I've got the inferno staff but sadly I'm a monk (aka my DPS sucks) so I was gonna see if a couple of high DPS players want to come with me to Whimsyshire,
Sure i read that a rollback will then disable rmah for future, plus you need autheticator to use rmah and sms setup on your phone/mobile to use it
You cant trasnfer funds either to a bank etc - theyre forever on your account
Lots of people with Authenticator's have already been hacked. Even Kripparrian was hacked while live streaming, and using an Authenticator. And yes, you can empty your paypal account.
The eula you signed on last patch literally states that they offer no warranty in any case.
That wasn't my question. I want to know how they handle it as I know at least 5 people who had their accounts hacked before the RMAH. In every instance Blizzard granted them a rollback, but now that the RMAH is live, I wonder if they will still be able to do this and how it is possible to keep this from being exploited?
Not really sure how it's handled, but I kind of doubt they would do anything about the transaction after it has already gone through. An item was sold for money. The account being compromised doesn't have anything to do with it. The person who actually owns the account may either be SoL or get their item back, but the transaction probably wouldn't be affected. It's not really exploitable tbh.
How is it not exploitable? I could essentially log in from a Proxy (which I've already done), change my password, and sell all of my items on the RMAH, and then claim that my account was compromised after I emptied the paypal balance into my wallet. If Blizzard simply reimburses all of my items, I just pocketed some serious cash, and effectively duped every item I own. Think about it.
The eula you signed on last patch literally states that they offer no warranty in any case.
That wasn't my question. I want to know how they handle it as I know at least 5 people who had their accounts hacked before the RMAH. In every instance Blizzard granted them a rollback, but now that the RMAH is live, I wonder if they will still be able to do this and how it is possible to keep this from being exploited?
Bottom line is: You will never be able to out farm a bot. As gold value continues to decrease it will not be long before buying gold, or spending USD on items is the only method to play this game competitively.
Bottom line is: This is not a game to play competitively. If you're banking on D3 pvp to be competitive, then you're in for a disappointment. The rest of the game is an item farming game. I'm failing to see where you feel the need to purchase these items in order to be competitive.
What I'm understanding (and I could be wrong, only human after all) is that you're getting upset because people with more disposable income are able to advance faster than you are by purchasing items with real money from other players who, after Blizz takes their cut, then get the real money you just paid...
Farm out a few items, sell them for real cash on the AH and build up an account bit by bit. There no need to spend more money. If you're impatient enough, or feel that it's such an injustice that someone else is willing to pay for something that you aren't then I don't know what to tell you...
How is this game not competitive? This is one of the most competitive games I've ever played, and the only game I've ever played where the exploits of others severely gimped the entire population. I could care less if you exploited gold in WoW, because you're still not going to buy most raid loot. However in Diablo 3, the loot is not a reward for in-game accomplishments, but rather something you have to find out of the auction house - which now requires your credit card.
Suggesting that I am upset because I don't have the income to purchase items myself is not only false, but childish. I play video games because they are fun. If I found out that someone else could get Rogue Legendaries in World of Warcraft for $250.00 I would be highly annoyed. I did not go through 3-4 months of questing and raiding to get my Legendary daggers because of their monetary value; I did it because it was a challenge and rewarding.
This is no different with Diablo 3. When I spend 300 hours playing my Monk, and my friend with less than 100 hours of time played spends $30 and now has better gear than I do, I feel like I wasted my time and that the game is no longer rewarding regardless of how much time I spend playing it. You could argue that I could just ignore item buyers, and mind my own business, but the reality is, I can no longer purchase items with gold because most of the items I search for have been moved to the RMAH, and what ever gold I can farm is worthless now that the market has been flooded by farmers.
I guess in your eyes, I should take my "disposable income," and throw it at the screen, and be done with Diablo 3 forever. I am not going to do this for the same reason I never hacked a character in Diablo 2. I like the idea of earning my status in a game, but when that same status can be purchased for pennies on the dollar, it really gives very little incentive to continue playing. I looked forward to Diablo 3 being a game I could spend years developing a character in, and believed that the time investment would feel rewarding, but I now realize that working a 4 hour shift for minimum wage would yield greater results than farming for 100 hours.
Here's a thought, sell your good items on the RMAH, use said real money to buy more items for your character on RMAH. You spend $0.00 and have 2 auction houses at your disposal. These topics are so dumb. They're keeping dupes and hacks out easier because it's online only.
/end rant
So your suggestion, now that my gold is worthless, and my ability to farm gold will never compare to these bots, is to try to sell every item I am wearing on the RMAH at a 15% loss, and then hope that I am able to turn around and buy upgrades off the RMAH at a second 15% loss? What happens when I run out of items to pawn? It's not like I can go farm gold efficiently enough to buy items with gold, and flip them on the real money auction house for an actual profit. This would be virtually impossible now that the gold market has been flooded by the farming industry.
Bottom line is: You will never be able to out farm a bot. As gold value continues to decrease it will not be long before buying gold, or spending USD on items is the only method to play this game competitively.
If you run out of items to pawn you're doing it wrong. You have an endless supply at your hands. Go farm, again, that's the whole reason to play this game. If you're not playing this game to farm the shit out of it. Then you're going to be disapointed.
As butters puts it "I like Hello Kitty Island Adventure better anyway"
Obviously you haven't seen the drop rates. How many items are you wearing that actually dropped for you in-game? If the answer is 1 or above, you clearly aren't playing a melee class. Every single item I am wearing I had to buy off of the Auction House and I have nearly 300 hours played, and over 200 of that is in Inferno alone.
For the record, I don't hate Diablo 3. I am just growing tired of all of the people saying that "Pay-to-Win" is justified because it is the only way they can afford to keep the servers up. This is complete non-sense. How did they keep the servers up for Diablo 2? How do they keep them up for Starcraft 2 as we speak?
Don't for even a second believe that the Real Money Auction House was put there for your protection, and not for Activision's own profits.
As far as having to pay-to-win in Diablo 2 goes? Going to go ahead and disagree with you. I was a teenager who didn't even have a credit card, and I easily beat Hell mode without it even occurring to me that I should be spending real-life money on virtual items.
Unlike Diablo 2, Diablo 3 is not so easily playable without the use of an Auction House. The problem is: this Auction House is now based on real-life currency. Anyone saying this isn't "pay-to-win" is in denial. I officially quit the game today after discovering that my friend who rage quit Inferno during Act 2 just now returned after a 2 week hiatus, spent $30 and he now out gears me despite me having spent a more significant amount of time playing, and even beating Inferno.
While you are right (the microtransactions probably aren't necessary) Comparing SCII to D3 belies your ignorance of the topic, as the only servers Blizzard host are ranking and matchmaking servers, and the entire demand Starcraft II puts on their hardware probably compares roughly to D3's login services alone.
There are literally dozens of games with no subscription fee whose server's store more information than Diablo 3. One of the more trendy ones at the moment would be the upcoming Guild Wars 2. If you would like I can list several free-to-play MMOs whose databases are more complex than Diablo 3. As far as Starcraft 2 being "too simple" the last time I checked Blizzard outsources their hosting and networking to AT&T who stated that they use HP Opteron-based servers for all of their games. Meaning the cost is virtually the same regardless of what you are using the server for. As evidenced by the large number of private servers for World of Warcraft, it's really not as complex as you like to believe it is.
While games with a population as massive of World of Warcraft do require more servers, and more money to run, you also have to take into account that most of these WoW players have paid $200.00 in game costs alone. 11 million subscribers? That's 11 million copies, and expansion packs sold. Subscription fees are "for profit," and always have been. Blizzard has never even denied this, and even said that they could go free-to-play if they wanted to.
Here's a thought, sell your good items on the RMAH, use said real money to buy more items for your character on RMAH. You spend $0.00 and have 2 auction houses at your disposal. These topics are so dumb. They're keeping dupes and hacks out easier because it's online only.
/end rant
So your suggestion, now that my gold is worthless, and my ability to farm gold will never compare to these bots, is to try to sell every item I am wearing on the RMAH at a 15% loss, and then hope that I am able to turn around and buy upgrades off the RMAH at a second 15% loss? What happens when I run out of items to pawn? It's not like I can go farm gold efficiently enough to buy items with gold, and flip them on the real money auction house for an actual profit. This would be virtually impossible now that the gold market has been flooded by the farming industry.
Bottom line is: You will never be able to out farm a bot. As gold value continues to decrease it will not be long before buying gold, or spending USD on items is the only method to play this game competitively.
For the record, I don't hate Diablo 3. I am just growing tired of all of the people saying that "Pay-to-Win" is justified because it is the only way they can afford to keep the servers up. This is complete non-sense. How did they keep the servers up for Diablo 2? How do they keep them up for Starcraft 2 as we speak?
Don't for even a second believe that the Real Money Auction House was put there for your protection, and not for Activision's own profits.
As far as having to pay-to-win in Diablo 2 goes? Going to go ahead and disagree with you. I was a teenager who didn't even have a credit card, and I easily beat Hell mode without it even occurring to me that I should be spending real-life money on virtual items.
Unlike Diablo 2, Diablo 3 is not so easily playable without the use of an Auction House. The problem is: this Auction House is now based on real-life currency. Anyone saying this isn't "pay-to-win" is in denial. I officially quit the game today after discovering that my friend who rage quit Inferno during Act 2 just now returned after a 2 week hiatus, spent $30 and he now out gears me despite me having spent a more significant amount of time playing, and even beating Inferno.
This makes it harder to create fake items ingame and item duping, which is the entire point of the always-online concept. It's about control and security for the playerbase. They still have to nail a few issues, but all in all, it eliminates many of the problems that were a big deal in Diablo 2. Once you've seen a guy come into a hardcore game, with a fake item that deals 3 million damage and one-shot ever player in the game, write "lol" and exit the game, your view on this matter is a bit different.
That's weird, because closed realms seemed to solve this problem fine in Diablo 2. I personally leveled my first character offline, and was completely fine with not being able to join closed realm games, and understood why I could not. If someone wants to cheat in an offline game, how does that hurt me at all?
I noticed that my computer started acting really weird right before I shut it down last night. Now it's acting even weirder when I turned it on. Took several minutes before Google Chrome would even open. When I went to play Diablo 3, I noticed that there is now two Diablo 3s. Before there was only one:
I don't know this for a fact, but I'm guessing that one of those is a key logger? The worst part is, I don't know which one is legit. The one with TM, or the one without TM?
Anyways, do you think this is some type of hack? There really wasn't two of them before, and I can't make sense of the TM versus non-TM.
tbh, if ure farming for 9-12 hours to get 1 million gold.... Then the only one doing somthing wrong here is you :S. U can make gold faster opening chests in town for gods sake, what on earth are u doing?
What are YOU doing?
Well i'm farming in act 3 doin siegebreaker runs and prob pulling in around 2mil/hour... Sometimes less sometimes more due to RNG but it evens out, ofcourse I am not a melee but theres plenty of vids out there of monks/barbs doin siege runs and no there not wearing 100 million gold worth of gear, there doing it fairly cheaply.
Good luck finding a Monk (which is what I play) who can legit farm Siegebreaker runs. I've beaten Inferno mode, but cannot legitimately "farm" Act 3 and 4. The only melees I know who got rich did so by exploits, and power to them, but I play the game the way it's intended to be played.
Farming for me involved running Act 1 over and over again with minimal gold/magic find gear because unlike ranged, I cannot sacrifice resist all on every slot. Can run an entire Act 1 and not make 300K, especially now that Act 1 items don't sell in the auction house. After about 4 Act 1 runs, you've put a big chunk of time in for a small reward.
I guess you could call this "stupid," but doing chest runs, treasure goblin runs, snagging ponies in Inferno, abusing Hell/Inferno glitch to skip to Act 4 and use Tyrael for free loots etc. isn't my idea of playing Diablo 3. These people can call themselves "good players," but in reality they are just exploiters. And no, not all of them got banned. None of my real-life friends who did said exploits got banned.
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I'm a Monk and I do this all of the time using Deadly Reach:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fy1Q4RNbJY
Of course having a ton of ranged DPS makes it faster, but it's definitely doable with Deadly Reach. Recommend getting 5 stacks of NV before you go in.
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Lots of people with Authenticator's have already been hacked. Even Kripparrian was hacked while live streaming, and using an Authenticator. And yes, you can empty your paypal account.
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How is it not exploitable? I could essentially log in from a Proxy (which I've already done), change my password, and sell all of my items on the RMAH, and then claim that my account was compromised after I emptied the paypal balance into my wallet. If Blizzard simply reimburses all of my items, I just pocketed some serious cash, and effectively duped every item I own. Think about it.
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That wasn't my question. I want to know how they handle it as I know at least 5 people who had their accounts hacked before the RMAH. In every instance Blizzard granted them a rollback, but now that the RMAH is live, I wonder if they will still be able to do this and how it is possible to keep this from being exploited?
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Will Blizzard still rollback your account?
What happens to the $250.00? IE. how does Blizzard get it back from the hacker?
If Blizzard cannot retrieve said $250.00, does the buyer lose the item and simply not get a refund, or - ?
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How is this game not competitive? This is one of the most competitive games I've ever played, and the only game I've ever played where the exploits of others severely gimped the entire population. I could care less if you exploited gold in WoW, because you're still not going to buy most raid loot. However in Diablo 3, the loot is not a reward for in-game accomplishments, but rather something you have to find out of the auction house - which now requires your credit card.
Suggesting that I am upset because I don't have the income to purchase items myself is not only false, but childish. I play video games because they are fun. If I found out that someone else could get Rogue Legendaries in World of Warcraft for $250.00 I would be highly annoyed. I did not go through 3-4 months of questing and raiding to get my Legendary daggers because of their monetary value; I did it because it was a challenge and rewarding.
This is no different with Diablo 3. When I spend 300 hours playing my Monk, and my friend with less than 100 hours of time played spends $30 and now has better gear than I do, I feel like I wasted my time and that the game is no longer rewarding regardless of how much time I spend playing it. You could argue that I could just ignore item buyers, and mind my own business, but the reality is, I can no longer purchase items with gold because most of the items I search for have been moved to the RMAH, and what ever gold I can farm is worthless now that the market has been flooded by farmers.
I guess in your eyes, I should take my "disposable income," and throw it at the screen, and be done with Diablo 3 forever. I am not going to do this for the same reason I never hacked a character in Diablo 2. I like the idea of earning my status in a game, but when that same status can be purchased for pennies on the dollar, it really gives very little incentive to continue playing. I looked forward to Diablo 3 being a game I could spend years developing a character in, and believed that the time investment would feel rewarding, but I now realize that working a 4 hour shift for minimum wage would yield greater results than farming for 100 hours.
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Obviously you haven't seen the drop rates. How many items are you wearing that actually dropped for you in-game? If the answer is 1 or above, you clearly aren't playing a melee class. Every single item I am wearing I had to buy off of the Auction House and I have nearly 300 hours played, and over 200 of that is in Inferno alone.
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There are literally dozens of games with no subscription fee whose server's store more information than Diablo 3. One of the more trendy ones at the moment would be the upcoming Guild Wars 2. If you would like I can list several free-to-play MMOs whose databases are more complex than Diablo 3. As far as Starcraft 2 being "too simple" the last time I checked Blizzard outsources their hosting and networking to AT&T who stated that they use HP Opteron-based servers for all of their games. Meaning the cost is virtually the same regardless of what you are using the server for. As evidenced by the large number of private servers for World of Warcraft, it's really not as complex as you like to believe it is.
While games with a population as massive of World of Warcraft do require more servers, and more money to run, you also have to take into account that most of these WoW players have paid $200.00 in game costs alone. 11 million subscribers? That's 11 million copies, and expansion packs sold. Subscription fees are "for profit," and always have been. Blizzard has never even denied this, and even said that they could go free-to-play if they wanted to.
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So your suggestion, now that my gold is worthless, and my ability to farm gold will never compare to these bots, is to try to sell every item I am wearing on the RMAH at a 15% loss, and then hope that I am able to turn around and buy upgrades off the RMAH at a second 15% loss? What happens when I run out of items to pawn? It's not like I can go farm gold efficiently enough to buy items with gold, and flip them on the real money auction house for an actual profit. This would be virtually impossible now that the gold market has been flooded by the farming industry.
Bottom line is: You will never be able to out farm a bot. As gold value continues to decrease it will not be long before buying gold, or spending USD on items is the only method to play this game competitively.
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Don't for even a second believe that the Real Money Auction House was put there for your protection, and not for Activision's own profits.
As far as having to pay-to-win in Diablo 2 goes? Going to go ahead and disagree with you. I was a teenager who didn't even have a credit card, and I easily beat Hell mode without it even occurring to me that I should be spending real-life money on virtual items.
Unlike Diablo 2, Diablo 3 is not so easily playable without the use of an Auction House. The problem is: this Auction House is now based on real-life currency. Anyone saying this isn't "pay-to-win" is in denial. I officially quit the game today after discovering that my friend who rage quit Inferno during Act 2 just now returned after a 2 week hiatus, spent $30 and he now out gears me despite me having spent a more significant amount of time playing, and even beating Inferno.
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That's weird, because closed realms seemed to solve this problem fine in Diablo 2. I personally leveled my first character offline, and was completely fine with not being able to join closed realm games, and understood why I could not. If someone wants to cheat in an offline game, how does that hurt me at all?
The answer is: the entire Diablo 3 franchise is formed around the pay-to-win system. They don't want you to play offline because they want to pigeon hole players into having to rely on an Auction House that is based on real life currency.
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If server costs were such an issue, why didn't they offer an off-line version?
And secondly, how do Starcraft 2 servers still manage to stay afloat without a pay-to-win model of it's own?
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I don't know this for a fact, but I'm guessing that one of those is a key logger? The worst part is, I don't know which one is legit. The one with TM, or the one without TM?
Anyways, do you think this is some type of hack? There really wasn't two of them before, and I can't make sense of the TM versus non-TM.
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Good luck finding a Monk (which is what I play) who can legit farm Siegebreaker runs. I've beaten Inferno mode, but cannot legitimately "farm" Act 3 and 4. The only melees I know who got rich did so by exploits, and power to them, but I play the game the way it's intended to be played.
Farming for me involved running Act 1 over and over again with minimal gold/magic find gear because unlike ranged, I cannot sacrifice resist all on every slot. Can run an entire Act 1 and not make 300K, especially now that Act 1 items don't sell in the auction house. After about 4 Act 1 runs, you've put a big chunk of time in for a small reward.
I guess you could call this "stupid," but doing chest runs, treasure goblin runs, snagging ponies in Inferno, abusing Hell/Inferno glitch to skip to Act 4 and use Tyrael for free loots etc. isn't my idea of playing Diablo 3. These people can call themselves "good players," but in reality they are just exploiters. And no, not all of them got banned. None of my real-life friends who did said exploits got banned.