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Old but still applicable. I will just leave this here:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/

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They did it with the MF change - So i fail to see why they couldn't do it with this patch?

What they did with MF was outline their concerns and some of the possiblities they were thinking about specifically to get user feedback. Since then, they've been as quiet as ever. In the case of legendaries and class skills, they obviously believe they've had enough user feedback without having to explicitly ask for more.

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And Blizzard really don't.. care.. about the AH. They don't want to do anything about it - They time upon time said they do not wish to go in and control the economy. So why would they try to indirectly impact it?

They care about the AH, otherwise they wouldn't have put it in, and wouldn't be improving it. What they don't care about is things like trying to control what people charge and what they pay. They still have a duty to act responsibly when it comes to market volatility, and try to smooth out potentially large shifts in item value.

Enough feedback to justify a complete silence and enough reasoning to only hint vaguely at coming things? Does not seem reasonable to me - Especially as big as a company as Blizzard. To simply have them go dead-silent without any concrete appeal apart from this.. armory feature.. Then something is strange.

As for if they care for AH - I still state that they do not care for it. They do not wish to interfere with any of the economy - There of they cannot care for it. They even went so far that you can buy gold for real money. That is pay to win incarnate, as if the normal RMAH was not enough. So i fail to see how they hold any responsibility for what is happening there - Without any regulation, with inflation going to hell and the only economical change so far has been a SIDE-EFFECT from repairs against zerging - Which is a small goldsink for people who were already poor, got poorer - while the rich stayed rich.

It may be time for you to take a break and step away for a while. Several people have already pointed out that the "problems" you are continuing to bring up are completely self imposed. You have set up your own unique expectations about all of these situations and when your expectations are not met, it becomes a problem. If I expect to hit every green light on my way home from work tonight and then hit a bunch of red lights that does not mean there is a problem with the design of the traffic lights.

At the end of the day it is so amazingly inconsequential as to when Blizzard decides to talk about the changes. I know, we all want to see the dev blogs . There is no universally accepted time frame that Blizzard has to abide by. They don't even have to do a preview at all. As far as the teaser image for the web/api stuff that makes complete sense, since it's probably the next thing on their list to actually release. There is nothing strange about the lack of new information though.

As far as the AH topic, that is a pretty dead and bloody horse at this point. We can keep going in circles but what's the point? You feel the way you feel and I am certainly not going to try and change your mind. I don't teach pigs to sing.

It's all about forum culture and it seems that on the various Curse sites the flaming, aggressive arguments, and trolling are expected and possibly even encouraged to some degree. There are several other high user forums on the internet that do not have this issue but it's a combination of culture and some pretty dedicated moderation staff. Not digging the mods here but if you want to drive behavior you have to show people consequences for actions. It's basic human behavior.

I will reference PA because I like it, and it's one of the best run forums on the net. Several years ago it was starting to fall apart and they instituted a simple and honestly silly global rule. They called it the Glorious Edict. The only tolerated "insult" was to call someone a Silly Goose. If you said anything else there were consequences, jail and up to banning. I know it sounds stupid but it worked. They also run a pretty tight ship across the board. Want some ideas, look here http://bit.ly/LNeQVJ.

Again, my intent is not to rip on the staff or the culture here. I like it here, but I think there are some things that could improve and would make it better. Hopefully things will change because as was already said the tone around here is degrading into official forums territory pretty quickly.

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I just don't understand why they can't get a game out there that is almost right, from the start. They make you wait so long (Soon) because they want the game to be right and they spend the first year apologizing and fixing the game. Its sad

"Almost right" is such a vague moving target. Furthermore it's a matter of personal opinion. Lots of people, more than we know honestly, are perfectly happy with D3. I am one of them. Sure I see areas where it could be improved but I don't honestly care and at whatever point it's not fun anymore I will just stop playing.

I could be wrong but I don't think anyone on the development team including the devil himself, Jay Wilson, (sarcasm by the way) released Diablo III and thought it was a steaming pile of shit. They released a game that they honestly thought was "almost right".

The only way to "predict", for lack of a better word, a response from the playerbase would have been to make a clone of Diablo 2 but even then you are making assumptions about the players and we all know what happens when you make an assumption. Believe it or not they changed a lot during the Beta and a large percent of it was community/player driven feedback.

"Fun" is not an absolute though and to beat a dead horse game development is at the end of the day a business and the goal is to meet the needs of the largest subset of your consumers since that leads to revenue. Simply because Diablo 3 does not meet everyone's specific ideas on how the game should have been does not make it bad or a failure. The opposite also holds true.

Blizzard won't please everyone, they can't. The idea is to simply make most people happy. It sucks when you aren't one of those people but such is life.


My apologies to whoever I quoted. I saw it in a quote tree but didn't feel like going back and figuring out who said it.

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I'm in this game for the long haul and already looking forward to the expansion.

If you're already looking forward to the expansion you can't be having THAT much fun.

I guess that also means that because I immediately began to anticipate the next Avenger's movie after watching the first one I didn't really think it was THAT good. Or that last time I had a really good meal at a local restaurant and thought about what I will try next time, I obviously didn't enjoy my meal THAT much. The process of anticipating something is mutually exclusive to a persons ability to enjoy something they are doing right this moment. Right?

You're an idiot. That's all I can answer this. If you can't differentiate between a finite experience like a meal or a film, and an on-going experience like a video-game, especially one based on farming and grinding like Diablo...well, I've said it, you're an idiot.

Ah yes. The rock solid, foolproof tactic of degrading to name calling. Hate to break it to you kiddo but video games are finite experiences too. Hell, life is a finite experience. It's cool, I get it. You just like to rant for the sake of ranting. Carry on and I will go ahead and heed the beautifully ironic warning in your sig and will not continue to feed the troll.

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Everyone has a right to their opinion and honestly no one should ever have to justify it. If you like or dislike something that's basically the end of the story.

I don't know where you got this thought from - But that is probably outright a statement i would strongly disagree with. In a world where you have to explain your self, where reasoning is above the need of other things to increase your efficiency in a society driven by intellectual structure - I cannot fathom a single situation where your said statement, would EVER apply in reality - If it's in a situation of relevance.

In fact - if everyone would follow that ; we would be degraded to "I like this" "i do not like that" - leaving us to be a form of ape creatures who cannot understand themselves more then we become opinion driven slaves with no real understanding of our opinions - leaving us to be in a dangerous position of others being able to manipulate us. So, yeah. Like i said - I disagree. Strongly.

You can disagree, that doesn't bother me in the slightest bit. I think you are making assumptions about opinions that are simply untrue. Your opinion is simply a personal choice on something, right? We can agree on that. I like tuna but I don't like salmon. I like rock music but I don't like country. I like murder mystery novels but I don't like books about history. I could go on and on endlessly. What great significance does my opinion have versus yours? Why am I not entitled to simply like or dislike something? Remember opinions are not absolutes, we are not talking about truths. This is not someone saying gravity is a lie, it really is as simple as "I like this but not that".

I think I know where you are going with this but pack mentality is not going to stop simply because we make a call to arms about understand our opinions. In my experience people who question others people's opinions are motivated by insecurity and ego not genuine curiosity or desire for meaningful engagement. Does that mean that is always the case? Of course not but again that is just my experience.

I appreciate the comments , sincerely. I am always up for a good reasonable conversation and you seem both good and reasonable.


edit for clarity: I realize that fish, music and books are not on the same scope as say, a persons opinion on stem cell research. I do actually agree with you that questioning why someone feels the way they do is good. But if all you get is "because I feel that way." then that's the end of it. Trying to "convince" someone that their opinion is wrong is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of time and annoys the pig. I also am not trying to imply that your motivations for questioning someone is for the sole purpose of trying to change their mind.

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I am no longer a fan of Blizzard, since patch 1.0.3 and the rampant mistakes the patch has, over and above the "bugged" equipment stats (yeah as if that wasn't done to sway AH prices), instead of dealing with poorly timed animations causing rubberband death, laggy servers and super crappy loot drops the development team is busy banning people from the forums that disagree with the brown-nosers who are DIRECTLY insulting those of us that are frustrated. Maybe Blizzard needs a third party to come in and FIX their game for them, it's become obvious all they are concerned with is whether or not the RMAH makes $. The real reason die hard diablo fans didn't get a real diablo 3 is simple, the team that actually put it together and made it great all left when a French company took it over and changed the corporate agenda, to pure profit, no fun for you, we decide whats fun, aren't you thankful?

Wanna know whats REALLY FUNNY?

The OG Diablo team you are holding up on a pedastal?

Yeah, they were making Diablo 3 into an MMO like WoW.

Do you feel like a moron yet? Because you should.

Dude relax. By the way. They were making diablo 3 an action rpg still playing like a hack n slash but with mmo features. i'm quite sure it wouldn't be anything like WoW. More Diablo 2 LoD with more players. Actually sounds pretty darn awesome to me.

I agree, in my eyes that's the recipe for an amazing game!
And to the OP, I hear ya.
Might be worth it to check back when they add PvP, all though I don't really have high hopes for it, you never know I guess.
And for Blizzard, I really hope the Panda expansion flops. They really need to take two steps back and re-think what made them great in the first place, not how to earn a buck in the quickest way possible.
Getting extremely bored of the homogenization path they are on now.

I realize this will be an unpopular reply around these parts but such is life. Blizzard is a business and as such they are in the business to make money, not cater to the specific needs of any particular group of gamer. Smart businesses are going to create products with wide spread appeal. Gaming is different now than it was 15-20 years ago. It's more widely accepted and it simply does not make sense to make games that cater to a small audience. It's not just Activision either. Blizzard has never acted completely independently. Before they were owned by Activision they were a Vivendi company and it seems most people have forgotten Diablo 2 was launched before it was ready because Vivendi called the shots. It was not the smoothest of sailing's either but look how that turned out.

Also you don't actually want to see MoP fail. That's bad for business and bad for the industry. What you want is the "Blizzard of old" and honestly that company does not exist anymore. The industry that allowed the "old Blizzard" also does not really exist anymore. If you, or anyone for that matter, no longer agrees with how they operate then maybe it's time to move on. Show them with your wallet, since at the end of the day, that speaks the loudest. We can only blame ourselves for, as you put it, homogenization of their products. People keep buying them so they keep on developing. It speaks to the fact that the industry has changed and that developers have to change too. Gaming isn't niche anymore and while that certainly doesn't bother everyone I think it bothers a lot of people.

Anyway, I hope Blizzard is able to "salvage" this game for the people who take issue with it. I think they will and I think down the road we will see D3 develop into an amazing game. I think it's solid right now and I look forward to the iterations ahead.

edited because...well reading is difficult for some.

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Fixed that for you.

What else do you expect from someone with no rebuttal?

I had hope? I know...I know...

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Oh so many people that don't agree with me and I can't support my opinion without degrading into name calling.

Fixed that for you.

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Trombone reminds me of Anonymous in some way. What he does and says, (says mainly) is the hard truth and brings you back to reality, unfortunately like with Anonymous, both them and Trombone are understood by the very few handful, and mindlessly criticized by the sheep.

So because you find his mindset similar to yours you are declaring his opinion as "the hard truth" but people who think differently are "sheep"?

So basically you are telling me to ignore your posts. Got it. Thanks for the heads up.