DiabloFans

Removing stats from gear is always something I will be VERY against in this game.

The current itemization is already VERY limited. Everyone is after the same stats. Removing the usefulness of Pickup Radius would only make items even more stale. If you don't like how things are with your current pickup radius, then swap out a stat for some more. It's called a tradeoff.... and it's a good thing.

Quote from SwamySalami

Life steal exists on weapons, off-hands and on Mighty Belts.

False... it does not exist on off-hands.

*Ubers
*new shrines
*legendary drop effect
*gem recipes are yellow
*in game prompt that your auction has sold.

Quote from Nihility89

Quote from Nuvian

Stupid move.

Why?

Even with insanely high defenses, only certain builds with the best equips can handle mp7 and up. Blizz's philosophy for the game has been to promote build diversity without forcing players to play a certain way to overcome challenging content.

All this change does is reduce the need to play a specific way. I for one see no problem with this move. Plus, this isn't a change because of players bitching and moaning about how hard higher mp levels are, it was because of a bug! That, you could say is Blizz's fault.

Don't get me wrong, a lot of the players who have spent millions on items to beat higher mp levels will be upset that they won't need that gear as much now, but that group of people is a small minority. Even so, that specific minority of people will still have the pvp patch to look forward to : )

are you kiding me? I have crap gear and I could stand in molten and jump through arcane beams like they're nothing in MP6. Please don't complain about the haves vs the have-nots.

On the fact that it's a bug (apparently). If that's the case, why aren't they fixing it in normal as well? Reading between the lines it sounds like they're throwing out "herp derp, it's a bug" just to appease the people wanting a harder game. If it's really a bug, why don't they fix the bug instead of just nerfing damage across the board? It doesn't sound like a bug fix to me....

1.) Remove NV stack requirement for Uber organ drops. It's a stupid restriction. There's nothing LESS FUN than attempting to kill an uber by yourself or with a group and then either A) Kill it just after your stacks run out or B.) Seeing that your timer is low and then having to go back out into the world to find a rare pack to reset your timer.

2.) Increased rewards for MP. If the rewards for attempting higher MP were actually worth the effort, there would be an actual reason to pay a premium for "best in slot" gear compared to just picking something up for pennies that is good enough to farm anything in the game. Currently, the only reason to go beyond this "good enough" gear level is for key/uber farming.

3.) Make MF/GF from paragon levels account bound. Stat based rewards from paragons should remain per character though. Finally, we'd have a reason to play alts again.

Quote from Sagathiest

Its not as if this is about being strictly optimal or not optimal . In D2 you could progress quite far before the point where trading became necessary to be optimal hit. It was basically a case of decreasing returns to time invested. The more time you invested in farming the more difficult it became to find items which would be useful on your character. In Diablo 3 so far the point where you had to start trading to be optimal hit much earlier. Specifically farming became inefficient relative to trading much faster. Thus the auction house felt 'necessary' because, It was more efficient than trading in D2 and the returns to time invested in farming were too low. So complaints about the AH are more about players wanting to be MORE optimal without the AH not Absolutely optimal without the AH.

Increasing drop-rates will increase the efficiency of Farming and thus make players more optimal without using the auction house. However clearly to be Absolutely optimal use of the AH will still be required.

So while i think your right that if you take demands about wanting to be optimal without the AH to the extreme they seem ridiculous you need to consider the spectrum of optimisation not just the extremes.

Stop complaining about the AH and complain about the real issue you have with the game then.

Your issue with the game is the loot quality. Blizzard wanted the game to last a long time so what they did was add layers upon layers of randomness which makes it so that it's REALLY hard to get a good item in this game.

* First you must get a ilvl63 item to drop (even at the best rates it's only 18%... even less if you aren't in act 3 yet)
* Now you must get it to roll at least as a rare
* Now you must get it to roll that it's a 6 affix rare (10%ish chance I think?)
* Now you must get it roll a combination of affixes that are worthwhile for your character
* Oh yeah... and they must roll the top tier version of that affix

Each layer of randomness builds on each other making it nearly impossible to get a perfectly rolled item. Have you even seen a perfectly rolled item even in the AH? I haven't.

It's a fine line. If you make it too random players aren't happy because they find crap loot. However, if you give the players loot too quickly, players become bored with the game. The next patch is eliminating one layer of randomness so maybe that will be enough for people unhappy about the loot.

The random loot + difficulty of Inferno seems to be the issue a lot of you in this thread have with the game. Instead of bringing up those issues though for some reason you go on a crusade about the AH. Does it really matter though? 1.0.5 is decreasing difficulty and increasing drops. Your issue will be fixed so turn those frowns upside down

The Diablo series has always been about non bound loot so of course the most optimal way will ALWAYS be to trade. The AH doesn't change that... it's how the series is designed. If you don't like that, Diablo isn't for you.

Get more MF and stop complaining.

Quote from ballon

Quote from Ruppgu

The difference is that it's the 1.0.4 changes multiplied by 4 or 5. Not only does it not fix the problem with loot, it's using a 1000 ton mallet instead of a hammer.

The problem with the loot in D3 is not that you don't get good items. The problem is that you have to wade through hundreds of crappy items before you find anything that is remotely worthwhile. It's not fun to ID a full inventory of rares and know that each one is likely worthless. I would much rather have items drop at a FAR less frequency but have a better chance at actually being worthwhile for players.

This change is just increasing the number of crappy items we get. The net result will be more items that are usable and therefore people will get upgrades quicker but it's not fun to pick up 50 items a minute and have to wade through them every few minutes. The loot problem had a few issues but the solution they're attempting here is only making the problem worse. I don't want more drops, I want less drops with higher quality. I don't like feeling like I'm collecting trash.

The problem is: there's no ladder in D3 (yet). Thus if we "all" (Joe Average, not somebody playing 600++ hours) can manage to find decent items there's no reason to use the (RM)AH (and no $$$ for Blizzard).

Item dropchance decrease: there's a guaranteed item on every champion pack, what's about that? With your gear you should be able to kill on pack every <2 minutes. If Blizzard reduces the randomness in item generation the market will be flooded with neat 4 stat rares in no times and only the totally dedicated/"addicted" will hunt for 'perfect' 6 stat drops. Imagine every weapon rolling +elemental damage (or %enhanced damage) and every other item rolling +all resistance (or vita?). You'd need to decrease the amount of champs or no longer guarantee the rare drop on 5th stack of NV, well you'd basically have to change the whole (drop-)game.

The difference between D3 and eg Torchlight 2, you can beat TL2 with the stuff you found. That's because the developer probably assumed that you won't trade with somebody else and don't mule stuff on an alt. In D3 there's the AH from the start, they assume that you can trade with everyone.

There are several things Blizzard can (should?) to do to create a more worthwhile experience. They proceeded with some ideas in 1.0.5 and from our feedback they'll develop further changes. I'd prefer having more gold dropped after lvl 60 (or hitting a checkbox somewhere) instead of white/blue items because it's highly unlikely i'll bring those to a vendor, just walking over an additional stackpile of gold isn't that hard on the other hand. An 'idenfity all' button with the new changes will be a highly demanded change for sure. Sadly that's no D3 beta and it will take several more month (year[s]?) until D3 is at a place where it should be from our general point of view. They underestimated our dedication, the influence of the AH (as stated in a bluepost shortly after launch) and much more - but they won't/can't change the game entirely over night.

And please don't forget: if you can get excellent drops in only a couple of hours, why bother logging in every other day? This game is designed to last a decade (well, the items only until the addon hits somewhat 2014ish).

You completely missed my point.

I wasn't asking for quicker drops, I was asking for less drops but a higher percentage of drops that are worthwhile.

For example, currently you could farm for an hour and get 100 rares.. 1 of them is worthwhile. I think a better system would be you farm for an hour, you get 50 rares and 1 is worthwhile. What would this system do? You'll have more hope that a rare is actually worthwhile and you'll be more happy when they drop.

Quote from ballon

Quote from Ruppgu

I think this change combined with the rest of the patch will destroy the economy. The rare market is going to crash hard.

Monster level 1 is easier than the current game, so basically this change means ANYONE in Inferno gets Act 3 droprates and ilvl 63 affixes on all items.

And that's different from the last 4.5 months in what way? They already helped us out greatly with ilvl 61-62 weapons (patch 1.0.4) and as the games goes on it's only naturally that only the best pieces increase in value while the rest gets cheaper and affordable for everyone and even newcomers. Actually we need more of those toprolled rares to compete with the mass of mediocre legendaries and sets floating the AH.

An example, just think back at the start of the game. Only a few people could farm A3/4 inferno and sold lots of blue high dps weapons, about a month later everyone could farm the area and blue weapons wouldn't sell for a dime. Now look at the rare market today, unless a piece got at least 100+ main attribute and a socket (or crit damage or loh or lifesteal for that matter) you probably can't even sell it for 100k even with a solid 900 dps for an onehander. Think back of D2, at the start of a ladder season you could make a solid profit of a Harle - after a week or two people will start selling it for perfect gems...

The difference is that it's the 1.0.4 changes multiplied by 4 or 5. Not only does it not fix the problem with loot, it's using a 1000 ton mallet instead of a hammer.

The problem with the loot in D3 is not that you don't get good items. The problem is that you have to wade through hundreds of crappy items before you find anything that is remotely worthwhile. It's not fun to ID a full inventory of rares and know that each one is likely worthless. I would much rather have items drop at a FAR less frequency but have a better chance at actually being worthwhile for players.

This change is just increasing the number of crappy items we get. The net result will be more items that are usable and therefore people will get upgrades quicker but it's not fun to pick up 50 items a minute and have to wade through them every few minutes. The loot problem had a few issues but the solution they're attempting here is only making the problem worse. I don't want more drops, I want less drops with higher quality. I don't like feeling like I'm collecting trash.

Quote from overneathe

Quote from Ruppgu

I think it's up to 4 things now... I think Blizzard is monitoring my thoughts.

Elaborate.

I went through and read my older posts (pretty funny to do btw, I highly suggest it). Here we go..

1a) Inferno is going to hit too hard and ranged will be 1 shot and it will be lame (http://www.diablofan...post__p__851129)
1b) Pets will be worthless with those damage numbers (http://www.diablofan...post__p__853446)
2) CCs will be too weak->Should do diminishing returns instead (http://www.diablofan...post__p__827179)
3) No one will group because of the scaling damage of monsters in inferno (http://www.diablofan...post__p__864300)
4) No one will group because of the insane monster health scaling in inferno (http://www.diablofan...post__p__864943)
5) People won't want to group due to MF sharing (http://www.diablofan...047#entry785047)

Hire me blizzard :Thumbs Up:

i had troubles with reflect damage mobs too (MP7)....I was dealing with them by using RoT with 850 LoH (which is pretty good at negating the reflect damage, but it takes so freaking long.)

So i decided try another tactic. (I'm mainly a bear WD)
And i found a pretty decent way to deal with it.

I used Spirit Barrage with Phlebotomize. That 3% life back on damage is a godsend. It usually heals me for like 1500 Non-crit, and reflect damage usually deal like 2000. So it's pretty much negated...

However, that is not enough. You also need to be able to sustain your health pool. RoT was my old way to sustain my health pool, but it was doing poorly against single target (and freaking low damage).
Phlebotomize spirit barrage heals spike when i crit (ranges to 3000-6000 life). It's not as good as RoT w/ LoH in groups, but it's better on single target.

And i dont even have any gears that have life leech....I'll bet if I invest in life leech, (2 hander a waste imo, go 1h/mojo!), I will be able to do MP10 reflect damage mobs

Just my 2-cents.

(i wanted to post my profile...but I cant post links til I have 10 posts...=(...)
Copy paste and remove the space right after 'http'
(http ://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BrainlessAnt-1182/hero/5155284)

If anything I would have raised the damage and lowered the HP pools slightly. the 25% dmg reduction was their original intention as they had said before the patch...however I was under the impression it would just be implemented when 1.05 came out.

I really don't see this as being a needed change...dmg wasn't the problem at all it was more just taking 'x' amount of time to kill the mobs due to high HP pools.

What a waste.

Quote from GalZohar

Forcing us to trade instead of using the AH would make Diablo 3 at least 10 times worse than it currently is, because instead of spending 1/2 our time on the AH to be optimal, we'd need to spend a lot more than 1/2 our time trading to achieve something.

If you have to spend "half" of your time on the AH to "be optimal" then you're doing it wrong - in a game where efficiency is a key concept the thought that people are spending such a disproportionate amount of time in the AH to gear up is nothing short of unsubstantiated and ridiculous. I can honestly say that I've spent under 1% of my total time playing in the AH and my toon is certainly not "the best" but it is a very viable toon in the current game.

However, you're right that the AH is a significant step forward from the D2 method when it comes to allowing people to exchange items while attempting to maximize the time they actually spend playing the game. This is obviously a design goal. They clearly want us playing the game, not running to Pindle, killing him, ignoring all the loot, leaving the game, creating a new game, etc., and that obviously extends to the method of item exchange. The AH (especially for sellers) is a much more passive endeavor than trading in D2 ever was. This is HIGHLY beneficial to people who are primarily selling and a huge improvement from the past. Is the AH perfect? Certainly not, but in terms of affording people the ability to enjoy the game without spending hours trying to trade that Trang'oul's chestpiece for something else it's an amazing success.

The problem is that it's also an obvious design decision that items in the Diablo franchise will be tradeable and won't decay (outside of inactive accounts and hardcore deaths). The fact that it's been a cognizant decision on Blizzard's part (since Diablo 1, through Diablo 3) to allow 99.999999% of items to be traded means that they want item exchange to occur. People who don't embrace that very fundamental design decision and then complain that their toons will not be optimal are being not only childish but ignorant.

If you wanted to be optimal in D2 you didn't fart around trying to find every last piece of gear for yourself. That's obviously the least-optimal way to play a game where the obvious inference is that damn near everything is tradeable. Yet time and time again, people cry about the AH saying they're "forced" to use it. Yet somehow people believe that in D3 they should be able to be "optimal" and also not have to use the AH at the same time. That is precisely what the saying "having your cake and eating it too" refers to.

Just look at Torchlight 2. It may be fun short-term, but the game was hacked to pieces within a few days. It's not a successful long-term paradigm to allow people to get what they want when they want it with zero challenge. I had been on a legendary cold streak recently. I found a Stormshield last night. My WD wants nothing to do with a Stormshield but I was still excited about it. It's no different than had I found a Windforce on my Necro in D2. My Necro didn't want a WF, but I sure as shit would have been happy as hell to find a WF regardless of if I could equip it or if I had to trade it for gear that I could equip. If I found 18 legendaries per day the only thing I'd be excited about is a perfect Stormshield. Is that really the game people want? Why people think that it's not enjoyable to find an awesome item that you cannot utilize, but can exchange for another item that you can utilize.... well that's beyond me because that's the essence of how a game with completely randomized and completely tradeable loot works. That's the heart of the design going back to the very first game. It was the heart of the design of the beloved D2 and LoD teams. It's the heart of the series.

At lot of people are missing the point. I don't think any sane person who understands anything about this game says that it would be better with no AH even though you can still trade stuff. Removing AH and letting you still trade will just make the current situation 100 times worse. Instead of spending 50% of your time on the AH, you'd have to spend 95% of it trading if not more. That is if you want to be efficient, which is something most would want in a game where efficiency is the only real goal as stated by the developers. They are too incompetent/ignorant to give us real challenges, while keeping efficiency as an important factor without discouraging us from taking on said challenges.

Changes to drop rates or affix rolls of any kind will fix nothing. They will change the difficulty of the game, which won't matter much as it just changes how easy it is (it is already quite easy). However you will still need to spend a huge portion of your time on the AH (or trading if AH didn't exist) in order to be efficient. There is no fix for that other than adopting a WoW-like system, which they wouldn't do - Some argue because of RMAH, some (and Blizzard) would argue that it's what players want and is more D2-style (which may be the real reason but a pretty stupid reason in my opinion).


In the end the problem is not the AH itself, but rather the fact anything can be traded.


As for finding your own upgrades on a regular basis, unfortunately no matter what they do this is not going to happen. If you keep finding upgrades on a regular basis your stats will eventually explode beyond all proportions. The rate at which you find upgrades has to decrease the longer you play. No way around that unless they want to allow you to get infinite power. This doesn't have anything to do with AH, trading, or even how loot works at all. It's a fact that won't be changed in any way whatsoever. Then again, I think what people complain about more is that they can't find "upgrades that would make them as godly as the top players" often, which is not the same argument, but then again if the whole purpose of the game is upgrading your gear to massively increasing rarity levels so that you always have something to upgrade, then you simply can't be allowed to find such items on a regular basis, because then they won't be so godly anymore.

The AH-haters are very well entitled to their feelings on the subject, just the same as anyone else.

However, the line must be drawn when they play the "father knows best" card and simultaneously say that it's bad because they don't find it fun and that anyone who finds it fun is not allowed to have that opinion.

The only opinions that are not valid are the ones where people are completely and utterly disrespectful of the fact that they are not the only people playing this game. You dislike the AH? Great. Voice it in a constructive way. Whining, crying, and calling anyone who disagrees with you a "cheater" or "not a true fan" really should result in infractions.

I'm simply incredulous at the number of people who want to so vhemently force their opinion down everyone elses throat because the only invalid opinions are of those who disagree with them.

Why is it that in the context of the conversation that "the AH sucks" is a fact and "the AH isn't so bad" is completely invalid? It's complete ignorance, lack of civility, and downright intolerance like that which have driven me from the forums. There's a difference between constructively expressing ones opinions and being completely disrespectful of the fact that others will not agree with your opinions, but that simply disagreeing with you is not cause to judge their opinions as invalid.

None of your opinions are more "right" than the others are. No matter how badly you may believe that your feeling that the AH molested your sister is correct, it's just a stupid, shitty, opinion and opinions on the internet are worth less than Frostburn Gauntlets.

Quote from Ruppgu

I'm not sure why people do these videos. It's not like what he did in the video takes any skill. Once you get a certain amount of gear, this is what happens. Especially siegebreaker, lol... he's serious buisness.

Allow me to explain then. First i had all this same gear when i beat the game, sans the weapon. And it wasnt anywhere near this easy before the pet buff in 1.04, i had to kite him around and it wasnt a joke like it is in the vid. Again im not trying to show off any skill. But as i read forums and see people still having issues with a3 and beyond, i post vids like this to show how easy it can be with avg DPS, HP and Resists, if you just spec correctly for the fight. Most importantly its to show other WD's how much pets can truly do. When the patch first hit I just stuck to farming A1/A2 with VQ and bears. Honestly i was unwilling to let go of PtV, VQ and BBV, I thought pets would be horrible, but after much reluctance i tried A3 like this and now thats all i farm. So thanks for all the replies even if they were negative.

All apologetics aside, i feel for the OP. I dont care if hes not at the cap yet or if hes got 6mos to worry about it. Its the long slow death of magic find as i see it. I played D2 for around 10 years, with the intent to play this game as long as possible, so yes, maybe its going to be a few months or a year before all MF is equal among top end game players, but thats like the first 1/10th of my future D3 carrer. So potentially the overwhelming majority of my D3 life will have been spent MF capped. Im not cool with that, sorry.

I don't think Blizzard is that stupid.

I see your argument; and raise you "ilevel 51 dropping in Act 3".

Quote from Ruppgu

I'm a bit split on their design of not nerfing any abilities. On one hand, it's nice that they aren't touching builds that people currently find enjoyable. However, on the other hand, if they truely want build diversity, you need to nerf things. Battle Rage is a perfect example... it's just too powerful and is something you pretty much always want in your build.

Either way, I think a few of the mentioned buffs to skills seem a bit too much. 400% damage on smash? Are you kidding me?

Battle Rage is not used in every build. A better example would be Warcry with the resist rune.

Of course this post will come with many many people saying "They said inferno would be hard, now its nerfed to the ground!"

Well.. I agree somewhat, but when you read between the lines, I think what they are actually saying is this:

"Look guys, inferno was a bad idea - we meant it to be a flat always hard difficutly, we found out that wouldn't work in testing, but we knew we couldn't remove it because people would have a fit if we removed ANOTHER feature. A side problem was our original intent for END GAME was inferno - well with inferno not working out how we wan't we no longer have an end game - but we're working on that. Here are some changes to make the game play more like it should with out the concept of inferno - stay tuned for more changes to totally fix the game"

Thats what I read. I think the part of me that wants to see a hard game is sad at how easy a time I'll have on my monk in Inferno - It will be face melting hilarity.. but then.. thats what D2 was and I loved it! I don't need 5 min champ pack fights - I need fun REWARDING demon melting fun. I think this all sounds like a good first step to that goal.

The Weapon Damage on i lvl 61-62 increase thing is AWESOME. Not only will it make finding weapons more exciting, it will make crafting weapons worthwhile.

So, this is a great first step - I feel like this hits the nail on the head as far as a "look the game is messed up, we can't make it perfect fast (ie in 1 patch) but we are doing these things to make it as good as possible in its current state"

Bravo imo - looking forward to playing again.