Quote from Omega329
Us "PvPers" aren't expecting BALANCE, we want more FREEDOM that was taken away from us (FREEDOM that we had in D2, and no not everyone's experience of PvP consisted of random public games). Since they took away the FREEDOM and tried to control PvP, they need to add certain FEATURES and OPTIONS and CUSTOMIZATION to make it right again. We want to be able to make custom PvP matches, even if that consists of battling it out in "blood moor" instead of a damn arena. The ability to fight as parties vs parties.
Right now pvp is limited to some bullshit 2v2 kill until your run out of lives crap, with no way to directly face another party (your friends) since in battle.net 2.0 social aspects have been removed from the game.
No more iron mans (and other classic fun games)
No more joining a random pub game clearing it out and having fun.
No more guild/friend/clan/random battles of 4v4 in a GM style setting.
No more challenging specific people to duels.
No more killing bots in public games (they will come in time).
Some things that could definitely be added to be an IMPROVEMENT over D2. (Very wishful thinking).
Obviously PvP games that consist of 6-12 people, we don't care if it is too chaotic and you can't tell who everyone is, but let it be an option, let us figure it out, let us make the choice if it is "too chaotic."
Statistics - Stuff like kills - damage, burst damage - most kills in a row stuff would be neat. Public/Private, people who are good can obviously show off, people who are bad just mind their own business, no harm done.
Edit, and for everyone who thinks we are trying to turn the damn game into an "ESPORT" you are full of shit whiners, pretty much every game on the market - even runescape - has better PvP than what is currently incorporated into D3, and don't deflect by telling us to "PLAY A DIFFERENT GAME" for something so fundamentally simple that needs to be in the game.
December, 2012 Headline:
"Blizzard fights angry PvPers by telling them to go play LoL."
I wanted to quote this post so that more people see it.
I basically agree with this person.
I am someone who enjoys the PvP aspects of games more so than the PvM aspect. This is the reason I play HoN and Dota 2. I love the Diablo series and I would say D2 is my favorite game of all time.
I am not asking for a game that is balanced as an eSport. I am asking for more freedom to play the game how I want to play it.
We want custom games
We want dueling
We want MUTUAL hostility
We want some kind of ranking or ladder for the arena system(we understand the game isn't balanced for PvP)
All of this stuff except the last was in Diablo 2. This stuff has been taken away from us and our ways of creating PvP content for ourselves is gone(ex: Iron man)
The arena system, while I think its an awesome addition to the game, pigeon holes us into a specific PvP style. Without proper tools we won't be able to play the game how WE want to play.
Random occurrences of PvP were always my favorite. Someone going hostile with you in a random game, you accept the challenge and smash it out with them.
What about the uneven matches. Going 3 on 1, 4 on 2, 3 on 2, etc... We can't do this.
This has been taken away and it makes me sad that this is the direction Blizzard is taking the game in.
I just hope I am wrong and that Blizzard is going to implement some of the things we want. Number 1 being custom games.
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I mean lets be real about D2 for a second shall we? So you're level 90+ on almost every character.. You've already maxed out all the PvE content in the game 8x3 = 24+ times AT THE VERY LEAST! I played the game for 5-6 years and you can imagine how many times I beat the game over and over to get loot. So in terms of story line, original content, and really anything else to the game it's over with pretty quickly or at least Diablo 2 was. First run through is nice and takes a while, everything after that you're rushing a character through the game to get to a point where you can farm bosses for loot, to trade, then to PvP. Unless you play offline which takes a lot longer and can be done for a personal goal but that has again ZERO effect on PvP so it's irrelivent. Anywho the PvE aspect of this game has been covered in that Diablo 3 will most likely have a great story line (Played the Beta, It was awesome for me and I go into it) but once the game is beaten, (yes I know Blizz said I will die a lot and Inferno mode will be incredibly hard and most likely very fun but..) you just beat end game content over and over for more loot so you can..
TRADE! That's right. That's the other part of this fantastic game which was so incredibly fun! Blizzard has already managed to ruin that in Diablo 3 making items purchasable through the game (Yes I know websites would of been selling items anyways but doing this encourages every 12 year old with a credit card to have FAT LOOTS when all they did was drop 100 extra bucks on the game making them no better then anyone else which imo is complete bullshit to promote in a game BUT ANYWAYS!) You beat the hardest end game bosses for more loot! With this loot you trade it to get better loot! So you can kill bosses faster to get loot FASTER! So you can either end the game here for yourself and trade all day (not hating, tradings cool if you wanna trade all day but there's more to the game) or you can use that nicely aquired loot too..
KILL OTHER PLAYERS. Now onto the final stage of what Diablo 2 was. I played D2 for a long, long time. It the game I've returned too most in my entire life. Everytime I came back to the game it went exactly like how I wrote it down. PvE to get Items, then trade those items, so I can be good at PvP. To do anything otherwise seemed.. Pointless..? PvP was the ultimate end game in D2 if you really think about it.
I mean really, what else is there too the game? Kill stuff for rewards, then trade rewards for better stuff, then try and build the best character for PvP. Now you might say I have a flawed view of the game or I am just being biased towards PvE because I was an avid fan of PvP and still em but I will tell you, you're completely wrong if you think that.
I LOVE a good storyline. I LOVED D2's storyline. I watched every cinematic countless times because I just enjoyed the game so much in every aspect.I came back to the game not only because I loved it's PvP but because I loved playing Diablo the game so much. To not take advantage of what Diablo 2 had to offer was just silly, and still is silly in my eyes. There's three things you can do in D2. PvE for Loot. Trade Loot. PvP. That's it. You can choose to do 1/3 or 2/3 and limit the games full potential but I chose to do 3/3 and I enjoyed D2 more then any game in my entire life.
So when you have people spamming "WAHH WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE AN ESPORT!" or "PVP WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THE PVE CONTENT BECAUSE BLIZZARD WILL HAVE TO TRY AND BALANCE IT AND PUT RESOURCES ONTO SOMETHING I AM NOT INTERESTED IN!" I'd call you a selfish person then. If you try and claim PvP wasn't a massive part of D2 then you didn't play the game to it's full potential. I want D3 to be a kick ass storyline driven RPG as much as anyone does. In fact I am sick of all this PvP games I've been playing lately and I've been waiting for a great game with a great storyline to come out and I cannot wait for D3. Once I am done beating the game in 2-3 months I will want to move on from the RPG aspect and start PvPing again. Except I can't because it's not going to be supported what so ever..
The game will be completely imbalanced most likely for PvP. (I am aware D2 was imbalanced but D3 has the knowledge, the tools (the pve and pvp balancing tool which YES THEY DO HAVE!), and the time to make it balanced for the PvP community. Blizzard is a big boy company now since D2's release and they can handle this shit if they so choose too they just simply aren't which again, blows my mind) The game will have very little support for PvP compared to the PvE aspect and won't have any ranked system for players to go up against each other and see who's the best. To not promote or care about one of the three BIGGEST aspects let alone the ONLY three aspects of D2 makes me lose faith in Blizzard as a company and dims the light PC gaming as a whole as Blizzard has produced the best games I've ever played in the past, but it seems the future holds a different story for me and Blizzards relationship.
Supporting PvP supports the Diablo community. Supporting PvP as an eSport makes the game more popular then you can imagine. You want more PvE content? Well if the games an incredibly popular eSport it will give Blizz the money and motiviation to keep it comming with more great content for us. Supporting PvP just adds to the game. I think that's the biggest point here is that adding and supporting PvP just adds more content and things to do in the game which to my knowledge isn't a bad thing what so ever. I don't think I can stress that enough that it only adds to the greatness of what Diablo 3 can be.
So PvE'ers I am not sure what your problem is other then you want all the focus to be on PvE game for your own selfish needs because you've all made it so clear you don't dare about PvP in your game. PvP only makes Diablo 3 stronger in EVERY ASPECT OF THE GAME and if you don't want to support that aspect guess what.. YOU DON'T HAVE TOO! Just go kill monsters and shit to trade over and over and let the community of PvP'ers be happy killing each other with that aquired loot.
PvE'ers by not supporting PvP you take away from the game, and most of all you take away from the community. Remember that when bashing PvP.
Blizzard by not supporting PvP the way it should be supported in Diablo 3 you take away from your game, and you let down the community. Remember that when neglecting a major aspect of what made your game popular and what kept people coming back to play it.