Anyway, I understood that if I buy the digital version, and afterwords upgrade to CE key, I will get a new key from blizzard which I can do with as I please...
Is that correct? and if so, may I sell it? And who would ever buy it?
Thanks.
Its really scary how many people are still drinking the Blizzard koolaid, no wonder why they think they can do what they want since people will buy their stuff like trained zombies, which is not a good sign.
According to your post you're not buying D3?
And they don't think they can do, they just do. They're saying that they (the game developers) know better then us (the gamers) what's good for us. And I think they're right. I'm sure we all consider ourselfs pro gamers, but I'm humble, I can't create games, so I put my trust in those who can, and proved them selfs.
Blizzard 2 is only in for the money if they would still be gamers, their games would have the former Blizzard quality and features one would desire.
You consider Blizzard's latest games as low quality?
What do you mean by "trust" ?
If you think Blizzard is as bad as Bioware you are wrong, if you think it is a charity only thereto satisfy hardcore gamers needs you are also damn wrong.
as bad as Bioware... wait...what...?!
Bioware was never and will never (or at least in the nearest future) be such a Franchise- and Profit-raising moloch like the one Blizzard has mutated to in the last decade. Bioware still stands for quality, lovable and charming single-player games, a path Blizzard never fully walked on - in sense of the strong multiplayer part in their games. So to compare these two with each other is limping a lot.
And how can you say Bioware is bad... or even worse than Blizzard... I can't see it.
well... i trust them in releasing a great game with diablo 3... it'll be great, i gotta stay optimistic, i mean after all its the company that released the 3 best PC games of all time in my opinion (#1 Warcraft 3, #2 Diablo 2, #3 Starcraft Broodwar)
but its not like all those years ago when i was still a kid, playing d2 and all these great Blizzard games, back then i didnt really follow any of the progress they made when developing these games
i was just looking forward to these games and was sure they'd deliver... and they have ! With Wc3 i started looking closer and what they had in mind, and well... they released the best game of all time (Wc3 TFT)
but since WoW i started worrying and my once "this-company-delivers-the-best-games-ever"-feeling towards the company has changed...
And this is exactly how I see the whole issue!
I can't wait to get my hands on D3, but I've seen so many bad, strange and idiotic decisions during the development of WoW and the time I was playing it (since release - with some breaks) that I just hope that this Blizzard-wise decision-making won't affect the D3 Team too much.
Blizzard has lost a lot of its peculiar charm with their capitalistic focus on WoW and how to milk people to the fullest.
How can anyone of us trust such a megacorp. with an obviously higher focus on profit than on the interests of the playerbase?
I don't trust them to make a game for me.
I trust them to create a product that is beneficial for them.
The things is, EVERY company makes products that make them money, the difference is that Blizzard produces products that are worth the money you spent, they're complete games, and enjoyable ones; This is what I mean when i say I trust them.
I mean...It's one thing to say it. It's easy to say it. Whether your trust them or not, is irrelevant. Only the future will tell.
To be honest, there aran't many game companies that I trust this day and age. One of the last few is Blizzard.
And right now, the sequel to one of the greatest games ever made, is being made, by the same company.
If ANYONE can pull it off, it's them.
I've been reading a lot on this forum the last few days, and on the official forums.
It seems to me a lot of people are angry at Blizzard, for moving away from the
well working formula that was (and still is) Diablo 2.
Diablo 2 was an amazing game when it was released 12 years ago; yet people seem to think the game mechanics, for instance, shouldn't stray from the path that D2 curved.
Well I can see why they're afraid, after all, Blizzard are doing some radical changes. And changes are scary I admit.
That said, this is Blizzard we're talking about. They're responsible for World of warcraft, Star-Craft, Warcraft and the Diablo franchise. And The Lost Vikings, of course.
I know that these games, and even D2 wasn't made by the same exact employees, but this is still the same company that gave me, and you, so many great titles, and so much fun over the years, that I just don't understand where this antagonism is coming from.
That is still pure speculation.
The fact you are using logic and common sense doesnt change that. If you were to speculate without using logic and common sense, then you would no longer be talking about D3, you would be discussing Religion.
Please try and stay mature.
And what do you mean by "Why can't a skill called 'Deadly Reach' use a staff instead of a fist?", Because this class is a martial artist, that uses his body as a weapon, punches, kicks, exploding palms, didn't you ever watch a ninja movie? I think of him as a Shaolin monk. Sure they can a use a weapon, but they don't need it, they just kick you in the face.
And that's what (I think) Blizzard went for here. Don't be close minded to think that every class in the history of games should follow the same patterns. I for one, am glad they went astray from the normal conventions of a melee class.
Talking about martial artists and escpecially about ones that know how to use weapons (shaolin monks?). Why WOULDNT you use your weapon if you know how to use it? Isnt fighting with a weapon as a martial artist always better then fighting bare handed if you know how to do both? Just imagine a shaolin with a staff... they know how to use it... so why wouldnt he? It gives him better reach for the fight...
So I dont see that argument as valid. Also if Blizzard really wants us to fight barehanded they could simply give the Monk no weapons... but they give him the weapons... so yeah I guess they want him to use them.
Also if you look at the animation right now the Monk isnt a Monk but a Wizard with the teleport skill... he frequently teleports his weapons out of his hand xD It just looks dumb as is.
Overall I would be satisfied with an animation that just lets the weapons stay at his back/waist... it would look way better then what we have right now <_<
If you'll go back to my original post I said that if it would just stay sheathed then all will be peaceful in the world.
But other then that, yeah I see what you're saying. Good point.
In wow mages, warlocks, priests and druids never used their weapons, they stayed on their backs, and no one cried about it, because they weren't suppose to use them.
Think of the monk in the same way, ALL (correct me if I'm wrong) of his abilities use his limbs, not his weapons. Even the names and icons of his abilities show fists.
I will give you this:
If anything, his weapons should stay sheathed at all times, and not pop in and out of his hands, that is plain stupid.
Thank you for comparing casters to a melee class. You win.
And why can't a skill called 'Deadly Reach' use a staff instead of a fist? Where does it say 'Deadly Hand Reach'? Lashing Tail Kick? Sure. But, as you said, 'ALL monk skills? No, don't be silly.
Please try and stay mature.
And what do you mean by "Why can't a skill called 'Deadly Reach' use a staff instead of a fist?", Because this class is a martial artist, that uses his body as a weapon, punches, kicks, exploding palms, didn't you ever watch a ninja movie? I think of him as a Shaolin monk. Sure they can a use a weapon, but they don't need it, they just kick you in the face.
And that's what (I think) Blizzard went for here. Don't be close minded to think that every class in the history of games should follow the same patterns. I for one, am glad they went astray from the normal conventions of a melee class.
Not to mention he cites WoW as his example like that should make anyone feel better about it.
What I don't get is there is already an animation for the monk swinging his staff. And there are already the animated effects for abilities like Deadly Reach. Monk swings staff, you see the effects of Deadly Reach. What's not obvious about that?
I compared it to wow because both games are fantasy themed, class based games from the same creators.
It's not suppose to make you feel good, it's just so I'll have an example for a popular game.
Why does everyone refer to WoW for a diablo example? lolz the games are totally different in playstyle, theme and genre. Sometimes I wonder with these forums.. are we to support diablo or not.
In wow mages, warlocks, priests and druids never used their weapons, they stayed on their backs, and no one cried about it, because they weren't suppose to use them.
Think of the monk in the same way, ALL (correct me if I'm wrong) of his abilities use his limbs, not his weapons. Even the names and icons of his abilities show fists.
I will give you this:
If anything, his weapons should stay sheathed at all times, and not pop in and out of his hands, that is plain stupid.
No I won't take it, I'm not much of a collectionneur and the goodies you get will most probably get lost over time.
The only thing I'd like is the artbook, I'd pay a 80$ version for artbook + game but not 100$. I totally understand why some people do, if they take care of their CE that's good, if you are like me and don't take care of boxes etc that's more questionable though.
The shiny box is one thing, if you have an annual pass, it is actually quite the deal.
Diablo 3 - $60
Soundtrack - $15
Soulstone USB - $20 could be more since its custom
Diablo 2/Lod - $20
Custome USB holder - $10
Artbook - I'll estimate by ScII's $55.99 ( ya no kidding source: http://www.amazon.co...c/dp/B003XSYR8M )
4 Free months of WoW - $60
All ingame items - I'll just say $5 for the ingame WoW pet.
Grand Total if you bought all items individually $245.99, that's not bad for a $100 package.
If you have the AP its also like getting the collectors addition for $40 because of the 4 free months and the $60 it would be saving you.
I don't care about any of those apart from the artbook which for me isn't worth 60$ My opinion stay unchanged but I totally agree that for someone interested in every items and willing to pay said prices 100$ is worth it.
I'm just saying the artbook and game alone more then make up the price of the CE if you bought them individually.
Yeah I understood, but I'll never pay that much for a artbook
Understandable, infact I won't even look at mine until AFTER I beat Diablo, I looked at SCII's first, and got a major spoiler to the end of the story, wasn't happy.
I am getting it. you people saying "too much money?"
get a better job... i support things i enjoy in life including diablo and make plenty enough to do so
What an unneccessary comment. I make PLENTY to be able to afford basically anything I want outside of the most lavish cars and houses. I'm not getting the CE because it's "too much money" relative to the throwaway plastic crap inside.
It's much more like "hey these people have been waiting years for this game, we can easily throw in $5-$10 of extras and charge an additional $40+ for these CE versions." CEs have always been an easy cashgrab for major IPs of any producer. Oh, and if you justify doing because you want to "support blizzard" then you are fucking retarded. Blizzard doesn't need any additional support, it's small struggling developers and production companies that do. Every cent you spend on blizzard goes directly into Activi$ions wallet (who was a huge supporter and funder of SOPA). A bill that would have permanently shut down diablofans.com.
You guys are fucking sheep.
Hey.. take it easy there dude, don't want to burst a vein.
You are correct, Activision are a bunch of money loving douchebags, but Blizzard are a fine game company, that again and again creates amazing games, that never fail.
And it's true that the CE content is worth less then the money spend for it, so in that sense yea, it's a way to make people pay extra for less.
But do you think the game it self is worth 60$? of course it's not.
So basically you're doing the same thing we, the CE buyers do, only for less money.
The thing you don't realize is that we like the stuff inside. I don't care if it's cheap plastic. I like looking at that skull standing on my table. I like having that huge box sitting on my closet. And I REALLY like the art book, since it correlates with the line of work I do for a living.
The money we spend on CE is no more waste of money then you spend on the normal version.
We're just complete with our love, and you, in my humble opinion, are not.
This isn't true at all. Relative to the amount of time I will play d3, $60 is chump change. It's somewhere around 20 cents per hour of play, and that is at an incredibly conservative estimate.
However, the CE edition extras dont add to the actual game I want to play. The total amount of hours I spend playing d3 won't change based on whether I got the CE or not since there is no additional in game content to explore or fight, etc. I'm not doing the same thing as you. What you are doing is paying additional money for additional cheap plastic trinkets.
edit: lmao and this is my favorite part "The money we spend on CE is no more waste of money then you spend on the normal version.
We're just complete with our love, and you, in my humble opinion, are not."
Are you really saying "you aren't a true fan if you dont waste $40 on useless moneygrab crap from activision"?
XFD you poor delusional child
I'm a 26 years old my hostile friend, and you?
Of course that's not what I'm saying... I meant that me and you work for our living. We are both grown men, and we decide what we do with our money. You decide you're willing to pay 60$ for a video game. Not charity, not food, not education, a video game.
I decided to spend an extra 40$ for the respect i have for these specific game makers, and for the extra trinkets that come along with the box.
When I said we're complete with our love for the game, what I meant is we're happy with our purchase, we don't care about other people's purchases, and you seem to be angry with me, a person you'll never meet.
I am getting it. you people saying "too much money?"
get a better job... i support things i enjoy in life including diablo and make plenty enough to do so
What an unneccessary comment. I make PLENTY to be able to afford basically anything I want outside of the most lavish cars and houses. I'm not getting the CE because it's "too much money" relative to the throwaway plastic crap inside.
It's much more like "hey these people have been waiting years for this game, we can easily throw in $5-$10 of extras and charge an additional $40+ for these CE versions." CEs have always been an easy cashgrab for major IPs of any producer. Oh, and if you justify doing because you want to "support blizzard" then you are fucking retarded. Blizzard doesn't need any additional support, it's small struggling developers and production companies that do. Every cent you spend on blizzard goes directly into Activi$ions wallet (who was a huge supporter and funder of SOPA). A bill that would have permanently shut down diablofans.com.
You guys are fucking sheep.
Hey.. take it easy there dude, don't want to burst a vein.
You are correct, Activision are a bunch of money loving douchebags, but Blizzard are a fine game company, that again and again creates amazing games, that never fail.
And it's true that the CE content is worth less then the money spend for it, so in that sense yea, it's a way to make people pay extra for less.
But do you think the game it self is worth 60$? of course it's not.
So basically you're doing the same thing we, the CE buyers do, only for less money.
The thing you don't realize is that we like the stuff inside. I don't care if it's cheap plastic. I like looking at that skull standing on my table. I like having that huge box sitting on my closet. And I REALLY like the art book, since it correlates with the line of work I do for a living.
The money we spend on CE is no more waste of money then you spend on the normal version.
We're just complete with our love, and you, in my humble opinion, are not.
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Anyway, I understood that if I buy the digital version, and afterwords upgrade to CE key, I will get a new key from blizzard which I can do with as I please...
Is that correct? and if so, may I sell it? And who would ever buy it?
Thanks.
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And they don't think they can do, they just do. They're saying that they (the game developers) know better then us (the gamers) what's good for us. And I think they're right. I'm sure we all consider ourselfs pro gamers, but I'm humble, I can't create games, so I put my trust in those who can, and proved them selfs.
You consider Blizzard's latest games as low quality?
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I don't trust them to make a game for me.
I trust them to create a product that is beneficial for them.
The things is, EVERY company makes products that make them money, the difference is that Blizzard produces products that are worth the money you spent, they're complete games, and enjoyable ones; This is what I mean when i say I trust them.
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And right now, the sequel to one of the greatest games ever made, is being made, by the same company.
If ANYONE can pull it off, it's them.
Agreed.
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It seems to me a lot of people are angry at Blizzard, for moving away from the
well working formula that was (and still is) Diablo 2.
Diablo 2 was an amazing game when it was released 12 years ago; yet people seem to think the game mechanics, for instance, shouldn't stray from the path that D2 curved.
Well I can see why they're afraid, after all, Blizzard are doing some radical changes. And changes are scary I admit.
That said, this is Blizzard we're talking about. They're responsible for World of warcraft, Star-Craft, Warcraft and the Diablo franchise. And The Lost Vikings, of course.
I know that these games, and even D2 wasn't made by the same exact employees, but this is still the same company that gave me, and you, so many great titles, and so much fun over the years, that I just don't understand where this antagonism is coming from.
I for one, trust them, full-heartedly.
p.s
Sorry for any typos I probably had.
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OP is an annoying individual, and I'm not speculating.
Personally I think the wall will be wider. :Thumbs Up:
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If you'll go back to my original post I said that if it would just stay sheathed then all will be peaceful in the world.
But other then that, yeah I see what you're saying. Good point.
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And what do you mean by "Why can't a skill called 'Deadly Reach' use a staff instead of a fist?", Because this class is a martial artist, that uses his body as a weapon, punches, kicks, exploding palms, didn't you ever watch a ninja movie? I think of him as a Shaolin monk. Sure they can a use a weapon, but they don't need it, they just kick you in the face.
And that's what (I think) Blizzard went for here. Don't be close minded to think that every class in the history of games should follow the same patterns. I for one, am glad they went astray from the normal conventions of a melee class.
I compared it to wow because both games are fantasy themed, class based games from the same creators.
It's not suppose to make you feel good, it's just so I'll have an example for a popular game.
They're not that different.
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In wow mages, warlocks, priests and druids never used their weapons, they stayed on their backs, and no one cried about it, because they weren't suppose to use them.
Think of the monk in the same way, ALL (correct me if I'm wrong) of his abilities use his limbs, not his weapons. Even the names and icons of his abilities show fists.
I will give you this:
If anything, his weapons should stay sheathed at all times, and not pop in and out of his hands, that is plain stupid.
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Good tip, thanks.
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I'm a 26 years old my hostile friend, and you?
Of course that's not what I'm saying... I meant that me and you work for our living. We are both grown men, and we decide what we do with our money. You decide you're willing to pay 60$ for a video game. Not charity, not food, not education, a video game.
I decided to spend an extra 40$ for the respect i have for these specific game makers, and for the extra trinkets that come along with the box.
When I said we're complete with our love for the game, what I meant is we're happy with our purchase, we don't care about other people's purchases, and you seem to be angry with me, a person you'll never meet.
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Hey.. take it easy there dude, don't want to burst a vein.
You are correct, Activision are a bunch of money loving douchebags, but Blizzard are a fine game company, that again and again creates amazing games, that never fail.
And it's true that the CE content is worth less then the money spend for it, so in that sense yea, it's a way to make people pay extra for less.
But do you think the game it self is worth 60$? of course it's not.
So basically you're doing the same thing we, the CE buyers do, only for less money.
The thing you don't realize is that we like the stuff inside. I don't care if it's cheap plastic. I like looking at that skull standing on my table. I like having that huge box sitting on my closet. And I REALLY like the art book, since it correlates with the line of work I do for a living.
The money we spend on CE is no more waste of money then you spend on the normal version.
We're just complete with our love, and you, in my humble opinion, are not.