When the RMAH was launched, I put in $20, bought some gems, then converted those gems into gold. I played for a few months, got to paragon... maybe 20 or so on one character, then quit (never did I find an item drop in game remotely close to anything I had ever "found" on the AH). I played the AH off and on rarely, just to see if I could snipe anything and have some fun with good / better items, because I knew if I ever came back I wanted to have some gold to mess around with.
With the announcement of ROS I was skeptical, but with 2.0 I got hooked I started playing vigorously again. All that being said, I only write you that little narrative give a small synopsis of how much I played for what is coming next. All in all I had about... 100 hours "played" (not sure if sitting on the AH with a character selected counts as play time, but I don't think so). Not so much for a game been out for almost 2 years.
In the last couple weeks, I started playing HC, and cashing out pretty much everything I had on SC through selling gems on the RMAH. I ended up getting about $50 back, (netting $30). I say this not to brag that I made a little money, but to paint a picture that someone playing casually and not really with any intent to try and make money, ended up getting close to paying for the expansion for "free." (I did have fun while playing with friends, so I consider it to be free)
So my question to you good people -- Did anyone actually attempt to make money the whole time D3 was out? Because... there seemed to be a HUGE opportunity to make some real money for those with enough time and patience. Sniping auctions, creating arbitrage through gems (when the prices dropped) before the market can catch up, buying thousands of flawless diamonds for 62 each the first day they came on the market and then selling them for 200k a pop. I'd love to hear how you filled your pockets based on dumb people's auctions.
We can call it... Diablo's lifestyles of the rich and shameless?
Post your stories! Anyone who's made over $100, post the screen shot of your RMAH transaction window so we can measure your gaming economics epeen. Have fun!
Edit: Not sure how to post pictures here ---http://postimg.org/image/6u62kf36x/ (reason I have 30 on b.net balance instead of 50, I got the bright idea to try and put stuff on the RMAH after I had preordered, d3... so I just upgraded my reg game for the $20 extra deluxe)
Personally. Do what is fun. If you grind para and hate it or get burned out, imo that will detract from your longevity of the game. When I'm having fun I level faster... Or more so time flies by faster. Time flies when you are having fun. Just my opinion.
Originally I was just picking them up to sell them. But when blues (in beta) sell for 60+ and whites sell for 4-6... its really not worth it to pick it up. So later on you have to imagine... blues maybe selling for 4-500? (possibly more) and whites might sell for 10-20? if you are about to TP back to sell it might be worth it to sell, but otherwise really not worth it.
And out of curiosity, what makes you think that not everyone would just wear MF gear if it doesn't nerf you by that much anyway?
Because the masses are retarded. Its the same reason why people think they can still pull the same dps with MF as someone without MF who is leeching their MF. I do see the problem with your own MF, however there is also a problem with it being divided equally.
Compromise. Let people put their money where their mouth is. It would reward people who have "killing power," the original basis of the entire argument.
I'm not going to give this guy the benefit of quoting his post to allow the screaming to continue. But as to the, "Magic find is not being a free stat." No one has ever said its a free stat. But lets see if you can follow me here.
It has 6 stats on it. Lets say that of our 2 items, 5 of the stats are the exactly the same. We're both wizards for simplicity. If you need to see the list of current affixes go for it: http://diablonut.incgamers.com/affixes
Lets say this item has: 5 offensive affixes and +MF on mine, and 6 offensive affixes on yours, but ATM there don't even seem to be 6 offensive affixes, so your 6th is globe radius or even a defensive stat.
Its true that MF is not free, but given the alternatives, you can trade a stat for MF and still have the same killing power.
case in point....hey guys herpty derp, if I outgear people, herp, then I do the same dmg, derp, so I deserve more loots!!
Ohh wait, thats right that didn't always hold true even before things were averaged. Ohh and ya know there is another problem, ya know like how you set the scenario up on a false pretense, you outgear everyone else....
troll much?
It's quite obvious he's not saying he out gears anyone or anything like that, in fact he's using the same exact item to compare. so if you guys were naked wearing only that helm, he'd have more MF and you'd pick up health globes from further away. You guys kill at the same speed, he has a better chance to get a blue, and you'll steal that health globe from him.
only read the first page and a half, and it's almost glaringly obvious that you're trolling hard. Either that or you're dumb.
Ok, let me whip out the crayons.
This is like 1+1 = 2 folks....
If he has 5 good stats + 1 MF and the other guy has only 5 good stats, then yah, he outgears him. How is this hard? Now that we have confirmed that 5 = 5, amazing I know, we can now clearly see that he based his scenario on a false premise.
Its just a poor attempt to circumnavigate around the real point, that you have to give up something in order to get MF. An accurate assessment would have you at 5 good stas + 1 MF, and the other equally geared person with 6 good stats.
6>5, thus he helps the group kill rate and/or survival more than you, whilst you help get better items.
I think that is a valid point. I was actually going to go with the 6 Offensive vs 5 Offensive and 1 MF, but I started looking at the current data mined affixes... http://diablonut.incgamers.com/affixes. Hopefully there will be more when the game is released, but when I was quicky going over it, I couldn't find 6 legitimate Offensive affixes. But on your point, sure, playing optimally the person with 6 offensive affixes vs 5 offensive affixes in theory can pump out more damage, but in that same regard, if they aren't playing to your same skill level why should they be rewarded?
I'm not going to give this guy the benefit of quoting his post to allow the screaming to continue. But as to the, "Magic find is not being a free stat." No one has ever said its a free stat. But lets see if you can follow me here.
It has 6 stats on it. Lets say that of our 2 items, 5 of the stats are the exactly the same. We're both wizards for simplicity. If you need to see the list of current affixes go for it: http://diablonut.incgamers.com/affixes
Lets say this item has: 5 offensive affixes and +MF on mine, and 6 offensive affixes on yours, but ATM there don't even seem to be 6 offensive affixes, so your 6th is globe radius or even a defensive stat.
Its true that MF is not free, but given the alternatives, you can trade a stat for MF and still have the same killing power.
If a player with high mf does more than his share of the damage on a given monster, he gets to keep his full MF on said monster.
This. I don't know why there can't be a meet in the middle solution. People who are for averaging MF basically come out with a straw man saying "If you are going for MF you have 0 dps, if you go for offensive stats you 1 shot everything."
At high end gear levels, the difference might be 1-2 hits, if that. Again, we aren't talking blues with MF only as the stats, we are talking rares and legendaries with offensive stats with the added bonus of MF.
Yours has 5 offensive stats and 1 stat thats +gold find, +health globe radius, +thorns, (light radius, jokez) or possibly another stat that is less optimal and mine has MF.
Remind me again, how do you do have more "killing power" than I do?
Sorry if there is another topic on this, I attempted to search but wasn't able to find anything on it.
What are your thoughts? These are mine:
Not to spark politics (or even my jaded views on them), but grouping in D3 and averaging MF, is pretty much like a socialist economy, - "We share all the benefits regardless of participation." Where solo play = capitalism, in that "you eat what you kill."
In the grand scheme of things if you have friends of the same skill / gear as yourself then ultimately this doesn't matter but with the current collective averaging of MF, there is a lack of incentive to group with random players.
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With the announcement of ROS I was skeptical, but with 2.0 I got hooked I started playing vigorously again. All that being said, I only write you that little narrative give a small synopsis of how much I played for what is coming next. All in all I had about... 100 hours "played" (not sure if sitting on the AH with a character selected counts as play time, but I don't think so). Not so much for a game been out for almost 2 years.
In the last couple weeks, I started playing HC, and cashing out pretty much everything I had on SC through selling gems on the RMAH. I ended up getting about $50 back, (netting $30). I say this not to brag that I made a little money, but to paint a picture that someone playing casually and not really with any intent to try and make money, ended up getting close to paying for the expansion for "free." (I did have fun while playing with friends, so I consider it to be free)
So my question to you good people -- Did anyone actually attempt to make money the whole time D3 was out? Because... there seemed to be a HUGE opportunity to make some real money for those with enough time and patience. Sniping auctions, creating arbitrage through gems (when the prices dropped) before the market can catch up, buying thousands of flawless diamonds for 62 each the first day they came on the market and then selling them for 200k a pop. I'd love to hear how you filled your pockets based on dumb people's auctions.
We can call it... Diablo's lifestyles of the rich and shameless?
Post your stories! Anyone who's made over $100, post the screen shot of your RMAH transaction window so we can measure your gaming economics epeen.
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Is it a part of the atmosphere?
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GL botting in HC D3 and having a graveyard full of champions.
Banning bot accounts means those "companies" buy more copies of the game. Blizzard makes more money.
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Because the masses are retarded. Its the same reason why people think they can still pull the same dps with MF as someone without MF who is leeching their MF. I do see the problem with your own MF, however there is also a problem with it being divided equally.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4138436108?page=1
Compromise. Let people put their money where their mouth is. It would reward people who have "killing power," the original basis of the entire argument.
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I think that is a valid point. I was actually going to go with the 6 Offensive vs 5 Offensive and 1 MF, but I started looking at the current data mined affixes... http://diablonut.incgamers.com/affixes. Hopefully there will be more when the game is released, but when I was quicky going over it, I couldn't find 6 legitimate Offensive affixes. But on your point, sure, playing optimally the person with 6 offensive affixes vs 5 offensive affixes in theory can pump out more damage, but in that same regard, if they aren't playing to your same skill level why should they be rewarded?
That's why I have slowly adjusted my position to HeyseusKristos's point. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4138436108?page=1
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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/artisan/blacksmith/recipe/exalted-grand-sovereign-helm We're both wearing this same helm.
It has 6 stats on it. Lets say that of our 2 items, 5 of the stats are the exactly the same. We're both wizards for simplicity. If you need to see the list of current affixes go for it: http://diablonut.incgamers.com/affixes
Lets say this item has: 5 offensive affixes and +MF on mine, and 6 offensive affixes on yours, but ATM there don't even seem to be 6 offensive affixes, so your 6th is globe radius or even a defensive stat.
Its true that MF is not free, but given the alternatives, you can trade a stat for MF and still have the same killing power.
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This. I don't know why there can't be a meet in the middle solution. People who are for averaging MF basically come out with a straw man saying "If you are going for MF you have 0 dps, if you go for offensive stats you 1 shot everything."
At high end gear levels, the difference might be 1-2 hits, if that. Again, we aren't talking blues with MF only as the stats, we are talking rares and legendaries with offensive stats with the added bonus of MF.
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There is so much 1 dimensional thinking here. Lets say we are both wearing this. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/artisan/blacksmith/recipe/exalted-grand-sovereign-helm
Yours has 5 offensive stats and 1 stat thats +gold find, +health globe radius, +thorns, (light radius, jokez) or possibly another stat that is less optimal and mine has MF.
Remind me again, how do you do have more "killing power" than I do?
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What are your thoughts? These are mine:
Not to spark politics (or even my jaded views on them), but grouping in D3 and averaging MF, is pretty much like a socialist economy, - "We share all the benefits regardless of participation." Where solo play = capitalism, in that "you eat what you kill."
In the grand scheme of things if you have friends of the same skill / gear as yourself then ultimately this doesn't matter but with the current collective averaging of MF, there is a lack of incentive to group with random players.
How do you feel about averaging Magic Find?