And again, it's not just about implementing it into the game, but how the effects of it being implemented effect other aspects of the game.
Yes, some designs may be easy to implement, but aren't necessarily something they should do without thinking about the repercussions.
Honestly, this couldn't be stated enough. So many people love commenting on how simple a change in the game would be while only looking at it from one perspective and completely overlooking how it may effect anything else in the game.
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As programmer, I know they can do changes only for 70 (check x, check req, check lvl, apply only to certain type, etc).
Can be like new changes for experience gear (instance: Leoric's Signet that has max 3% at lvl 70).
You may think you know how the program but you sure don't know how to design.
Obviously it's not going to happen, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't attempt to inform others of the situation in order to improve the feedback provided. I'm not expecting this from everyone, but more so from people who read this forum for instance. Even only motivating a handful of people to actually provide constructive feedback is a hell of a lot better than just ignoring the issue of people being completely nonconstructive. Just because people can easily leave feedback that's completely useless doesn't mean we should leave it at that when just one person providing insight can be the difference.
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I've seen it too much in WoW and it continues with D3 because the CMs are typically less informative with D3. Far too many people bitch and moan with useless feedback that wastes their time. So as I said, complaining is useless when it's not constructive and the majority of people could do a much better job at providing constructive feedback to the devs. Telling them nothing more than that it's bad or not fun and they need to improve it is completely useless.
Your expectations of people are set to high my friend. Getting constructive feedback from everyone would be ideal but its just never gonna happen. My point is that 100 people saying something is wrong (said constructively or not) is better than 10 people saying something is wrong and it being set on the back burner because the issue didn't seem important. So while it may seem useless to only say " I am not happy with this feature." it is another voice drawing attention to the problem and letting the devs know that more than 10 people have an issue. Hopefully moving a fix up on the priority list.
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So, yes you are right that people bitch about features in the game with no solution on how to fix it. Not everyone is gonna have a solution! But, their complaints still need to be heard or how would Blizz know that the activity/feature needs improved. Most of the time everything has already been said in previous posts. So repeating the the prob isn't necessary but voicing that you agree with the matter at hand is. Telling others they shouldn't voice their opinions if they cant offer a solution is gonna do nothing but delay a fix because the prob may not even end up on the radar if nothing is said. Regardless of whether a solution is given or not. Letting it be known that a feature of the game is not fun or needs fixed IS necessary feedback.
Let me clarify. Complaints are only so good to them when they actually provide information to them that can solve the problem. Bitching and moaning about features or changes does nothing. Explaining to them why you're bitching and moaning does.
As well, I'm not telling people that they can't voice their opinions. Not at all. Just that when they do they should be mindful of what information can actually help Blizzard. Saying something sucks or that it needs to be fixed is completely useless to them. Explaining why it needs to be fixed, not even providing a solution to the problem, but simply why it's a problem for you goes a lot further.
I've seen it too much in WoW and it continues with D3 because the CMs are typically less informative with D3. Far too many people bitch and moan with useless feedback that wastes their time. So as I said, complaining is useless when it's not constructive and the majority of people could do a much better job at providing constructive feedback to the devs. Telling them nothing more than that it's bad or not fun and they need to improve it is completely useless.
The problem with this concept that Blizzard is responsible for fixing problems addressed by the community is that it's not as simple as you make it out to be. Just because it's their job to improve the game doesn't mean they'll be able to simply come up with a better solution to appease players. WoW has had this issue for years, where players bitch and moan about features and changes made with practically zero feedback as to how to improve upon it or even why they're upset. Furthermore, people as well can't look outside of their personal experiences and preferences when it comes to changes and blindly assume that all players play the game the way they choose to. So saying that it's their job and they should figure it out is pretty damn worthless feedback.
his way to fix this is remove op dmg buff from those items as he said in video, in my opinion - blizz should fix this in their own way, we (Quin) show them the possible issue and that is already enough for me, i dont have great idea how to fix it but.. this is not my or Quins job (or other players)
If some1 comes here with a great way how to fix it - nice but it will be still blizz job, Quin as a player already did good thing talking about that issue. and we are here cuz that can be big problem for players who looking for fun, not more numbers
Some1 can say - "if you are looking for fun so big numbers and %dmg on items is not your problem, u can wear something else"
but for some ppl fun is also pushing high ranks and to get that high ranks we are forced to wear that "broken" items
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Or, you know, it could mean there's limited time to cover all the games as much as people would want. Especially since the majority of this Blizzcon is obviously about tournaments and not coverage of the games. For instance, Hearthstone getting a content patch next week with only one panel discussing content for a game that's likely their most popular by far.
Seriously, at this point people are just looking for reasons to complain.
no, just no. hearthstone may have one panel for the content, but atleast the get content (you have to pay for) and blizzard gets revenue (which they need to justify dev time). diablo gets QoL changes, fotm set buffing, sescheron-esque zones (in that you won't see them that much after you are done with them) and no real (good) things about proper inventory management, botting or anything that doesn't let the game look like red-headed stepchild it has become.
an 18 year old franchise gets shafted everywhere you look and you have the nerves to tell us that we are looking for reasons to complain. what should we do instead? open our mouth for the crap BITS they feed us?
When I say people are looking for reasons to complain it's not implying that they don't have reason enough already to complain. That's kind of my point really. There's already plenty to be upset about for this game, and I can understand that, but to complain about coverage during Blizzcon of a franchise that's likely the least popular of all of their franchises during a convention that's obviously prioritizing esports over everything else is a bit ridiculous.
You're misunderstanding my Hearthstone point as well. Hearthstone, their most popular franchise that's getting content in less than a week that wasn't announced until yesterday is getting two panels, and only one of them is dedicated to talking about that new content. Hence proving my point that this entire convention isn't focused on discussing the games but rather esports. So complaining that Diablo 3 isn't being covered enough during Blizzcon when it's got as much time dedicated to itself discussing minor updates compared to their most popular game that's getting a major content update is stupid.
There's plenty of reasons to be upset about this franchise, but digging for reasons like not enough Blizzcon coverage is a waste of time.
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The fact that it only had one panel whereas every other Blizzard product has two or more gave me the impression that nothing ground breaking would come out of Blizzcon when they first showed the list. Just more fluff which will have the lasting appeal of an apple left on the counter.
Move along, nothing to see here...
Or, you know, it could mean there's limited time to cover all the games as much as people would want. Especially since the majority of this Blizzcon is obviously about tournaments and not coverage of the games. For instance, Hearthstone getting a content patch next week with only one panel discussing content for a game that's likely their most popular by far.
Seriously, at this point people are just looking for reasons to complain.
Blizzard admins please go play path of exile and learn somthing
path of exile have not many items but game is fun to play and they bring big patches every month and bring new skills etc uniques bla bla
in diablo ? 6 months for a 30mb patch gg
simple diablo 3 was over after release there NO DEV TEAM yet to fix entire game
sry for my english but im so mad to blizzard , ever nvr gonna buy their games.
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Just to be clear, it sounds like they don't even have a secure online structure for consoles. Like any attempt at public game will just be a hackfest.
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The problem with this is it could lead to potential hacking of multiplayer. It's not just as easy as "give players offline access" and could cause serious issues with the game.
Your argument of modding, while somewhat valid, doesn't necessarily hold water because it's not up to us as to whether or not a game should be modded or not, but the developers. There's nothing wrong with wanting a game that they control that isn't overrun by mods to keep it alive when the developers are as passionate about providing a game people will enjoy. This isn't a random small company who could go out of business next year and therein stop all support for this game, so there's no need for user involvment for patches/fixes, and there likely won't ever be.
It also shouldn't take away from a game just because the developers choose to not allow it to be modded. Yes, it can add to the game, but I don't buy that a game, especially this one, can be worse because the developers didn't allow it. I play my fair share of games that have communities that keep them alive via mods, but when you have developers who aren't going anywhere and will be supporting the game likely until well after the next version is out there's no need for the community to be given such access.
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Those people don't die anyways, so who are you trying to effect here?
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I can definitely see your perspective as well, but looking at things so pessimistically, especially with a company like Blizzzard whose developers are so open with the community about what they want to do and why, doesn't get you anywhere.
You also need to realize how game development works and why most companies aren't as open as Blizzard about it, because most people have no idea of the limitations of development. Them being open about what they want to do is not to hype the game, but to get player feedback on it as well as advise players of what they're working on. Sure, they've let us down on some aspects that's for sure, but they're still being extremely open about how they're developing this game which 99% of developers would never do.
This is also not them promising anything, as they've stated across most of their dev discussions on all of their games, as it's more them thinking out loud to the community about what they think may be good features for the game. This always leads to people assuming it as guaranteed player features when that's hardly the case at all. So don't misinterpret this as most people do. However, I much prefer it over other developers who may care what players think, but don't talk about it so they don't upset a vocal minority that gets upset when they scrap something that wouldn't turn out the way they like it. WoW is a great example of this as well, and while it may suck to not get all the features they talk about, it's nice to know they at least are open enough to talk about it to us as well as explain to us why it wouldn't work when they cancel certain features.
I mean would you honestly prefer them to not say a word and just produce features without any player feedback?
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Not that you don't have a few points, but I think his issue is more that the cynicism of the 'fans' of this game is overwhelmingly annoying on a daily basis. I may be biased as an optimist, but seriously the amount of complaining any time they announce something they may be working on to improve the game is beyond me. Complaining is one thing, but bitching about every little thing they do is what it's come down to and is getting extremely old. Especially considering the type of player customization they're talking about, which isn't simple gear or skill customization but character customization, something action RPGs aren't actually known for.
I'm not saying we should praise Blizzard by any means, but at least have some respect for the fact that they're at least trying. 99% of games out there wouldn't have half the development work that this game has had and continues to have after it's release. The fact that they're obviously trying to fix things in the game that players have issues with should be enough considering they technically don't have to do anything with the game once it's released, just like the majority of development on games out there.
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When the game is online only it does effect the merits of the game. Just because you personally don't have issues doesn't mean they don't exist and doesn't mean people are wrong for criticizing the game because of it.
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I'm not sure why this is so important. When the majority of gamers will play it and stop once they 'beat' the game (to their standards of beating) the numbers aren't all that important. As long as they continue to develop changes for the game what does it matter how many people are still playing or how long people played for? They have those numbers for their review and decision making, and it's not really relevant as to why you play the game or not.
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PoE doesn't have half the pressure D3 had, and has, at any point. That's a considerable difference for their development team and everyone in charge. Furthermore, they're in a beta and testing out skills to implement or not, so comparing that aspect to D3 is a bit much. What's worse though is comparing the down time, as D3 obviously has considerably more in it's 'server backbone' than PoE ever will simply due to capacity needs. So while GGG has done well with PoE, the aspects you try and compare them to with D3 and Blizzard's development aren't really fair or accurate.
While it is frustrating about some aspects of this game and the way Blizzard handles things, you have to admire them for not only having the patience to release something in a state most gaming developers wouldn't have the patience for, but also for sticking with a game that's been out for 10 months that they easily could have given up on until the expansion is released.
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This is exactly the issue. People forget that PSN (the Playstation Network for online gaming) has been hacked several times alone in itself, so any sort of security on it isn't going to be reliable enough to have online accounts for D3.
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New legendaries aren't necessary, as most people don't even have legendaries so the point of adding more wouldn't help so much. What they're focusing on in making legendaries meangingful is better than implementing new items. And of course PoE is implementing new legendaries, they're in beta still.
New skills is nothing but bad because it effects gameplay balance even further, meaning more time 'wasted' on that instead of other things. Yet again, PoE is still in it's beta where implementing new skills are expected.
I don't disagree that PoE has some interesting features that D3 could benefit from (namely it's hardcore ladder implementation and races), but nothing you listed is beneficial. Diablo 3, and other games of it's type, are all about grinding gear and shouldn't need more motivation for people to continue to play. This isn't WoW where they need to keep producing things to do.
Lastly though, a game being F2P doesn't justify it in doing certain things, and comparing a F2P game implementing things in it's beta to a game that's been out for 10 months but continues to be developed are two completely different things.
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And any person who truly tried to control those urges would likely not put themselves in that situation and would seek help on it. Him failing to act on his own to prevent it makes it his fault. Yes, I can understand how in his world it's extremely difficult to resist those urges, but you can't simply say 'it sucks and that's reality' when he had options to prevent what he did when it's painfully obvious that what he's doing is wrong.
There's a reason we no longer live like the Spartans as you mention, as society has moved on to realize that grown men doing sexual acts with younger men can be easily taken advantage of because of the mental state of young men and children. And while what you say about teenage girls (and boys for that matter) is true, it doesn't mean they're necessarily right in doing so. There is a severe difference in a man taking advantage of young boys compared to a teenager wanting to be with an older person.
Just because something is not the 'norm' in our current times while it was in previous times doesn't make it a valid act. Slavery was the norm no shorter than 100 years ago yet now it's not. Times change and people become intellectually smarter to realize the real situation of things and how young people can be easily taken advantage of by older people and hence why these laws exist.