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Removing/reequiping gear could work, but you'd be in trouble if you get hit without most of your gear

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Why are you not considering that they might just fiddle with the % of damage reflected? I think that's a possible solution.

Because it's worse than a flat dmg as a solution.

We already know they don't want any 1 shot mechanics, at the very least on normal elites, and that they are focusing on more constant dmg(than we even have now) and less burst. They aren't going to make it so reflect dmg can turn on and you kill yourself a % dmg will certainly do that.

That would make it so early on when you're gearing up, it's a free mod that may as well not be there. Meanwhile when you're at the gear ceiling, you 1 shot yourself. So what they would have to do is impose more rules to make that solution work. That seems like more work for little gain.

Besides a flat dmg increase makes your character feel more powerful as it gets gear. Instead of the % which makes you feel weaker and goes against the whole idea of the game. The only way you can outgear a scaling percentage of incoming dmg is to have a scaling percentage of incoming healing. Which they don't want anymore.

So, it's a problem that the % reflected is a free mod when you're gearing up, but it's not a problem that the flat damage becomes a free mod when you're geared?
Yeah, no contradiction there.

Also, I don't 1-shot myself anymore on RD, so, if you do, maybe you should rethink your character.

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Why are you not considering that they might just fiddle with the % of damage reflected? I think that's a possible solution.

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Seems like this Attack Speed cap is going to hurt a lot of builds like cm wiz, dh, barbs, monks, and 0 dog docs. I agree the +aps is a good question as well.

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Since i don't have trifecta everything - i honestly think all i need to do is change my crit gems to +dmg gems in my weapons and I would only lose a little bit of dps. I'm optimized around mp7-mp8 right now. But if you're decked out rolling through mp10 like it's butter - then you'll definitely notice it.

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These changes are needed in D3. Now we wont have to be hunting tri-fecta items. This opens our characters up to new types of gearing options that we would normally overlook because they lacked the super OP stats.

Anyone complaining about this change obviously had no issue stacking these stats and ignoring 95% of the games items, However for people that want to be flexible in our gearing this is a god send.

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We have to remember that these caps are just from gear. Paragon levels are going to raise this potential as well.

What was it? 50 points in Crit Chance % for +25%? 50 points in Critical Hit Damage for 100%? That makes Crit 65% and Crit Damage 350% max.

We also need to take into account MP is probably not going to work the same. I think the intention is to get away from huge HP inflation in Monster Power and make the monsters actually harder to fight, as in their abilities used to actually kill you change. So you won't need outlandish amounts of damage to kill them I would assume.

That's my take. I like the caps, it will make gearing more interesting and multidimensional. Each slot will not stand independent from all the others to determine its worth to you as a character. You have to factor in all your gear, because if you've already hit a cap (or a few), you won't just want trifecta, and you can use that other affix option for something else you otherwise would not have and not feel punished for going standard.

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I'm not a big fan of these health globes, they're ok for the 1-60 part, but I don't want to rely on them in the endgame. My favorite aspect of the game so far are the uber boss encounters and I wouldn't know how to best them with an hp pool that only goes into one direction: down.

Keep in mind, I'm mostly talking out of a melee pov. I've played (and killed Diablo with) an ~8k hp DH that would die to the sandstorm in a2, but I wouldn't want to go back to that anti-melee game.

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I didn't read that post as Blizzard not wanting any instagibs at all...

That's because Wyatt didn't say anything about removing all instagibs. It's not in the post. Someone is just making shit up.

I am willing to bet that they do keep certain one-shot (or exceptionally-high-damage) attacks. Stuff like Mallet Lords, Azmodan's fireball, Skeleton King's wind-up attack, etc. One-shot mechanics work well for "special" attacks that must be avoided. They don't work well on common attacks like mortar, arcane, etc. I think that's precisely what Wyatt was talking about.

That's not to say that mortar is an instagib mechanic. But it is to say that if one volley of mortar takes you down to 10%, then, due to its relative common occurence, that becomes a point at which you gear around. If you can heal that 90% through globes/potions/or regen stats before the next mortars happen, then there's no point to the mechanic.

That's a far cry from "there won't be any instagib mechanics" though.

Right now we don't have many ways to stress the EHP of the ranged classes without it feeling bursty. I think this is because the game has an plethora of "Do the right thing and take 0 damage, do the wrong thing and take 100K damage". Since the outcomes are so binary, the correct way to build a ranged class is to try to do the right thing as often as you can, and maybe build enough survivability so you can make a mistake once in a while. What I think we need more of is "Do the right thing and take 20K damage, do the wrong thing and take 80K damage". You're still trying to do the right thing, but you're still taking damage either way. Besides, Sanctuary is a dangerous, violent and hazardous place - some amount of damage comes with the territory. When I play, I want to feel stress on my EHP and my Sustainability while still feeling satisfied for making smart plays. I also want to value incremental survivability choices I make on my gear and my skill build.

Let's take it into some more concrete numbers. Let's say a Demon Hunter has 30K health and regenerates 20K health per second via Gloom or what have you. In that world, a 30K hit kills you instantly.
Let's take a mechanic like Mortar. Suppose at the MP level you're playing at, Mortars hit for 30K. As a Demon Hunter you have 2 choices, you can either plan on avoiding all Mortars perfectly, and then you don't die. Or you can gear for either 35K basically you're allowing yourself some "slush". How you gear depends on your confidence in your ability to avoid those Mortars, and how sensitive you are to death.

If you gear for 30K or less, then you are going to feel like the game is really cheap and unfair when you do die, because when those mortars hit you that you had planned on avoiding, you go from full to dead instantly. (Side note, this contributes to Vortex feeling cheap. It's not that Vortex kills you directly, but Vortex causes you to take damage from something you had previously planned on avoiding completely, because you know it kills you)

On the other hand, if you gear for 35K health, then the game went from threatening to super-easy-mode, because the mortars are flying at you once every 2 seconds, and you heal to full in 1.5 seconds, now the mortars never actually kill you. In fact, you might not even bother dodging them anymore.

Now enter the "half-damage and half-healing". Instead of healing for 20K health per second, I heal for 10K health per second. But instead of taking 30K damage, I take 15K damage. In the absence of any other changes, I think we'd see exactly what you predict. The game didn't become interesting, instead, I'm just going to gear with 15K health.

However, what if the way in which we cut Mortar damage wasn't just a strict 50% cut. What if we took the 30K damage and made it "0 damage if you avoid the Mortar by 20 yards, 5K damage if there is a Nearby Hit of about 8 yards, and 25K damage if you are hit directly".

Now as a player I can't reliably plan on avoiding all the Mortar hits. If I want to play super-duper safe I can avoid all the mortars, but I'm probably running a ton and doing almost no damage. Realistically I'm probably going to take 5K "incidental damage" constantly. This is going to eat into my 10K healing per second. If I take a 25K hit that leaves me at 5K health, I'm scared but not dead. Over the next 5 seconds I can't afford to take another direct hit, and can either play super conservatively to avoid even 5K hits, or I can play more aggressively and accept that my 10K regen per second is being partially counteracted by the 5K near-hits and just make a concerted effort to avoid any more direct hits until my health is back up to a comfortable range.

You're right this would be a significant shift in the environment, which is why you haven't seen such a change.

Note: I'm not actually saying we're going to change anything with Mortar. I'm just using it for illustrative purposes because I think it's a good example for people to wrap their minds around right now.

When incoming damage is that high, a 15% increase in monster damage would result in death. This leads to comments like "As soon as I turn up the Monster Power I get 1-shot". I'd like to see a game where a clever player can handle a higher Monster Power by reducing incoming damage through good play.

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Yeah, only the WD has any real interest in health globes (and a good interest it is - I quite like the WD's interaction with globes).

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Current way to gear any MP10 character:

1. Get enough HP/resist/armor to not die in under a few hits
2. Get some life steal
3. Get your DPS high enough that you heal instantly

Then you want to group mobs into as big a ball as possible and always choose huge AoE skills. You will heal so fast that a mob of 50 monsters amongst 2 elite packs poses barely any more danger than a mob of 3 monsters.

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This somewhat worries me. While they seem to have a quite proper grasp on what defines challenge and how it is currently broken, this is pretty much just a well written version of what has already been said during the long interview with Archon during his twitch stream a few months back. For now they got nothing more to show than insight on what should change and a very vague idea with the leaked beta class changes. I really hope that Blizzcon will deliver some solid info on changes and not just a prolongation of hype with tidbits of well done trailers and vague information on what might or might not come

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It will probably be true that right at the release of the first seasonal ladder a large flock of people will do it, especially returning players. But after that first ladder reset, the amount of people who join each progressive ladder is going to go down as the novelty wears off. Yes, many will enjoy the ladder resets, and to each their own. But I suspect many of those players finishing the first ladder will probably continue to play their characters after being moved out of the seasonal ladder.

I highly doubt it will be irrelevant. I myself have really no interest in seasonal ladders honestly. I will participate at first, but there is no way I am going to start new characters every seasonal ladder. For me it gets old starting from scratch constantly. I like to develop long term, and I can't possibly be the only one. My guess is the average player will do both regularly perhaps.

One thing to also consider is that having 10 x paragon 100 might not be that much of an advantage if we end up gaining experience at a much higher rate off level 70 monsters.

Long term? And what is a long term for you? In Diablo 2 the ladders lasted for multiple months. It was plenty of time to develop a character to very high performance and still get bored with it.

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Nothing will move to non-ladder. There is likely to be two ladders, the perpetual paragon ladder which all of our current chars are apart of and seasonal ladder chars get dumped to. Then there will be seasonal ladders(clvl 1,plvl 0, 0 items and gold) with frequent resets.

You must be out of your mind to think Blizzard would undermine paragon 2.0 before it even released with the single ladder you propose. The majority will probably play "non-ladder" with maybe playing a season here or there.

Obviously the longer the game goes on the more likely people are to play on the seasonal ladder, but I doubt they will totally abandon the "non-ladder".

It does not matter if you call it non-ladder or old-ladder or seasonal ladder or whatever.

The "seasonal" ladder will be where everything is new and fun. If it is anything like in D2, most people will play the "seasonal" ladder. The "old" ladder chars are allready maxed out anyway. The entire idea of ladders is to have item and char resets in the game every now and then. Even the most hardcore will eventually get bored of their perfect char and start a new one.