Dude, again, just because you wrote it in the OP does not make it the truth in anyway. You saying that it means nothing, does not mean that it means nothing. You cannot have a discussion about this if you keep claiming your own ideas to be the absolut truth - thats not how this works.
Because its logical, its not "absolutely right", nothing is. its just logical reasoning based on facts. Its extremely illogical to think an extremely vague statement means anything arguable, or anything at all. it's intentionally vague and was said right after its very first announcement of existing, obviously its not coming out any standard of soon dude. Thinking otherwise is pretty black and white if you actually think about it. Blizzard, or any video game company, would also never intentionally announce a game over 3-4 years before its actual release, that would be illogical for so many reasons. Blizzard is a company first and you can expect them to operate like one.
2022 is late for Diablo 4 release. Its engine isn't that good to face the potential new aRPGs being developed atm. If they delay D4 to 2022 they'll make a mistake. No matter in what state the game is, it has to drop next year or they risk getting smashed by better games and lose a big portion of the player base they aim to get.
The truth is Diablo 4 is a great game for 2020, but it would be mediocre in 2022 since the games market is so dynamic. Diablo 4 has to capitalize on what it is in 2021. That's my personal opinion.
No i definitely agree. With PoE 2, TL3, wolcen and other ARPG's coming out and trying to compete, D4 is no longer very unique or seems overly polished compared to other games. Unless they hit some major delay, we'll see the game next year :).
to be honest, this is the first time they said "not even BLizzard soon", so, dont get your hopes high, i think we are talking at least 2 years for a full release (state of art to play).
Q4 2021 is exactly 2 full years from announcement.
Can't repeat this enough, Blizzard saying "its not even blizzard soon" right after very first announcement of existence doesn't mean anything. No game is any standard or variation of "soon" RIGHT after its official announcement. lol. It's hilarious anyone is giving any thought to that random vague comment when it was said literally right after its announcement, why would someone even ask? It's obviously going to be at least 2 years from its announcement. So yea NOT 'soon' or 'not blizzard soon' derp. derp. Like anyone didn't know that already. Blizz wouldn't have announced the game at all if it thought it was 3-4 years out still.
After reading the new quartly update I think we "might" see an alpha end of next year?
And a beta a year later. So my feelings/guesses tells me it will take 2\3 years before we see a public beta or release.
Especially when they said "not soon, not even blizzard soon" at the last Blizzcon.
The reason why im guessing it will take 2\3 years is because in the post you can read that they only finished like 1 zone\act? Let alone all the other maps, mobs, items etc etc.
You said this same thing in both threads and it clearly shows you didnt read the OP. haha. its in the first paragraph. Them saying an intentionally vague statement about the game not being released soon doesn't really mean anything because it was said directly after D4s announcement, how could any game be any standard of 'soon' directly after its announcement? it cant. its an illogical question to even ask. They also mention multiple times how what theyve shown the pulic isnt close to what they have finished.
I think they only completed like 1 zone\act ? So they still need to do ALOT.
We might see a closed alpha by the end of next year? But the chances are likely we will see something public within 2\3 years.
I mean they didnt say "not even Blizzard soon" for nothing.
They are too early. They still havent created alot of things which take time. Let alone balancing, adjusting and tuning it.
Blizzard saying "its not even blizzard soon" right after very first announcement of existence means nothing. it was intentionally vague. No game is any standard or variation of "soon" RIGHT after its official announcement. Stupid to even ask. They are being smart this time and not promising the public anything.
balancing and adjustments are done in alpha-beta, not before. They also mentioned in the june dev update that what you're seeing in the demo's are not everything they have done. Which i put in the OP, which you again didn't read.
Yes, when i say i think its coming out Q4 2021, thats the best and earliest possible release IF everything goes smooth. 1 bump in the road and that jumps to mid-late 2022
they even said the game isn’t even in Alpha Stage. This game will come out 2022 earliest. 2023 is way more likely.
D3 took 10 years to make. And when they had the beta, it was nothing like live server.
D3.5? what does that mean?
and yes i know it isnt in alpha yet bud. its about to go into alpha. D3 had 3-4 major development issues, did you not even read the OP broseph? D3 was planned to be released just over 2 years after the demo, which got pushed 3 times to 4 years which angered everyone. Even the developers. It'll only take longer than that if they hit some major problem(s) like in D3. At the Q4 developer update this year they'll announce they're in Alpha or going into it soon and then Beta by mid-2021 and released before xmas.
What does Blizzard gain by lying about where they are in production? If they say they are early on in development, I believe them. They have no reason to lie.
lying? lol. no ones "lying" man. Its clearly for PR. The company has a bad rep for delaying games, so they are being smart this time and not promising the public anything so they don't have to apologize for it later if/when its delayed. So they do in fact have something to gain. Less negative PR and and then extra positive PR when its launched sooner than expected.
-They did playtests on both the main story-line and all 'open world' features along with crafting, PVP, multiplayer and side quest testing, i think this is even more proof the game will be released by Q4 next year.
-They show some item drops and talk about art, story telling & "camps" (zones you clear to create waypoints)
-This test doesn't show the entirety of their progress. (quote below)
-They state "we aren't in alpha or beta yet", but they clearly have most of the game complete and are in the last couple stages before entering Alpha. I predict they'll enter Alpha by the end of this year/early next year and release by x-mas next year. w00t.
"As is the case with many other game and technology companies at the time of writing this, the Diablo IV team has fully transitioned to working from home. While the transition has introduced challenges, we feel very fortunate to be able to keep momentum going strong on the development of Diablo IV."
& "It’s worth noting that the playtest also didn’t represent the entirety of our progress. Other regions of the game are underway."
The lack of a "COVID-19 Delay" announcement plus this paragraph here shows the pandemic hasn't delayed D4 at all.
Seems it was very flimsy at best anyways. Blizz never made any official announcement they were even working on a D2 reboot, so how can this news article claim it has word its coming out next quarter of this year? Blizz officially announced Wc3 Reforged almost 2 full years before it came out. If they are working on a D2 reboot, it wont be coming out for years. guaranteed.
Again, I'll have to say, just because you belive it to be like this (classes are done etc), does not make it true. The only truth is that we don't know. Maybe you are right, I personally don't think so - but I think we have established that :-D
Obviously everyone has their own opinions. Your opinion seems to be based on their previous track-record, which is a safe position to take. But mine is based on exactly what we've seen and a more reasonable time-frame. We've seen most of the gameplay, skills, talents, world, features and how things will mostly be at launch so its unnecessary to even show the public anymore besides the last 2 classes, they needed to with-hold at least some decent info for the Q-dev-updates. if they reveal the other classes in 2 weeks at the Dev update, will you then think its closer to 2021? lol
Crappy gameplay? If there is one thing most agree on when it comes to d3 it's that the gameplay is awesome, it's pretty much everything else that a lot of people have a problem with.
80% of what we will see a launch? What, how, why...?
The demo was set a level 20, not starter zone for starters.
Yes, we are still missing 40% of the classes, the talent system was anything but done, same goes for skills.
They haven't talked about endgame systems yet, which will be the big one.
I really can't wrap my head around how you could possibly think that everything is done by now, and add to that blizzard keep telling everyone that the game is in a very early stage.
I am not trying to put you down or be negative about the game. I am trying to be realistic about it.
Saying that it will release soon and blow everything away based on nothing but own expectations does not make it true. Hell, maybe poe 2 will completely destroy Diablo 4 is every aspect - we just don't know yet
I should've specifically said crappy-longevity for gameplay. it was really fun, for a short time. D2 lasted 10x longer.
Them not revealing the final classes is simply for the quarterly-dev-updates, not necessarily because they aren't far from finished. Quarterly-update is their new shtick to keep fans interested until release. And based on the amount of info released in the first update, we'll get 100% of everything within just 2-3 updates anyways.
The demo showcased the gameplay. the same gamplay you'll experience from lvl 1 to max. its an Arpg, its very repetitive. AoE monsters for loot, level up, alter skills, repeat. End game has always been the loot grind. Loot grinding for Grifting, builds or pvp, is still a loot grind and thats 90% of all diablo games.
=> seems like you haven't read this entire page https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23189677/diablo-iv-feature-overview (yes yes they emphasize at the end that its "early in development", already touched on that in OP). But no game with the demo they had is THAT early in development. Q4 2021 is 2 full years from announcement.
D3 wasn't a failure by anyone's standards. It sold like what, 30 million copies with the expansions combined? D2 only sold 4 million to date. D3 WAS fun. i loved it when it first came out. But i played D2 for 5-6 years before getting bored, i only played D3 for barley 5-6 months before becoming much more bored than i was of D2, i even went back to D2 for a little bit. D3 just didn't have the same community feel as D2 had. And with the lack of pvp, a lot of people bought it, but quit shortly after. We came back for the expansion, but again, for only a few months. And seasons? less than 2 weeks into each season until its boring again.
I have a lot higher hopes for D4 based on what we've seen. Back to the D2 feel, with major improvements. I had no complaints about wanting D3 to make me feel 12 or be completely blown away again. I had specific complaints like the soft/glowy graphics, end-game content, how crafting/trading worked, no pvp ect. But i agree D3 was/is a great game and anyone calling it a failure is just butthurt.
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Because its logical, its not "absolutely right", nothing is. its just logical reasoning based on facts. Its extremely illogical to think an extremely vague statement means anything arguable, or anything at all. it's intentionally vague and was said right after its very first announcement of existing, obviously its not coming out any standard of soon dude. Thinking otherwise is pretty black and white if you actually think about it. Blizzard, or any video game company, would also never intentionally announce a game over 3-4 years before its actual release, that would be illogical for so many reasons. Blizzard is a company first and you can expect them to operate like one.
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No i definitely agree. With PoE 2, TL3, wolcen and other ARPG's coming out and trying to compete, D4 is no longer very unique or seems overly polished compared to other games. Unless they hit some major delay, we'll see the game next year :).
Q4 2021 is exactly 2 full years from announcement.
Can't repeat this enough, Blizzard saying "its not even blizzard soon" right after very first announcement of existence doesn't mean anything. No game is any standard or variation of "soon" RIGHT after its official announcement. lol. It's hilarious anyone is giving any thought to that random vague comment when it was said literally right after its announcement, why would someone even ask? It's obviously going to be at least 2 years from its announcement. So yea NOT 'soon' or 'not blizzard soon' derp. derp. Like anyone didn't know that already. Blizz wouldn't have announced the game at all if it thought it was 3-4 years out still.
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You said this same thing in both threads and it clearly shows you didnt read the OP. haha. its in the first paragraph. Them saying an intentionally vague statement about the game not being released soon doesn't really mean anything because it was said directly after D4s announcement, how could any game be any standard of 'soon' directly after its announcement? it cant. its an illogical question to even ask. They also mention multiple times how what theyve shown the pulic isnt close to what they have finished.
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Blizzard saying "its not even blizzard soon" right after very first announcement of existence means nothing. it was intentionally vague. No game is any standard or variation of "soon" RIGHT after its official announcement. Stupid to even ask. They are being smart this time and not promising the public anything.
balancing and adjustments are done in alpha-beta, not before. They also mentioned in the june dev update that what you're seeing in the demo's are not everything they have done. Which i put in the OP, which you again didn't read.
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Yes, when i say i think its coming out Q4 2021, thats the best and earliest possible release IF everything goes smooth. 1 bump in the road and that jumps to mid-late 2022
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D3.5? what does that mean?
and yes i know it isnt in alpha yet bud. its about to go into alpha. D3 had 3-4 major development issues, did you not even read the OP broseph? D3 was planned to be released just over 2 years after the demo, which got pushed 3 times to 4 years which angered everyone. Even the developers. It'll only take longer than that if they hit some major problem(s) like in D3. At the Q4 developer update this year they'll announce they're in Alpha or going into it soon and then Beta by mid-2021 and released before xmas.
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Open? probably not. Im expecting a closed alpha and then the closed beta followed by open beta. i thought thats the natural order of things.
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lying? lol. no ones "lying" man. Its clearly for PR. The company has a bad rep for delaying games, so they are being smart this time and not promising the public anything so they don't have to apologize for it later if/when its delayed. So they do in fact have something to gain. Less negative PR and and then extra positive PR when its launched sooner than expected.
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LINK: https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23463858/diablo-iv-quarterly-update-june-2020
highlights & considerations:
-They did playtests on both the main story-line and all 'open world' features along with crafting, PVP, multiplayer and side quest testing, i think this is even more proof the game will be released by Q4 next year.
-They show some item drops and talk about art, story telling & "camps" (zones you clear to create waypoints)
-This test doesn't show the entirety of their progress. (quote below)
-They state "we aren't in alpha or beta yet", but they clearly have most of the game complete and are in the last couple stages before entering Alpha. I predict they'll enter Alpha by the end of this year/early next year and release by x-mas next year. w00t.
The lack of a "COVID-19 Delay" announcement plus this paragraph here shows the pandemic hasn't delayed D4 at all.
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Seems it was very flimsy at best anyways. Blizz never made any official announcement they were even working on a D2 reboot, so how can this news article claim it has word its coming out next quarter of this year? Blizz officially announced Wc3 Reforged almost 2 full years before it came out. If they are working on a D2 reboot, it wont be coming out for years. guaranteed.
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Didn't they announce awhile ago that they killed the D2 remake?
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based on.... ?
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Obviously everyone has their own opinions. Your opinion seems to be based on their previous track-record, which is a safe position to take. But mine is based on exactly what we've seen and a more reasonable time-frame. We've seen most of the gameplay, skills, talents, world, features and how things will mostly be at launch so its unnecessary to even show the public anymore besides the last 2 classes, they needed to with-hold at least some decent info for the Q-dev-updates. if they reveal the other classes in 2 weeks at the Dev update, will you then think its closer to 2021? lol
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I should've specifically said crappy-longevity for gameplay. it was really fun, for a short time. D2 lasted 10x longer.
Them not revealing the final classes is simply for the quarterly-dev-updates, not necessarily because they aren't far from finished. Quarterly-update is their new shtick to keep fans interested until release. And based on the amount of info released in the first update, we'll get 100% of everything within just 2-3 updates anyways.
The demo showcased the gameplay. the same gamplay you'll experience from lvl 1 to max. its an Arpg, its very repetitive. AoE monsters for loot, level up, alter skills, repeat. End game has always been the loot grind. Loot grinding for Grifting, builds or pvp, is still a loot grind and thats 90% of all diablo games.
=> seems like you haven't read this entire page https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23189677/diablo-iv-feature-overview (yes yes they emphasize at the end that its "early in development", already touched on that in OP). But no game with the demo they had is THAT early in development. Q4 2021 is 2 full years from announcement.
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D3 wasn't a failure by anyone's standards. It sold like what, 30 million copies with the expansions combined? D2 only sold 4 million to date. D3 WAS fun. i loved it when it first came out. But i played D2 for 5-6 years before getting bored, i only played D3 for barley 5-6 months before becoming much more bored than i was of D2, i even went back to D2 for a little bit. D3 just didn't have the same community feel as D2 had. And with the lack of pvp, a lot of people bought it, but quit shortly after. We came back for the expansion, but again, for only a few months. And seasons? less than 2 weeks into each season until its boring again.
I have a lot higher hopes for D4 based on what we've seen. Back to the D2 feel, with major improvements. I had no complaints about wanting D3 to make me feel 12 or be completely blown away again. I had specific complaints like the soft/glowy graphics, end-game content, how crafting/trading worked, no pvp ect. But i agree D3 was/is a great game and anyone calling it a failure is just butthurt.