What superior AoE? LfB has better AoE component than SS. And Ballistic is not a dead passive on Fire too as it boosts Arsenal and Spitfire Turrets. And putting turrets aside, go ahead and compare how many clusters can you fire with and without Cindercoat. With it I can literally spam it while setting down turrets, and without it I spend "free" time doing what.. Hungering Arrow mostly? I'm not saying physical is bad, it's not, but please try not to be biased.
I said both are good but apparently you can't read and seem a little biased yourself. I'll tell you one thing fire is garbage for, fire mobs. They take massive reduced damage, especially spiders. Fire doesn't benefit from ballistics like physical does. Pets deal huge damage as physical, watch them slaughter a t4 guardian. My crusader is fire and the fire mobs alone were enough to change my mind.
Physical just makes sense for marauder set. 550% cluster damage +3 400% rockets, add the 100% rockets damage from the passive and we're at 500% and in my eyes superior damage/aoe. Both specs are good but I feel physical has the edge in end game gear.
^ Thats my physical sader If you have the gear and it looks like you more than do; could try this build out see what you think
I always wanted to see someone run a baleful remnant with a zero down time 6 set akkhans.
Also the OP posted this only 4 days ago and already his gear on his profile has changed over to Fire so I guess that physical build wasn't as powerful as he hoped it to be.
I've always rocked the fire, it's my favorite build for the sader. Physical is very good imo, each phalanx can hit a target for 20+ mil, totaling 60-80m on a target which is equivalent to holy shotgun. It's just a fun build for people to mess around with.
So I finally rolled a Crusader out of boredom of having a very geared barb, and this is one of the fun builds one can experiment with that is quite comparable to fotm holy shotgun/lefire. Props goes to my clanmate holyoke for showing me this build and inspiring me to play the crusader.
I do not having incredibly highend physical gear as-well and I imagine this build could potentially be more powerful.
Sorry for the low quality video, I do not know why it uploaded at only 360p as Ive never had this happen before. This build is a fun build! and it could be optimized differently.
I have 45% cdr on my barb and with the passive rune wotb is down for 30 seconds. I think perma wotb is impossible for barbs, but 30 second downtime is amazing!
1.Well first you had the best set or you would if you would put it on, but it was on stash
Actually due to blizzards "bug fix" eq became incredibly bad for people such as myself that were hitting for 80m hammers with harrington so I decided to put a lot of my fire gear on my crusader seeing as how Raekor was clearing t6 faster without harrington. How? its simple 30 second downtime on wotb and 5 second downtime on charge if it ever bugged made raekor's incredibly powerful when paired with hota/bloodshed with 50% area damage. Trash mobs actually die faster to bloodshed than earthquake making the set obsolete despite its great numbers.
2.then diabloprogress came for comparison and as long as it said you had better score ,regardless if we were measuring earthquake set or how many pies one could eat, it was valid
Its simple, more elite damage and better numbers than you without harrington in the equation. Pie never tasted so good.
3.then raekor's set came into a comparison of EQ with unity or not (?!!!)
After some testing I came to the realization that Raekor's was outproducing eq in my case so I threw it out there in the thread. People say Raekor isn't viable and that's where the argument came into play.
4.then again diabloprogress wasn't that good since it didn't show that you were better
I never once said diabloprogress was not good because its very good. Someone compared my raekor set when originally the earlier posts were earthquake related. If you had a brain you'd remember our direct comparison despite your "unity sucks" attitude. You tried to compare us saying we did the same damage bla bla with hopes and dreams. Harrington/unity > Pride.
5.then yet again you would "definitely be one of the highest ranked eq barbs"(on the site you loved/hated/loved again)but now that set is bad and raekor's is superior so why bother
I er ah think I love forest and Jennay. I go on boat to great America with shrimps.
Seriously what was this point even doing? completely contradicts point 2. Forest bro Forest.
I am not bashing you,just trying to understand which one is it.
1.Well first you had the best set or you would if you would put it on, but it was on stash
2.then diabloprogress came for comparison and as long as it said you had better score ,regardless if we were measuring earthquake set or how many pies one could eat, it was valid
3.then raekor's set came into a comparison of EQ with unity or not (?!!!)
4.then again diabloprogress wasn't that good since it didn't show that you were better
5.then yet again you would "definitely be one of the highest ranked eq barbs"(on the site you loved/hated/loved again)but now that set is bad and raekor's is superior so why bother
I am not bashing you,just trying to understand which one is it.
In case this is the turn where diabloprogress is good again, ,oohh wow i ranked 38 Eu/ 75 World !!!
Omg so stronk!
But on a serious note,can we agree that the site correctly calculates but doesn't take into account rotations,spells,+dmg on specific skills and so much more? It's a good site to help you decide which gear gives more elemental/elite dps but it's not the be-all and end-all of calculating dps.
I guess to you everything I type is rocket science when you're at the level of street science. I have not once said I hate diablo progress, but it is in fact a website that does the math for people who don't know how to calculate their TRUE damage in proper gear. A down syndrome jimmy hatrick in a blanket can look at your rank75 and see you're aren't using a set and your just stacking pure damage and nobody cares lol. Barbs seem to think eq is the only way and well I have one of the best and I simply state it isn't as efficient as people seem to claim and there are easily other ways such as rak's hota or even boulder toss build and even a globe build. All you need to know is if you are wearing a set and diabloprogress ranks you pretty high in the world you know you are doing something right.
I guess the point wasn't clear as to what the dps means on diabloprogress, the site does the math so when you open your inventory and your damage is 1 million and you want to know what 128% fire is stacked on top of that and that's what diabloprogress is ranked off of. The higher the number the more damage you do obviously.
You claim you're among the best geared barbs, yet the very site you list as a reference doesn't even put you close to it. Am I missing something?
Oh it wouldn't be a barb thread if user50001 didn't get his penny for thoughts in. How can you look at my barbs gear and not realize it's top tier? How can you not understand the power of 30 second downtime on wotb with perma charge at 5 seconds? 8 minute t6 clears as a raekor barb and you think Diablo progress is gonna show how l337 my lightning setup is? I could throw on all my fire gear and be top 50 in the world if you like.
Not even my eq set clears as fast as my lightning setup despite the theorycrafting of it being incredibly better.
Well you yourself linked the site as a reference to you being top barb, then you rage when I point out how it doesn't work as a reference. You're contradicting yourself. ^__^
Edit: wouldn't be a barb thread without barrybonds claiming to be the top barb and not backing it up >.<
Cute, but I do have multiple sets and an open armory link unlike yourself and video proof of t6 clears and I actually give people advice on these forums unlike you and your meager brain claiming raekor is unviable. 57% lightning versus geared characters worldwide at 100%+ fire, yeah diabloprogress wont put me in the top 1k but you cant deny my sets godly and one of the best out there for a lightning barb. Contradicting what? if I put on my barbs eq set it is definitely one of the highest ranked eq barbs in the world, but its a bad set now that blizzard nerfed it and raekor is by far superior.
You claim you're among the best geared barbs, yet the very site you list as a reference doesn't even put you close to it. Am I missing something?
Oh it wouldn't be a barb thread if user50001 didn't get his penny for thoughts in. How can you look at my barbs gear and not realize it's top tier? How can you not understand the power of 30 second downtime on wotb with perma charge at 5 seconds? 8 minute t6 clears as a raekor barb and you think Diablo progress is gonna show how l337 my lightning setup is? I could throw on all my fire gear and be top 50 in the world if you like.
Not even my eq set clears as fast as my lightning setup despite the theorycrafting of it being incredibly better.
You talk about some other stuff and gear and an act of god but that doesn't cut it m8. Diabloprogress is your proof ? what's next ,paper dps in game ? The site doesn't' take into account so many things ,like for example +dmg on earthquakes ,the fact that our main source of dmg is earthquake and cooldowns play such a big part and the list goes on and on .its a tool to help you a bit but no means to compare.
If you want to compare you can see that you got : (1.9(fire)*1.74(elite))=3.306 VS mine:(1.53(fire)*1.28(earthquake)*1.65(elite))=3.231 multiplier on earthquakes (not even counting your hammers vs battle rage and frenzy(+25% dmg).
As you can see the difference in dps is so very minimal and probably not in your favor either ,however in terms of toughness I got you hands down, as I can survive in T6 in a group thanks to 6sec cd on ignore pain ,while you will probably melt away at the first moonseed you happen to come across....
Don't know why you turned this thread into a pissing contest nor do Icare but I came here to help other barbarians do T6 effectively in group play.
The difference is incredibly huge in the gap between both of us. Your toughness is the exact same as mine rofl and I have a better pride belt than you do...More hp and also I have shoulders with +earthquake damage and bracers of which add +26% damage on each pull if I wanted pure eq damage. I also have hexing pants if I wanted to use the garbage rorg. Diablo progress doesn't lie when it comes to calculating damage, You're just an elitist who bashed a unity and I put you in your place and you didnt like it. The ring is working as intended so get over it and yes I clear t6 faster than you ever will and in my raekor set 8-10 mins 1 t6 rift.
you're a huge fucking noob barry you use frenzy primary WW secondary....just because you have no life doesnt mean you're good kid (actually its like a 35 yr old dude lol)
I lold, I actually use raekor/hota build and clear t6 faster than eq nubs anyways so regardless it doesn't matter. Whats ironic is that you criticize threads all day but we've all yet to see an armory link from a godmode such as yourself. This games all based off of mainstream and what streamers do and kids dont have a clue to look at their own abilities/items and determine what is good.
It's simple, unity is working as intended and it is the best for solo play as this game is mostly a solo play oriented game. I find grouping boring tbh and so do a lot of players and personally id rather run around with perma 50% reduction and have a harrington for insane damage that doesn't compare to group play. Hota's for 60m on elites pretty much crush a pure eq build imo and idk how people can go pure eq and run around like a tard and have fun without a dumper.
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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/barrybondz-1111/hero/10544772
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I do not having incredibly highend physical gear as-well and I imagine this build could potentially be more powerful.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/barrybondz-1111/hero/43704315
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmfdpVa1YH0
Sorry for the low quality video, I do not know why it uploaded at only 360p as Ive never had this happen before. This build is a fun build! and it could be optimized differently.
I run 53% cdr for almost perma akarat.
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Actually due to blizzards "bug fix" eq became incredibly bad for people such as myself that were hitting for 80m hammers with harrington so I decided to put a lot of my fire gear on my crusader seeing as how Raekor was clearing t6 faster without harrington. How? its simple 30 second downtime on wotb and 5 second downtime on charge if it ever bugged made raekor's incredibly powerful when paired with hota/bloodshed with 50% area damage. Trash mobs actually die faster to bloodshed than earthquake making the set obsolete despite its great numbers.
2.then diabloprogress came for comparison and as long as it said you had better score ,regardless if we were measuring earthquake set or how many pies one could eat, it was valid
Its simple, more elite damage and better numbers than you without harrington in the equation. Pie never tasted so good.
3.then raekor's set came into a comparison of EQ with unity or not (?!!!)
After some testing I came to the realization that Raekor's was outproducing eq in my case so I threw it out there in the thread. People say Raekor isn't viable and that's where the argument came into play.
4.then again diabloprogress wasn't that good since it didn't show that you were better
I never once said diabloprogress was not good because its very good. Someone compared my raekor set when originally the earlier posts were earthquake related. If you had a brain you'd remember our direct comparison despite your "unity sucks" attitude. You tried to compare us saying we did the same damage bla bla with hopes and dreams. Harrington/unity > Pride.
5.then yet again you would "definitely be one of the highest ranked eq barbs"(on the site you loved/hated/loved again)but now that set is bad and raekor's is superior so why bother
I er ah think I love forest and Jennay. I go on boat to great America with shrimps.
Seriously what was this point even doing? completely contradicts point 2. Forest bro Forest.
I am not bashing you,just trying to understand which one is it.
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I guess the point wasn't clear as to what the dps means on diabloprogress, the site does the math so when you open your inventory and your damage is 1 million and you want to know what 128% fire is stacked on top of that and that's what diabloprogress is ranked off of. The higher the number the more damage you do obviously.
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Not even my eq set clears as fast as my lightning setup despite the theorycrafting of it being incredibly better.
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