There was one person in this topic justifying the bans. I wholeheartedly disagree, with that. I may be bias because i was one that got 14 day ban.
I tried this "exploit" twice - first time for 1 hour when lads on clan said that patch is buggy, and explained current bug i did not even know it exists prior to that. So i went on got myself tons of amulets and tried what this stuff is about. Did not get any advantage or anything dropped it immediately after.
Second time tried for 10 minutes after hotfix was released to test if they fixed the bug finally.
I could perhaps live with the ban even though it is completely undeserved. I have no idea how my testing affected any one of you who praise this ban wave whatsoever. But the fact that according to them they removed my leaderboards results its just icing of the cake. (I have no way of checcking if they actyally removed me).
Just day before ban i finally after ton of efforts got into solo wizard leaderboards, feeling good and all next day i come from work looking forward to progress further and not only i find out that i got ban for some nonsense that i did month ago , but also they claim removing my leaderboard result that i achieved long after that and without any direct correlation.
This is absurd. And those who are defending this decision is absurd too.
I completely agree that those that continously used this exploit should be banned, but those who just tried it for sake of trying at most should have been warned.
My 50 cents anyway. Not that any of you or Blizzard itself cares but i think its a good time to say goodbye to company which makes good games but have no sense of judgement.
If you played the same character you tried it on, later - then you were still using it.
It was a "permanent" exploit. It didn't just go away. There was "no trying it for a minute or two". If you kept playing that character; you were still using the exploit - not matter if you thought so or not.
You'd have to change characters and not use that character again, until fixed - before you were actually not using it anymore.
Bullshit, you could just revert the exploit by repairing the necklace and equipping it.
We had this discussion just yesterday, and a million times before. Can we just stop promoting this nonsense, which might lead some people to just "try stuff out" which then in turn gets them banned?
Of course scanning your memory is illegal, but not if you ask for explicit permission to do so. You give Blizzard this permission by signing the EULA at the first start of the game, otherwise you won't be able to play D3. Of course you can't just go and scan people's memory, but there are always loopholes - or what do you think how virus scanners and those things work.
A company can write what they want in their EULAs. It does not supercede a nation's laws. At least in Germany, any terms in a company's EULA, that conflict with national or case laws are nullified, even if you agreed to them. They can scan my memory based on their EULA, but they should try their best not to be caught in the act.
Please show me the German law that states that software cant scan a persons RAM after explicitly asking for permission to do so. I really do not believe such a law exists. I guess there are no virus scanners in Germany then?
The basic right to "Informationelle Selbstbestimmung". Your virus scanner comparison is lacking. Of course the virus scanner is reading my memory but it doesnt tell its company anything UNLESS I want it to send data to them regarding malware. The issue lies in sending data of myself to 3rd parties without my explicit case-by-case consent
Oh, but blizzard warden does the same thing as a virus scanner. It's not like they copy your whole RAM and send it to their headquarter to inspect it there. Ofcourse not. They simply put 'entries' into warden and warden searches for those entries. If it finds a match warden will not send back your RAM to blizzard, it will simply send back 'positive hit for x bot, by x person, at x time'. As is stated in:
THE GAME MAY COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE; AND/OR (B) BLIZZARD MAY EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO YOU.
They dont just randomly communicate information of your RAM back to blizzard, they simply send back this very specific information (account name, details about the program detected, time and date). They for sure dont need to ask your permission again on a case-by-case basis. You agreed once, thats enough. Similar to any other software that asks if they can send specific information back to their server for x reason, it's not like Facebook needs to ask your permission every time they use your data for commercial use.
Do you really believe a multimillion dolar company like blizzard-activision would develop software like Warden if it woudnt be legal? Do you really believe you know the law better then they do? Why if this discussion comes up nobody ever shows an example of a successful law-suit against Blizzard for scanning their memory?
We had this discussion just yesterday, and a million times before. Can we just stop promoting this nonsense, which might lead some people to just "try stuff out" which then in turn gets them banned?
Of course scanning your memory is illegal, but not if you ask for explicit permission to do so. You give Blizzard this permission by signing the EULA at the first start of the game, otherwise you won't be able to play D3. Of course you can't just go and scan people's memory, but there are always loopholes - or what do you think how virus scanners and those things work.
A company can write what they want in their EULAs. It does not supercede a nation's laws. At least in Germany, any terms in a company's EULA, that conflict with national or case laws are nullified, even if you agreed to them. They can scan my memory based on their EULA, but they should try their best not to be caught in the act.
Please show me the German law that states that software cant scan a persons RAM after explicitly asking for permission to do so. I really do not believe such a law exists. I guess there are no virus scanners in Germany then?
WHEN RUNNING, A GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE PROHIBITED BY SECTION 1(C)(ii) ABOVE. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, (a) THE GAME MAY COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE; AND/OR (B) BLIZZARD MAY EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO YOU.
The above is what you have to agree on before playing Diablo. Blizzard doesnt force you to agree on it, you can just press 'no' if you dont agree. But that simply means you cannot play their game.
Anyway I'm sure a ban wave will be coming to Diablo soon. Its not a matter of if, but a matter of when. Hell even the creator of the bot itself (if anyone would benefit from saying it's safe, its him) sais the bot is not 100% safe. You really are extremely stupit if you believe you're safe 'because the bot doesnt write memory'. As I said before, I can easily list 15 ways of detecting if someone is botting for Blizzard, with a few days work and a patch they could detect all with 100% catch rate I'm sure.
I can easily see 15 different patterns in those bots that I could use to detect them. Ontop of that blizzard can scan your memory, the fact the bot doesnt interect with the diablo memory doesnt mean it doesnt have its own memory entry, every program does.
Hell to catch the biggest offenders they could just ban everyone who had less then 4 hours sleep on average this season.
it can't be that hard to track down botters, at least a vast majority of them.
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the real answer to botting is to create a game environment where the risk/reward for botting is not enough incentive that the majority of players will not bot.
D3 bots all basically works by reading the game memory on your pc and making decisions based on these readings.
In fact yes, it's hard to detect them because they a) don't intervene on client files and they are just memory readers and don't actually change the data there too. In addition to that, Blizzard should be able to scan your pc memory to be able to detect thise bots, with all the privacy/ethic implications (which sound silly but it's a bigger issue than most people expect it to be).
The program themselves are not sophisicated at all, it's the way they work that is basically really really safe.
I agree completely with the second point - only way to fight botters is to make their task so complicated that it's not worth anymore; though i don't really have any ideas about this apart crypting the memory data, but it would have very negative repercussions on game performance.
Nonsense, if blizzard wanted to ban everyone using these bots they could do so easily. Apparently it has no priority.
This whole post is just a joke. The whole argueing about what is 'more bad' or 'you should ban botters first' is nonsense. It's like telling a police man who catches you speeding to go solve murder cases instead. Wont work, sorry.
Anyone who used this exploit didnt do so on accident. The steps required were so specific that there is no way anyone just randomly stubled into this, especially for multiple passives. Anyone who sais he didnt abuse it extensively and got perma-banned is simply lying.
I use the dagger that gives 100% crit vs undamaged minions, another option is Sever. Sever checks your hit, if a hit twice as high would kill a mob, it instantly kills it. So it basically doubles your '1 shot' damage. I use leorics crown for CDR and I use RoRG so I can equip hexing pants. For now I run with focus and restrain, but ideally you want to get rid of those at T7 aswell I guess, they dont add much. Swap for a Stone of Jordan and another ring, CoE is useless imo since you should 1 shot everything without its buff.
Wizzards get very annoying to play with tal'rasha. Especially because the tal'rasha buff isn't even visible half of the time.
Damage in high lvl rifts isn't easy to max.
Rule 1: Always keep 4 stacks of tal'rasha (this means refreshing stacks every 6 seconds)
Rule 2: Always have your focus and restrain proc up (refresh at least once per 5 seconds)
Rule 3: Always have 5 stacks of arcane dynamo when you place a hydra
Rule 4: Fit ~2 arcane meteors (with 5 stacks of arcane dynamo) between the 6 seconds of your tal'rasha stacks sitting at 4 and ensure it doesnt land just as your stacks fall off.
All these rotations while also keeping an eye on your environment and keep as much range from the mobs as possible to maximise your Zeis gem get quite cluncky and hard to maximise to be honest.
A tal'rasha meteor heavy variant with the smoldering core appears to be best.
Outside of that the best way to easily farm a lot of high lvl keys is to speed-farm greater rifts in a group (there are many groups for it). You find a speedfarm group 10 levels below the keys you try to obtain. This saves you a lot of hassle and has the added advantage of giving you much needed xp and gear because speedfarming greaters is the best way to farm xp/gear up at the moment anyway so you'll have to do it anyway.
While 40-50b per hour is hard (even with end game builds I think it is only possible on a monk), even at 25b per hour it goes really fast. (I think Gabynator did lvl 0-70 and 500 paragon in 1 day, after getting rolled back for bloodshard exploit).
I can get 50B per hour on my wizzard in SEASON running 42-43's in ~2min. I'm sure a monk clearing greater 47-48 in 2 min in non-season gets 100+B per hour.
To the OP. It's indeed all about finding some dedicated friends/a good clan to play with. I'm lucky to have plenty of likeminded friends in my friendlist and a decent clan. I work 40 hours a week yet I'm allready 730 para in season 3 (as a wizzard, not some leeching support build). When I get home I can't do anything before I cooked so I dont even bother logging diablo. But after dinner I make sure I can have a 4 hour play session with friends where the only thing we do is rift, 30sec wait, rift, 30 sec wait etc.
Playing diablo for ~1 hour isn't efficient, before you found a decent group and farmed some trial keys your playtime will be over and your efficiency will be completely gone. So try to have a somewhat longer timeframe available, find decent groups and go ham. Add players that performed well and you enjoyed playing with and contact them the next day for more of the same!
Does anyone share my frustration when it comes to players gimping their damage output by like 50% in supposedly fast greater rift farm groups and that the players that don't and deal pretty much all the damage don't get rewarded but punished for doing so?
I feel quite annoyed when I see this wizzard join with leoric's signet+hellfire ring+leorics crown, while I'm wearing a focus and restrain doubling his damage in speed 42 greaters and all he's doing is slowing me down causing rifts to be 3min instead of 2 min. Does anyone share my frustration?
Don't get me wrong, I understand why people do it, but if all 4 players would do it the speed of the clear would be extremely bad, so basically ~2 people are supposed to deal the damage while 2 others leech or something. It feels wrong that the leechers get rewarded for doing so. What's your opinion on this?
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Oh, but blizzard warden does the same thing as a virus scanner. It's not like they copy your whole RAM and send it to their headquarter to inspect it there. Ofcourse not. They simply put 'entries' into warden and warden searches for those entries. If it finds a match warden will not send back your RAM to blizzard, it will simply send back 'positive hit for x bot, by x person, at x time'. As is stated in:
They dont just randomly communicate information of your RAM back to blizzard, they simply send back this very specific information (account name, details about the program detected, time and date). They for sure dont need to ask your permission again on a case-by-case basis. You agreed once, thats enough. Similar to any other software that asks if they can send specific information back to their server for x reason, it's not like Facebook needs to ask your permission every time they use your data for commercial use.
Do you really believe a multimillion dolar company like blizzard-activision would develop software like Warden if it woudnt be legal? Do you really believe you know the law better then they do? Why if this discussion comes up nobody ever shows an example of a successful law-suit against Blizzard for scanning their memory?
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Please show me the German law that states that software cant scan a persons RAM after explicitly asking for permission to do so. I really do not believe such a law exists. I guess there are no virus scanners in Germany then?
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The above is what you have to agree on before playing Diablo. Blizzard doesnt force you to agree on it, you can just press 'no' if you dont agree. But that simply means you cannot play their game.
Anyway I'm sure a ban wave will be coming to Diablo soon. Its not a matter of if, but a matter of when. Hell even the creator of the bot itself (if anyone would benefit from saying it's safe, its him) sais the bot is not 100% safe. You really are extremely stupit if you believe you're safe 'because the bot doesnt write memory'. As I said before, I can easily list 15 ways of detecting if someone is botting for Blizzard, with a few days work and a patch they could detect all with 100% catch rate I'm sure.
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I can easily see 15 different patterns in those bots that I could use to detect them. Ontop of that blizzard can scan your memory, the fact the bot doesnt interect with the diablo memory doesnt mean it doesnt have its own memory entry, every program does.
Hell to catch the biggest offenders they could just ban everyone who had less then 4 hours sleep on average this season.
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This whole post is just a joke. The whole argueing about what is 'more bad' or 'you should ban botters first' is nonsense. It's like telling a police man who catches you speeding to go solve murder cases instead. Wont work, sorry.
Anyone who used this exploit didnt do so on accident. The steps required were so specific that there is no way anyone just randomly stubled into this, especially for multiple passives. Anyone who sais he didnt abuse it extensively and got perma-banned is simply lying.
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I use the dagger that gives 100% crit vs undamaged minions, another option is Sever. Sever checks your hit, if a hit twice as high would kill a mob, it instantly kills it. So it basically doubles your '1 shot' damage. I use leorics crown for CDR and I use RoRG so I can equip hexing pants. For now I run with focus and restrain, but ideally you want to get rid of those at T7 aswell I guess, they dont add much. Swap for a Stone of Jordan and another ring, CoE is useless imo since you should 1 shot everything without its buff.
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Why would blizzard ever want to allow the creation of characters that arn't allowed to group up. That totally goes against the spirit of the game.
When I want to play with friends, I shoudn't feel hold back for ANY reason, blizzard will never introduce a reason for me to feel that way.
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Except that 57 is miles from #5, top is 63 atm and to do the calculation for you, thats 120%^6=300% more hp. Goodluck.
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Wizzards get very annoying to play with tal'rasha. Especially because the tal'rasha buff isn't even visible half of the time.
Damage in high lvl rifts isn't easy to max.
Rule 1: Always keep 4 stacks of tal'rasha (this means refreshing stacks every 6 seconds)
Rule 2: Always have your focus and restrain proc up (refresh at least once per 5 seconds)
Rule 3: Always have 5 stacks of arcane dynamo when you place a hydra
Rule 4: Fit ~2 arcane meteors (with 5 stacks of arcane dynamo) between the 6 seconds of your tal'rasha stacks sitting at 4 and ensure it doesnt land just as your stacks fall off.
All these rotations while also keeping an eye on your environment and keep as much range from the mobs as possible to maximise your Zeis gem get quite cluncky and hard to maximise to be honest.
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A tal'rasha meteor heavy variant with the smoldering core appears to be best.
Outside of that the best way to easily farm a lot of high lvl keys is to speed-farm greater rifts in a group (there are many groups for it). You find a speedfarm group 10 levels below the keys you try to obtain. This saves you a lot of hassle and has the added advantage of giving you much needed xp and gear because speedfarming greaters is the best way to farm xp/gear up at the moment anyway so you'll have to do it anyway.
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I can get 50B per hour on my wizzard in SEASON running 42-43's in ~2min. I'm sure a monk clearing greater 47-48 in 2 min in non-season gets 100+B per hour.
To the OP. It's indeed all about finding some dedicated friends/a good clan to play with. I'm lucky to have plenty of likeminded friends in my friendlist and a decent clan. I work 40 hours a week yet I'm allready 730 para in season 3 (as a wizzard, not some leeching support build). When I get home I can't do anything before I cooked so I dont even bother logging diablo. But after dinner I make sure I can have a 4 hour play session with friends where the only thing we do is rift, 30sec wait, rift, 30 sec wait etc.
Playing diablo for ~1 hour isn't efficient, before you found a decent group and farmed some trial keys your playtime will be over and your efficiency will be completely gone. So try to have a somewhat longer timeframe available, find decent groups and go ham. Add players that performed well and you enjoyed playing with and contact them the next day for more of the same!
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Does anyone share my frustration when it comes to players gimping their damage output by like 50% in supposedly fast greater rift farm groups and that the players that don't and deal pretty much all the damage don't get rewarded but punished for doing so?
I feel quite annoyed when I see this wizzard join with leoric's signet+hellfire ring+leorics crown, while I'm wearing a focus and restrain doubling his damage in speed 42 greaters and all he's doing is slowing me down causing rifts to be 3min instead of 2 min. Does anyone share my frustration?
Don't get me wrong, I understand why people do it, but if all 4 players would do it the speed of the clear would be extremely bad, so basically ~2 people are supposed to deal the damage while 2 others leech or something. It feels wrong that the leechers get rewarded for doing so. What's your opinion on this?
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