have to build it yourself though, which isn´t really that hard at all, I´m just giving you a heads up. But as I said before, I´m sure there are US sites where you can order it fully assembled and still pick out all the parts if you don´t feel comfortable building it yourself.
Alright everyone! I have a computer in my sights that looks promising to me! You all have been a huge help so far, so I figured I would share the specs of this Desktop so you can be the judge!
Processor: AMD A4-3400 APU (2x 2.70GHz/1MB L2 Cache) RAM: 4GB A-DATA Gaming Series Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GT 630 - 1GB Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-A75M-UD2H-- it says it includes --Dual Channel DDR3, S-ATA RAID, USB 2.0, Gb LAN, PCI-E 2.0 x16 Power Supply: 450 Watt Hard Drive: 1TB -- 32M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s
It also comes with Liquid Cooling, Windows 7, and 3D Premium Surround Sound.
The Price of this machine is $709.00 that's WITHOUT shipping. Comes with a 3 year warranty and ships out in 5~10 business days.
WITH shipping it goes all the way up to $784.00 it is a $75.00 shipping fee (bogus!)
Will this computer fulfill my needs? I would just love to play Diablo 3 Lag free.
I can't thank you guys enough for helping me with this. Like I said I am not the most knowledgeable person with computers and the parts needed to run specific games. Plus you all have been so nice with your responses! Thank you so much!
I can´t really say whether it´s cheap or not since I don´t know your prices in the US, but at first glance it doesn´t look that cheap tbh. The CPU is so outdated I´m surprised that it´s even possible to still buy it new. Eitherway it´s completely unreasonable for that processor to cost a dime more than $40. I honestly don´t really know AMD platforms since I never buy or build anything but intel, but the motherboard should be pretty outdated as well since the processor is so bad. The RAM is also the cheapest on the market pretty much, I reckon it should cost about $30-$40. 450 watt for the power supply is sufficient for that rig, however unless it´s a brand name like corsair, antec etc. with an 80+ stamp, you´re not gonna be able to add any more harddrives if you´re thinking of doing that. The harddrive you´ve chosen on the other hand seems fine even though I can´t see the brand, 7200 rpm is almost a must for a system drive.
The rig will allow you to play d3 lag free, however imho it is not a good buy. I´m all for budget gaming rigs, but this is way too budget even for my taste. My computer which is over 3 years old and was kind of a budget rig at the time, is still better than this. I only know of good swedish sites for putting together your own computer, so sadly I can´t really help you there, but I´m sure some american here know of any equivilant site in the US. If you feel you can´t or don´t want to build your own computer, I´m sure there´s a site that offers customized builds and assembly. You should be able to get more for your money than this in the US.
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This is from a random US site I just googled and I put together a way better computer for $800 including shipping. I´m not sure about the GPU, I didnt really take alot of time putting this together, it was just to show that you can get a way better rig for your money.
A decent quad core intel CPU(instead of really crappy dual core AMD), mobo with sata 6 and USB 3 (which yours didn´t have), double the RAM, better GPU, better PSU. In short: better everything. You could also save money using your current computer case, PSU and harddrive if you want.
Thank you everyone who has posted responses to this it's been helpful.
Sorry that I haven't posted back, had to work out of town today.
Anyways! My budget is around 600 - 750 dollars.
Thank you all so much. I've learned that I need a better Graphics card, and my Board is outdated. As far as I know my RAM isn't an issue. I'm only using about 1.2 of it when I play D3. Perhaps having more would make it run smoother I'm not sure....
If you replace your motherboard you must replace the RAM as well as the CPU, because they won´t be compatible with the new mobo. Anyway, as has already been stated, RAM is dirt cheap, especially if you´re only getting 4 or 8 GB. I don´t know american prices at all, but 600-750 dollars sounds like a pretty slim budget and the only thing you really could save money on would be the GPU. I guess you could be able to get below $750 that way and still have a decent gaming rig.
For a new rig I agree with pretty much everything you´re saying except the GPU. I m o it´s better to go for a cheaper one and switch it out after a couple of years, that way you will have good performance longer for about the same money. But that´s personal preference as well, however I don´t feel like OP really cares if he plays on high or ultra the first 1½ years, which is pretty much how long a GPU stay top-of-the-line.
I feel that liquid CPU cooler is a bit over the top for a completely standard rig. Even the stock cooler doesn´t make alot of noise unless you´re constantly on full load or in a very hot room. I m o unnecessary money that could be spent on something else.
Computers are obviously alot cheaper in the US than here (Sweden) if the price range you´re suggesting is correct. Your rig would cost roughly 1400-1500 dollars here, not taking into account a SSD (which is crazy good btw)
half could probably do it but then you will end up
buy new equipment again within a few years again
better to buy something decent now
and I work with the repair of computer. so I know what I'm talking about
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You work with computer repairment and you think that a 800W PSU is needed for that rig? You could easily run Radeon HD 7950 crossfire with that PSU... No need to spend twice as much on PSU than is actually needed.
I do however agree that it´s better to buy a "decent" computer, but a HD 7950 is pretty expensive. It´s way better to buy a card half that price and upgrade after 2-3 years, unless you absolutely "have to" play BF 3 on ultra for instance. Though nothing of this is actually needed for OP to do what he wants, i.e. play diablo 3 without lag.
you ned a minimum of 4 GB of RAM DDR 3
Grafik RADEON HD 7950 is a godt kardt
CPU a intel i5 or a i7
psu 800w
this i a godt pc
You don´t need anywhere near that spec to be able to play d3 on highest graphics. Dual core is fine, absolutely no need for i5 or i7. 800W psu is a complete joke with that rig, it´s about double what it actually needs. If you don´t know computers or requirements at all it seems pretty useless to post in this thread...
@OP: Your CPU is probably not an issue. The RAM probably works out if running on win7 and have no other programs running while playing. Your graphics card is most likely the biggest culprit here anyway since it´s really outdated. However seeing as your rig in general is pretty old, I would just buy a completely new rig instead of just trying to upgrade it. Your motherboard has an older socket and it´s hard to find any reasonable upgrades for cpu and ram in the future
This has been bugging me like crazy, 3 filters isn´t nearly enough when searching for items. 4 is the absolute minimum i m o, 5 would be optimal. Also while we´re at it, who came up with the brilliant idea to be able to sort items after armor and buyout ONLY? I want to sort items after "time left", "dex" or whatever I´m specifically looking for at that moment. It´s completely senseless having to sift through a shitload of auctions when you could´ve easily gotten rid of 95% of them with a decent search engine.
And no, I usually do not farm act 3 because I don´t see the point in terms of items per hour compared to act 1 and 2. I just can´t farm act 3 fast enough for it to be worthwhile i m o.
While Act3 is significantly slower than Act1 or 2, the quality of items dropping there is a lot better. I have only mere 90 MF on my gear but I see significantly large amount of lvl62 and 63 drops in A3. When I was farming A1 at my usual rate of 3-4 full clears a day, I could easily finish the day with just 1 or 2 lvl63 drops. I usually end up with the same amount of high level drops per town visit, e.i. when my inventory is full. Just yesterday, full clear from Siegebreaker (and all surrounding areas) to Azmodan, I have received 10 lvl63 weapons. I only recall finding 2 lvl63 weapons since patch 1.0.3 went alive.
MF gear have absolutely no influence on item lvl if that´s what you´re referring to, but that however does not change your point. Yes you get significantly more ilvl 62 and 63 in act 3 compare to 1 and 2. However the only thing that matters is how fast you can clear a run compared to drop chance of 62 and 63. The drop chance for 62 and 63 is about twice as high in act 3 compared to act 1 and I clear my act 1 run f more than twice as fast as an act 3 run. In the case of act 2 vs. 3, the difference is only 50% more for act 3. It also takes me more than 50% extra time to clear a run in 3 compared to 2. And this is not even taking in to account that there are alot of sellworthy ilvl 61 items. If we also count them, the difference in terms of money per hour is even bigger for me.
For someone better geared than me, or alot better player, it may be worth farming act 3.But as far as I can see, it´s just not worth it for me, other than the occasional run so I won´t get bored by doing the same thing over and over.
I m o you need to switch out either shadow power or spike trap for preparation. You have absolutely no need for both SS and Shadow power when you have no disc to use them. Personally I always run with both shadow power and SS when playing with my barb friend since reflect packs are a pain in the ass without shadow power. I also have +max disc on both quiver and cloak giving me a total of 49 disc. That means if you´re not SSing like crazy you pretty much have 4 SS instead of the usual 2 and twice that with prep, This to me is worth more than a couple thousand more dps. Vault is not necessarily needed at all. For teleport mobs, they often start their animation more or less instantly after teleporting, so vault will not save you while SS will. Tactical advantage is more than enough to gain distance without the use of vault i m o. Mortars can be a bitch, but I find it easier to be close enough to the mobs where I can see them do the mortar. If they do them offscreen you won´t be able to see them until they´re already on their way down and they fall so fast that it´s very hard to hit SS before the first one lands. Standing so close that they can´t even mortar you is also an option while playing with a tank and just hit shadow power or SS as soon as they´re about to hit you.
Are you joking or you don't farm act 3 but teorycraft here. How you stand close to missle creatures ??? And why you all are so scared about mortar ? Vault help you to avoid mortar and you will recive mortar if you goes static in the battle Vault is not to survive against mortar but avoid it you can do like this 2 shot vault, 2 shots vault and with prep and acrobacy rune you can handle this 20 times. I don't know how you play Act 3 without Vault or 4 pieces Nataliya. I don't know how you deal when you enter tower of damned and there is elite pack when you have no place of kite how you kite there without Vault and how you kite elite pack with fast prefix. Also without vault you can't get range this simple mean that in most of the time your steady aim do not work why you pick it then only for DPS show off ? If you don't pick Vault this mean that you are Wizard without teleport ....
Getting close to mortars work if they are generally melee if you try this against shamans or something other missle I don't get it how you dodge their normal attack ? Mortart is easy affix you just need to run all the time shoot and run shoot and run but affixes as Fast, Teleporter, depend on the place arcain, waller are thoose that make you die.
And last about mortar you can hear it way before you see it just play with sound and when you here it launching just change your possition.
You pretty much misunderstood my entire post. OP is playing with his barb friend and I was giving him advice based on that. I also did not state that there even is a single tactic that works against all kinds of mobs, because that would be stupid. Standing close to mortar affix works most of the time when playing with tank. Against ranged mobs this would normally be a bad idea, didn´t think I would have to state the obvious. When playing single player, standing close to them in act 3 is harder than just trying to keep them at bay and dodging i m o.
I´m not that scared of mortar, OP wanted advice and I gave it based on his comments. I don´t need to use vault to avoid mortars, but you could of course. If I make a mistake kiting against mortar I just smokescreen. Fast affix is a pain, no doubt about that and sometimes I run out of disc playing on my own. However using vault would mean that I have to switch out something and by doing that making some other affix a pain instead. For instance losing shadow power would make reflect mobs alot tougher. I always run with either caltrops or frost arrow for a little help in slowing down fast affix mobs for 1-2 extra shots (and of course for the 15% increased damage with cull of the weak).
For your information I mostly don´t use steady aim while playing act 3, I use cull of the weak, tactical advantage and archery. I never claimed I´m using steady aim. However in coop with a tank I switch tactical advantage out for steady aim most of the time.
And no, I usually do not farm act 3 because I don´t see the point in terms of items per hour compared to act 1 and 2. I just can´t farm act 3 fast enough for it to be worthwhile i m o.
That's a pretty good idea to stand close, I just need to becareful of the plague/arcane/molten I guess. I'll switch night stalker to Tactical Advantage and see how that goes for me and switch spike traps for preperation.
Yeah, against plauged, molten and arcane it´s pretty hard to be able to stand that close, but it works against most affixes.
Shadow power: Gloom > Smoke Screen, it's more Discipline efficient, especially if you have atleast 3k armor, 250 all res, and 35+k hp.
The trick with Mortar I find the easiest, is to watch the enemies...and i know this sounds crazy ..RUN TOWARDS THEM when they begin casting it, Mortar tends to do a pattern of left to right and back a bit (Like a d shape where you are standing on the | part of the d), running ~15 yards in, and then moving 15 yards back out 2 seconds later, means I only get hit by mortar when I'm not watching them.
Or you can just kite normally with stutter stepping, shoot run hold shift and shoot, run > release mouse > aim where you want to shoot, hold shift and left click > click away to run > repeat. If you've got pro SC2 Micro skills you can just hold the left down and aim and press shift to shoot, whichever works for you.
It is more discipline efficient for sure, at least against certain affixes. Against nightmarish, knockback and similar incapacitating mobs it´s however almost useless for facetanking. Also if you´re running with steady aim, which most DHs are, you´re losing 20% damage while facetanking with shadow power. So sometimes shadow power is more effecient, but not always.
For the record, I also find it alot easier to avoid mortars by running towards the mobs. That however pretty much only works when cooping with a tank, or playing around in act 1.
I m o you need to switch out either shadow power or spike trap for preparation. You have absolutely no need for both SS and Shadow power when you have no disc to use them. Personally I always run with both shadow power and SS when playing with my barb friend since reflect packs are a pain in the ass without shadow power. I also have +max disc on both quiver and cloak giving me a total of 49 disc. That means if you´re not SSing like crazy you pretty much have 4 SS instead of the usual 2 and twice that with prep, This to me is worth more than a couple thousand more dps.
Vault is not necessarily needed at all. For teleport mobs, they often start their animation more or less instantly after teleporting, so vault will not save you while SS will. Tactical advantage is more than enough to gain distance without the use of vault i m o.
Mortars can be a bitch, but I find it easier to be close enough to the mobs where I can see them do the mortar. If they do them offscreen you won´t be able to see them until they´re already on their way down and they fall so fast that it´s very hard to hit SS before the first one lands. Standing so close that they can´t even mortar you is also an option while playing with a tank and just hit shadow power or SS as soon as they´re about to hit you.
Yeah. This is an inefficient waste of time; since you aren't stacking NV.
Um...wow. Yeah, the video is a waste of time if you just kill, quit and redo. However. combined with the other "definite" spawn points you can easily acquire the five stacks without looking for elites and then the real hunt starts.
Spots I know that are 100% guaranteed are the two in festering woods and the one outside Leoric's Mansion.
Then there's the champ in the graveyard, I find he only spawns about 80% of the time, but still good enough to go check.
That's, if you're lucky with the last one, 4 stacks already.
The last one can easily be found by zooming through one of the defiled crypts in the graveyard, there's usually up to 3 champs/elites in one area.
On an interesting side note, I did the watchtower level 2 the other day and found about 8 elites/champ packs in there. It was pretty awesome, haven't done testing to see whether this is a high possibility and haven't even bothered googling it.
I can assure you that the elite pack in the graveyard does not spawn anywhere close to 80% of the time. In all the runs I´ve done (which is probably 40-50) that pack has spawned an absolute maximum of 50% of the time. I still go there though, as well as to the watchtower. But the watchtower must´ve been nerfed as well becuase in the last 15-20 runs the average amount of elite packs in there have been about halved. It may just be bad luck on my side, but I sincerely doubt it. I´ve had alot of runs where there have been only 1 elite pack in the tower and at least 2 where there have been none at all.
For someone that isn´t too concerned about their discipline pool it might be worth 30-50k, something like that. Pretty standard dex, low attack speed and so-so crit chance. Me personally wouldn´t take a second look at a quiver unless it has at least +8 max disc.
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There may be better US sites and there may be parts that are more "bang for the buck", but this is a decent computer. I just realized I forgot dvd player, but I guess that´s only about 20 bucks. As far as I know, ordering from this site means you´d have to build it yourself though, which isn´t really that hard at all, I´m just giving you a heads up. But as I said before, I´m sure there are US sites where you can order it fully assembled and still pick out all the parts if you don´t feel comfortable building it yourself.
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I can´t really say whether it´s cheap or not since I don´t know your prices in the US, but at first glance it doesn´t look that cheap tbh. The CPU is so outdated I´m surprised that it´s even possible to still buy it new. Eitherway it´s completely unreasonable for that processor to cost a dime more than $40. I honestly don´t really know AMD platforms since I never buy or build anything but intel, but the motherboard should be pretty outdated as well since the processor is so bad. The RAM is also the cheapest on the market pretty much, I reckon it should cost about $30-$40. 450 watt for the power supply is sufficient for that rig, however unless it´s a brand name like corsair, antec etc. with an 80+ stamp, you´re not gonna be able to add any more harddrives if you´re thinking of doing that. The harddrive you´ve chosen on the other hand seems fine even though I can´t see the brand, 7200 rpm is almost a must for a system drive.
The rig will allow you to play d3 lag free, however imho it is not a good buy. I´m all for budget gaming rigs, but this is way too budget even for my taste. My computer which is over 3 years old and was kind of a budget rig at the time, is still better than this. I only know of good swedish sites for putting together your own computer, so sadly I can´t really help you there, but I´m sure some american here know of any equivilant site in the US. If you feel you can´t or don´t want to build your own computer, I´m sure there´s a site that offers customized builds and assembly. You should be able to get more for your money than this in the US.
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This is from a random US site I just googled and I put together a way better computer for $800 including shipping. I´m not sure about the GPU, I didnt really take alot of time putting this together, it was just to show that you can get a way better rig for your money.
A decent quad core intel CPU(instead of really crappy dual core AMD), mobo with sata 6 and USB 3 (which yours didn´t have), double the RAM, better GPU, better PSU. In short: better everything. You could also save money using your current computer case, PSU and harddrive if you want.
http://www.tigerdire...hoppingCart.asp
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If you replace your motherboard you must replace the RAM as well as the CPU, because they won´t be compatible with the new mobo. Anyway, as has already been stated, RAM is dirt cheap, especially if you´re only getting 4 or 8 GB. I don´t know american prices at all, but 600-750 dollars sounds like a pretty slim budget and the only thing you really could save money on would be the GPU. I guess you could be able to get below $750 that way and still have a decent gaming rig.
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For a new rig I agree with pretty much everything you´re saying except the GPU. I m o it´s better to go for a cheaper one and switch it out after a couple of years, that way you will have good performance longer for about the same money. But that´s personal preference as well, however I don´t feel like OP really cares if he plays on high or ultra the first 1½ years, which is pretty much how long a GPU stay top-of-the-line.
I feel that liquid CPU cooler is a bit over the top for a completely standard rig. Even the stock cooler doesn´t make alot of noise unless you´re constantly on full load or in a very hot room. I m o unnecessary money that could be spent on something else.
Computers are obviously alot cheaper in the US than here (Sweden) if the price range you´re suggesting is correct. Your rig would cost roughly 1400-1500 dollars here, not taking into account a SSD (which is crazy good btw)
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You work with computer repairment and you think that a 800W PSU is needed for that rig? You could easily run Radeon HD 7950 crossfire with that PSU... No need to spend twice as much on PSU than is actually needed.
I do however agree that it´s better to buy a "decent" computer, but a HD 7950 is pretty expensive. It´s way better to buy a card half that price and upgrade after 2-3 years, unless you absolutely "have to" play BF 3 on ultra for instance. Though nothing of this is actually needed for OP to do what he wants, i.e. play diablo 3 without lag.
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You don´t need anywhere near that spec to be able to play d3 on highest graphics. Dual core is fine, absolutely no need for i5 or i7. 800W psu is a complete joke with that rig, it´s about double what it actually needs. If you don´t know computers or requirements at all it seems pretty useless to post in this thread...
@OP: Your CPU is probably not an issue. The RAM probably works out if running on win7 and have no other programs running while playing. Your graphics card is most likely the biggest culprit here anyway since it´s really outdated. However seeing as your rig in general is pretty old, I would just buy a completely new rig instead of just trying to upgrade it. Your motherboard has an older socket and it´s hard to find any reasonable upgrades for cpu and ram in the future
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MF gear have absolutely no influence on item lvl if that´s what you´re referring to, but that however does not change your point. Yes you get significantly more ilvl 62 and 63 in act 3 compare to 1 and 2. However the only thing that matters is how fast you can clear a run compared to drop chance of 62 and 63. The drop chance for 62 and 63 is about twice as high in act 3 compared to act 1 and I clear my act 1 run f more than twice as fast as an act 3 run. In the case of act 2 vs. 3, the difference is only 50% more for act 3. It also takes me more than 50% extra time to clear a run in 3 compared to 2. And this is not even taking in to account that there are alot of sellworthy ilvl 61 items. If we also count them, the difference in terms of money per hour is even bigger for me.
For someone better geared than me, or alot better player, it may be worth farming act 3.But as far as I can see, it´s just not worth it for me, other than the occasional run so I won´t get bored by doing the same thing over and over.
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You pretty much misunderstood my entire post. OP is playing with his barb friend and I was giving him advice based on that. I also did not state that there even is a single tactic that works against all kinds of mobs, because that would be stupid. Standing close to mortar affix works most of the time when playing with tank. Against ranged mobs this would normally be a bad idea, didn´t think I would have to state the obvious. When playing single player, standing close to them in act 3 is harder than just trying to keep them at bay and dodging i m o.
I´m not that scared of mortar, OP wanted advice and I gave it based on his comments. I don´t need to use vault to avoid mortars, but you could of course. If I make a mistake kiting against mortar I just smokescreen. Fast affix is a pain, no doubt about that and sometimes I run out of disc playing on my own. However using vault would mean that I have to switch out something and by doing that making some other affix a pain instead. For instance losing shadow power would make reflect mobs alot tougher. I always run with either caltrops or frost arrow for a little help in slowing down fast affix mobs for 1-2 extra shots (and of course for the 15% increased damage with cull of the weak).
For your information I mostly don´t use steady aim while playing act 3, I use cull of the weak, tactical advantage and archery. I never claimed I´m using steady aim. However in coop with a tank I switch tactical advantage out for steady aim most of the time.
And no, I usually do not farm act 3 because I don´t see the point in terms of items per hour compared to act 1 and 2. I just can´t farm act 3 fast enough for it to be worthwhile i m o.
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Yeah, against plauged, molten and arcane it´s pretty hard to be able to stand that close, but it works against most affixes.
It is more discipline efficient for sure, at least against certain affixes. Against nightmarish, knockback and similar incapacitating mobs it´s however almost useless for facetanking. Also if you´re running with steady aim, which most DHs are, you´re losing 20% damage while facetanking with shadow power. So sometimes shadow power is more effecient, but not always.
For the record, I also find it alot easier to avoid mortars by running towards the mobs. That however pretty much only works when cooping with a tank, or playing around in act 1.
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Vault is not necessarily needed at all. For teleport mobs, they often start their animation more or less instantly after teleporting, so vault will not save you while SS will. Tactical advantage is more than enough to gain distance without the use of vault i m o.
Mortars can be a bitch, but I find it easier to be close enough to the mobs where I can see them do the mortar. If they do them offscreen you won´t be able to see them until they´re already on their way down and they fall so fast that it´s very hard to hit SS before the first one lands. Standing so close that they can´t even mortar you is also an option while playing with a tank and just hit shadow power or SS as soon as they´re about to hit you.
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I can assure you that the elite pack in the graveyard does not spawn anywhere close to 80% of the time. In all the runs I´ve done (which is probably 40-50) that pack has spawned an absolute maximum of 50% of the time. I still go there though, as well as to the watchtower. But the watchtower must´ve been nerfed as well becuase in the last 15-20 runs the average amount of elite packs in there have been about halved. It may just be bad luck on my side, but I sincerely doubt it. I´ve had alot of runs where there have been only 1 elite pack in the tower and at least 2 where there have been none at all.
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