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You could put 1600 hours into a job and make way more money. I have a very hard time believing that you played 1600 hours in search of an item that you will sell for a few hundred bucks if that. You should have quit at 150 hours if you weren't having fun. Your argument is almost impossible to side with because your logic is so flawed.

Video games are supposed to be fun, yes that is about your only valid point. However you were not having fun playing Diablo III yet can justify playing 1600 hours by saying you were hunting for item worth a few hundred dollars. I helped me neighbor clean his office for 3 hours and he gave me $100. A minimum wage retail job will give you about $120 for like 20 hours of work per week.

By the way gold on the RMAH has been worthless since last July. People have claimed gold sales have not moved in months because the RMAH was far more expensive than 3rd party sites. 25 cents for 1 mil is a joke. That's why they moved it up to 10 million. You could have put your 1 billion up and you still would have been angry.

I want a FoS =(

Maybe I misunderstood the concept you laid out. I think game tags for Ubers is good. However I think there will still be conflicts when it comes to machines, maybe require a machine to enter the game. So although 4 machines would be used in a 4 player game, everyone contributed equally. Also in a two player game, just let open two portals.

Sorry OP, I did misunderstand the concept.

Did want to point out though, if you're looking for a carry the battle.net forums are a great place to find a carry.

I don't know about this one. I've supported queuing systems in mmos because in an MMO it is required you have a tank, healer, and 2-4 dps. It is much harder to find those specific people. In Diablo there are no assigned roles, everyone contributes equally. Also, you do not need 4 people to complete anything in this game.

Also, part of completing ubers is the fact that it is required to complete the infernal machines. If the group is 4 people how is it decided what machine to use. Also, if there are two people in the group only - who gets stuck using two machines? Why would I want to use my two machines when this random pug can use two machines?

The more I think about it the more I am against it. It's not very "Diablo". This is too "MMO". I think it's great that fans are suggesting a lot of good ideas however a lot of the even well thought out ones that include fancy photo shops I don't even like. They are mostly MMO based concepts. For example I really hate the idea of in game hubs.

The greatest thing about Diablo for me is the fact that I am not forced to do anything. I can kill ubers alone or with 3 other people, or somewhere in between. I think a queuing system limits that freedom and creates conflicts among machine use.

My last point is that this makes ubers too accessible as well. The MMO market has now catered to accessibility rather than challenge, and well the MMO market is dying (it's not just WoW). The demand from players to have everything easily accessible is taking away from long term accomplishments. Diablo 3 players complain already about being bored, if ubers are made more accessible the desire to continue to gear will go away followed by the desire to even play. Sorry I just think this is not a step in the right direction for this game.

Quote from maka

I feel like all you had to do was wait a bit (like a day) and you'd know why gem prices were that high. You'd avoid all this mess.

I don't blame someone for selling gems really. Even though the game is new, in other game economies it is not uncommon at all for certain items to increase in value for whatever particular reason after a patch. I at first assumed it had to do with the patch, although I was puzzled as to what in the patch would require such a demand for radiant star rubies. I then realized via forums that it was a result of the gold dupe. I personally only sold one gem because I was way late to the party and the AH was shut down right after I had sold my first. I feel fortunate however because it did not result in me facing a ban. Edit: I was aware of the gold dupe at the time I sold my gem, when you don't play a lot of hours you kind of got to take advantage. I suppose selling gems could be considered part of the exploit but there are many people who don't read forums or use chat channels. As I stated above, it's very possible SOME people were unaware and thought it was a result of the patch.

I made 70 million gold. There were people who made over 500 billion by selling gems.

Festering and Leorics is the best way to build 5 stacks. I don't go into Fields of Misery or Hallow before I have 5 stacks.

Quote from izzigoin

"small number of players exploited a bug to duplicate gold"

I laughed at this one. It's not like Blizzard gonna admit that the economy was ruined and tons of gold went god knows where. Lots of people who weren't even duping bought and sold items left and right making billions. All i see in this post is some bs for gullible ones. Even more funny are the people who still blindly defend Blizzards failtrain after all the sh** that happened since release.

I think you're gullible for thinking the economy was ruined and still believing this game is a "failtrain".

Group. I don't have any math or logs or anything, I'm not into that. All I know is that I've gained more exp per run in a group than I do solo.

I don't think so. I don't believe there is any "maintenance" involved at this point. That was likely concluded yesterday morning at the latest. At this point it's about freezing gold transactions in all forms in order to keep the duped gold in one place.

Even though the AH has caused problems for the game I don't believe removing it is the best solution. Limiting its function or discouraging use however is appropriate. I however believe their first attempt at AH discouragement (BoA gear/recipes) is the wrong way to approach it.

I'm curious. Are you a streamer? I've just had two things to say directly to the D3 community and maybe this thread will be my opportunity. Also if you are a streamer, which I believe you to because of your anonymity, it's probably best if you reveal your identity, I believe people would respect you a lot more and accept your apology with greater sincerity. Anyways on to my points:

For some reason, I somewhat loathe the streaming community I guess you can call it. I don't directly intend to hate on streamers, I just find this whole fascination and fanboism surrounding streamers mind boggling. I can't imagine watching somebody farm Act 3 over and over again. Yet people seem to enjoy their certain streamers, which may be caused by frequent giveaways etc. I bring streaming up because I believe this idea caught fire via streams. That many streamers were showing people how to do it and making mockery of the situation. "LOL look how dumb Blizzard are". Then streamers got banned and there was an uproar. Streamers are nobody special, they are people who attempt to make a name for themselves within the gaming community and use advertising/other means to gain about the same money they would earn working a minimum wage retail job, if that. Yet when they are banned people jump on Blizzard and make claims like "this is their job!" "this is how they make their living!". No, that's a choice, and that bedroom they are streaming from probably belongs to their mother or uncle. They deserve a ban more than anybody for promoting exploitation. You'll see why I bring this up in my conclusion. Again, sorry for the streamer hate, it's not personal, and it's pointed toward the community and not the streamers themselves.

Secondly, this is NOT Blizzards mess. This is a community made mess. Why? In case you didn't know, maybe if you take your tinfoil hat off and think for a minute, Blizzard doesn't purposefully implement gold dupes. It is called a bug because it is an unintended problem. People took advantage of this bug and created the massive gold dupe. Having this mentality, which has existed for a year now of, "LOL this game is such a massive fuck up, look at this we can dupe gold in the AH, LOL LOL LOL". Immediately in chat channels in game and on forums people assumed there would be a roll back because it was Blizzards fault, and the time until Blizzard caught on was "LOL this game is such a fuck up, let's see how much gold I can dupe before the roll back LOLOLOL". Yes, ok, the bug is "Blizzards fault". The massive duping and assumption of no consequence is on the communities end.

I believe Blizzard took the most appropriate course of action by keeping the AH down to allow all auctions to expire. If you think about it, this may actually help the economy. Attempting to remove all the duped gold is likely one of the biggest pains in the ass ever and as OP said, kudos to Blizzard for doing that. A rollback would have caused 1000x more damage and tarnish on this game than this gold dupe did. The gold dupe will be a blip on the radar in a few months. I hope Blizzard keeps everyone who exploited this banned.

Hopefully the community learned their lesson. I seriously think this community is worse than WoW. I know it sounds weird, but Diablo III is real and everything is serious. The gold dupe did not exist to make a mockery of. Sorry for this post but I can barely comprehend this attitude that exists among the community toward each other and toward Blizzard. I'm in honest belief that 90% of this community was born after the original Diablo was released. There is so much of a lack of people thinking for themselves and the ability to form ones own opinion. I feel as if the players are mindless drones programmed to spew senseless hate.

its cause of the bug. will probably be back to normal when AH is sorted out.

edit: They trying to contain the gold, prevent dupers from moving it to other accounts etc.

Haven't really followed this thread, only read a few replies and kind of just replying to the general consensus of the situation.

I don't think this is anywhere near the end of the world. It will be a big issue for two days, and in a month nobody will care. If blizzard is telling the truth about the duping being minimal, than they should able to target and ban the exploiters. I know there is this idea that "everyone was doing it". Everyone was selling gems. I also think people overestimate how many people had glorious amounts of Radiant star gems to sell. Not everyone in this game has hundreds of radiant stars floating around. Although yes, there are some people that do.

There will certainly be inflation for a while, but nothing economy destroying. And it will die down after a bit.

This is just like Error 37. A big deal for two days, but weeks later nobody really cared. It will be a thing when your in skype/vent with your buddies farming in the next expansion saying "oh yeah remember how good this game used to be, lol and remember that gold dupe? that was funny".

This is what my group has been doing, which has been great.

Start in festering woods and you should get 4-5 stacks.
Move to Leroics Manor, clear it (there is now an elite in there always like before)
Continue to clear Leorics Hunting grounds
Weeping Hallow (we stopped after checking cemetery for elites)
Fields of Misery.

Also, turn up the MP to the point where you are plowing through whites. So MP will vary by gear. I also strongly recommend a farming partner for the exp buff. The more the merrier as they say.

We tried a few areas outside of what I listed

Halls of Agony/Cursed Hold: While it felt buffed it didn't feel worth running.
Defiled Crypts: We only tried these once but also we didn't feel they were worth running. May try again
Pony Level: Density is certainly buffed but it makes my eyes bleed so I'm leaving it out of our run. Worth considering though.

We only played on MP3 so that could explain lower density compared to other groups. Again, I'm not all for the MP0-1 craze. If you're geared enough MP3 should feel the same as MP0. And that doesn't require amazing gear, if I can do it.

Quote from BlacKcuD

Only very small minimal quality of life changes. Why wasn´t this in the game a year ago? I am so disappointed I guess it´s path of exile from now. I know it takes time to get everything set and done when applying even small changes, but imho some larger changes are needed to get Diablo III back on track. This saddens my heart

I know it's hard to believe but they can't do it all in one day. There will be no miracle patch. It's piece by piece as it has been for the last year and the game has improved greatly.

Actually I'm not even sure this is a serious post, these notes have been around for weeks, even a month.

As other have said, it's in their plans. Along with the changes to Archon

Quote from momonami5

If they go through with it , will just quit the game to be honest.. I don't wanna play wizard to be fast.

I think that's really lame. Barbarian will still be fast and OP even with any changes to WoTB:TOC. Just slightly less OP than before.