While all this theorizing about griefing is entertaining at best, I don't really think this is the point of this thread. Unless suddenly became the new form of PvP...
The warden is designed to gather personal information, not catch bots. Besides, they make millions off of botters, they have little interest in shutting them down, except for some symbolic ban waves to make people think they are doing something about it.
If only looking at it from this perspective, Blizzard would more likely encourage bots. The more bots, the more items sold on the AH, the more fees generated on the AH, and the more money in Blizzards pockets.
This is the exact same issue online poker sites has had for years. Officially they don't want bots, but the reality is, bots generate more money to the company than any regular player would ever be able to do. Only one poker site has really actively pursued bots, because they believe this is in the interrest of the players, and by doing so, they can take players from other poker networks.
Blizzard doens't have this competition, so them saying they don't want bots, has nothing to do with the economy of the AHs. It has more to do with the way Blizzard views great games, and this is a very good thing.
To compare again with the pokersites. The pokersites interrest lies in that people believe it is bot-free, and as long as the people believe that, they really have no purpose of hunting bots. Pokersites have their ONLY income from the money generated this way. Blizzard believes bots ruin the game for them and for the players. Blizzard will make a fraction on the RMAH compared to just buying the game/expansion. How many people are going to use more than $60/€60 on the RMAH, and out of that amount of money, how much is going into Blizzards pocket. Not much, compared to the original price. Blizzards only reason to charge on the RMAH, is to cover the expenses this feature gives them. It has nothing to do with securing the companys future economy wise, and therefore it has not relation to botting. And because of this Blizzard focus on botting might be very different than we have ever seen before, which can both end up positive and negative.
I think the beta doesn't have Warden so you can expect hacks/bots in it?
Blizzard also probably does hot-spotting or pattern detection on your movements... and investigate fishy ones. You'd be amazed at some of the data games/apps collect now.
That said, I really hope Blizzard continues to patch/support D3 to actively counter these said hacks and not go the way of D2 where it was simply a free-for-all. Because if not, everyone and their mother would be botting for a chance to gain some $$$
I would really like high-level PvP to emerge in D3, but unless the dev team shifts its focus to PvP development and balance (to the possible detriment of PvE content), I'm afraid this is a longshot.
Even if they didn't balance PvP, I see no reason not to allow players to create custom arena games. I'd like the option to team up or duel my friends. That's still for fun, right?
Good question, although it has little to do with anything. We are not discussing how the combat or anything will blow in comparison. We are discussing how the way to go about it, and the options we have to do it blow in comparison.
For the record, I have not played D3 PvP and none of my views would change by playing it. I am well aware that the style of combat is relatively the same and that does not worry me 1 bit. Team dueling, health globes, arena with no options bother me.
Maybe they'll add arena with a ton of options, maybe not. I agree though that a barebones arena would suck.
I don't really buy into all the arguments saying "blah blah blah, you're wrong, because Blizzard and the majority says so, durrr." But 3-6 months after PvP has been released, then we can have a more accurate pulse on what the majority really want for it, and whether or not Blizzard was right in their design choices.
As for my own conjectures, yeah, hostility and dueling may have a place in private games. Not in public though, because it just enable more avenues for griefing. That said, I don't think there is much chance of getting open world PvP implemented, as it makes Arena somewhat redundant. Time will tell.
Elective stats would not work because it would give you a right way and a wrong way to build your character that is permanent. Blizzard does not want this, period
There is always going to be a right way to build your character whether or not this mode gets implemented. Also, this is a mode, so there is an option not to use it. For the permanence issue, a respec option could be offered with a gold and/or time cost.
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This will be forgotten quickly by next week, I suppose.
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I think the fun is in playing the game [with theorycrafting], not [just] working out how to play it.
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lolwut?
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What about the Glider case?
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Please, please be true
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That said, I really hope Blizzard continues to patch/support D3 to actively counter these said hacks and not go the way of D2 where it was simply a free-for-all. Because if not, everyone and their mother would be botting for a chance to gain some $$$
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What do you guys think? Can Blizzard effectively handle this? Or is botting/hacking/cheating inevitable?
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Even if they didn't balance PvP, I see no reason not to allow players to create custom arena games. I'd like the option to team up or duel my friends. That's still for fun, right?
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Maybe they'll add arena with a ton of options, maybe not. I agree though that a barebones arena would suck.
I don't really buy into all the arguments saying "blah blah blah, you're wrong, because Blizzard and the majority says so, durrr." But 3-6 months after PvP has been released, then we can have a more accurate pulse on what the majority really want for it, and whether or not Blizzard was right in their design choices.
As for my own conjectures, yeah, hostility and dueling may have a place in private games. Not in public though, because it just enable more avenues for griefing. That said, I don't think there is much chance of getting open world PvP implemented, as it makes Arena somewhat redundant. Time will tell.
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There is always going to be a right way to build your character whether or not this mode gets implemented. Also, this is a mode, so there is an option not to use it. For the permanence issue, a respec option could be offered with a gold and/or time cost.
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I missed the part where they removed stats from D3.