I'll never understand why [for some people] it is mandatory for a build to have permanence in order to be a 'true' build...
'True' seems to become a catchword in Diablo related topics [true blizzard fan, true pvper, true hardcore player, true diablo 2 player, ..you know how it goes]
oh yeah, and though I agree with the OP, he is a troll. and a successful one
and yet people complain about blizzard giving the 'choice' to stick with one set of skills or change between them freely.
goes to show that you can't satisfy everyone
while I normally support blizzard's stance in taking their time for perfection, at this point, it just seems that they're doing a lot of unnecessary nit-picking
Disclaimer : the info that is going to be presented is in no way related to the release date and is purely extra info for those who are curious.
The first thing to look in the issue is to look at the definition of the word that the GRB used
사행성
means to expect/want some kind of profit by a chance of luck
now, you can see here that this definition does not fully match the definition of gambling which implies a stake or risk.
The actual translation of gambling in Korean is 도박
Then why has 사행성 been translated into gambling?
First reason: There really isn't any word in English that exactly matches the meaning of 사행성
Second reason: One thing that can be observed in all languages in the world is that, as time passes, some words will be used to express things that aren't exactly as the original definition implies. And this is what happened with 사행성. Although the strict definition of the word has not changed, the actual usage in every-day life has been changed to become synonymous with 도박 or 'gambling'.
Thus why 사행성 is translated into 'gambling'
Now this is where the problem arises.
Everyone in Korea [except the GRB when rating Diablo 3] has been using 사행성 as meaning gambling, not it's strict definition. Slot machines are [wrongly] called 사행성 games.The law against 사행성 for underage gamers has also been brought up with the inteded usage of 'gambling' which, again, is against the actual definition.
So under this situation it doesn't make any sense for the RMAH to be linked with 사행성. You can earn cash out of items that drop by chance but the time and money invested is not a stake but payment for enjoying the game.
BUT
The GRB has used the strict definition [which no one else was using] to link the RMAH with 사행성. Again, the original definition of 사행성 is expecting some kind of profit by chance and by this definition the RMAH does fall under the catagory of 사행성 because you can expect real money profit by a streak of luck.
But in the end, this is a laughable form of phail-logic because, by this definition, the entirety of any economic activity in a capitalist world can be branded as 사행성 and thus be branded as illegal.
So yeah, you guys can see what kind of dipwads the GRB is.
And Koreans with any knowledge about the gaming industry hates the GRB. Not only do they recieve unreasonably high fees for ratings that is on a wacky system based on the amount of data the game has, but they also force amateur games that are inteded to be distributed for free to get a rating thus pay the fee thus strangling any emerging developers. And yet they always seem to turn a blind eye for actual gambling games because they saturate the amount of data in their games to pay generous amounts of fees. And this is how it basically looks in picture http://ioniablog.com/508
you don't really need to understand Korean to see who's the 'GRB'
Edit : one important thing I forgot to mention. even if the phail logic with the definition of 사행성 was overlooked, it would still be phail because Diablo 3 applied for mature ratings thus bringing the game out of the scope of the new law. yet the GRB held their stance claiming that 'minors might play the game [despite the rating]'
[insert epic facepalm pic here]
From what I understand from the situation, the committe never revealed which day exactly they were gonna handle the rating. But, with meetings being held on wednesdays and fridays, people automatically assumed that it would be on wednesday.
Anyway, heres what little I know about the situation.
Before the current GRB came to place, the VRB[video rating board] has been in charge of the rating of games, movies, music etc. The reason the VRB was scrapped was because it was respondible for passing the game 'Seastory' http://cfs15.tistory...7/498acd1ccc62d
yeah, I know, most of the Korean populace was thinking the same thing. 'WTF?'
When the game became controversial due to illegal modifications investigations were put into place and.. as it turns out, there were bribes and manipulations of rules behind the passing of this 'legal slot machine' [which was responsible for wrecking several families] and thus the GRB was born and we can see here why it would be sensitive about issues that concern real money.
But this organization has also brought up some controversies of it's own.
First, the rating progress is overly complicated and the fees attached are unreasonably high, there is no clear guidlines in how a game is rated so there's no way for game companies to know if they have been rated fairly. And there's also the problem that this board is not really up to date on the fast paced change of the gaming industry.
Second, the board had promised to rate game only up to last year and transfer the rights to rate games to the public but they backed out of that promise and applied for a new budget last year and the national assembly approved it.
Furthermore, Blizzard could not have chosen a worse timing to bring up the RMAH in Korea [not that there's anything they could have done about the situation]
Last november, a new law was proposed that would illegalize any real money trade in games that underages are able to play. And yes, the [legal] real money trading sites are doing all they can to fight against this but things don't look bright for them. There was also an incident of a middle school student suicide to which games were somewhat related to during July.
So we pretty much have a really screwed up situation here, and the GRB isn't doing any help to make things less complicated.
You see Blizzard, being aware of the new law against underage real money trade, had applied for a mature rating for Diablo 3. And yet the GRB held the 'anti-gambling'stance claiming that those of underage 'might' still play the game.
Yeah, what kind of phail-logic is that? Why the f- do they rate games anyway if they're going to consider the possibility of someone underage playing despite the mature rating?
But nonetheless Diablo 3 has been dragged into the 'real money in games' issue and the GRB is in a tricky situation to try to prove the need of their existance through this issue.'
Some think that this is all because of bribes to protect the domestic game industry, some people think it's because of the lack of bribes on Blizzard's part.
But if the reason is the latter, I [a Korean if you haven't figured that out yet] personally hope that Blizzard will give the GRB a good ol middle finger and pass Korea. The worthless low-end bureaucracy here is really f'd up and it would be bad if they're spoiled more than they already are [sheesh, at least the high-end works their ass's off]
As for me.. don't know. IF that is to happen I guess I'll just have to get a US copy and proxy or something
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'True' seems to become a catchword in Diablo related topics [true blizzard fan, true pvper, true hardcore player, true diablo 2 player, ..you know how it goes]
oh yeah, and though I agree with the OP, he is a troll. and a successful one
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goes to show that you can't satisfy everyone
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... but I'll make this an exception
2
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not waiting for the game
but waiting to start waiting for the game
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The first thing to look in the issue is to look at the definition of the word that the GRB used
사행성
means to expect/want some kind of profit by a chance of luck
now, you can see here that this definition does not fully match the definition of gambling which implies a stake or risk.
The actual translation of gambling in Korean is 도박
Then why has 사행성 been translated into gambling?
First reason: There really isn't any word in English that exactly matches the meaning of 사행성
Second reason: One thing that can be observed in all languages in the world is that, as time passes, some words will be used to express things that aren't exactly as the original definition implies. And this is what happened with 사행성. Although the strict definition of the word has not changed, the actual usage in every-day life has been changed to become synonymous with 도박 or 'gambling'.
Thus why 사행성 is translated into 'gambling'
Now this is where the problem arises.
Everyone in Korea [except the GRB when rating Diablo 3] has been using 사행성 as meaning gambling, not it's strict definition. Slot machines are [wrongly] called 사행성 games.The law against 사행성 for underage gamers has also been brought up with the inteded usage of 'gambling' which, again, is against the actual definition.
So under this situation it doesn't make any sense for the RMAH to be linked with 사행성. You can earn cash out of items that drop by chance but the time and money invested is not a stake but payment for enjoying the game.
BUT
The GRB has used the strict definition [which no one else was using] to link the RMAH with 사행성. Again, the original definition of 사행성 is expecting some kind of profit by chance and by this definition the RMAH does fall under the catagory of 사행성 because you can expect real money profit by a streak of luck.
But in the end, this is a laughable form of phail-logic because, by this definition, the entirety of any economic activity in a capitalist world can be branded as 사행성 and thus be branded as illegal.
So yeah, you guys can see what kind of dipwads the GRB is.
And Koreans with any knowledge about the gaming industry hates the GRB. Not only do they recieve unreasonably high fees for ratings that is on a wacky system based on the amount of data the game has, but they also force amateur games that are inteded to be distributed for free to get a rating thus pay the fee thus strangling any emerging developers. And yet they always seem to turn a blind eye for actual gambling games because they saturate the amount of data in their games to pay generous amounts of fees. And this is how it basically looks in picture
http://ioniablog.com/508
you don't really need to understand Korean to see who's the 'GRB'
Edit : one important thing I forgot to mention. even if the phail logic with the definition of 사행성 was overlooked, it would still be phail because Diablo 3 applied for mature ratings thus bringing the game out of the scope of the new law. yet the GRB held their stance claiming that 'minors might play the game [despite the rating]'
[insert epic facepalm pic here]
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Anyway, heres what little I know about the situation.
Before the current GRB came to place, the VRB[video rating board] has been in charge of the rating of games, movies, music etc. The reason the VRB was scrapped was because it was respondible for passing the game 'Seastory' http://cfs15.tistory...7/498acd1ccc62d
yeah, I know, most of the Korean populace was thinking the same thing. 'WTF?'
When the game became controversial due to illegal modifications investigations were put into place and.. as it turns out, there were bribes and manipulations of rules behind the passing of this 'legal slot machine' [which was responsible for wrecking several families] and thus the GRB was born and we can see here why it would be sensitive about issues that concern real money.
But this organization has also brought up some controversies of it's own.
First, the rating progress is overly complicated and the fees attached are unreasonably high, there is no clear guidlines in how a game is rated so there's no way for game companies to know if they have been rated fairly. And there's also the problem that this board is not really up to date on the fast paced change of the gaming industry.
Second, the board had promised to rate game only up to last year and transfer the rights to rate games to the public but they backed out of that promise and applied for a new budget last year and the national assembly approved it.
Furthermore, Blizzard could not have chosen a worse timing to bring up the RMAH in Korea [not that there's anything they could have done about the situation]
Last november, a new law was proposed that would illegalize any real money trade in games that underages are able to play. And yes, the [legal] real money trading sites are doing all they can to fight against this but things don't look bright for them. There was also an incident of a middle school student suicide to which games were somewhat related to during July.
So we pretty much have a really screwed up situation here, and the GRB isn't doing any help to make things less complicated.
You see Blizzard, being aware of the new law against underage real money trade, had applied for a mature rating for Diablo 3. And yet the GRB held the 'anti-gambling'stance claiming that those of underage 'might' still play the game.
Yeah, what kind of phail-logic is that? Why the f- do they rate games anyway if they're going to consider the possibility of someone underage playing despite the mature rating?
But nonetheless Diablo 3 has been dragged into the 'real money in games' issue and the GRB is in a tricky situation to try to prove the need of their existance through this issue.'
Some think that this is all because of bribes to protect the domestic game industry, some people think it's because of the lack of bribes on Blizzard's part.
But if the reason is the latter, I [a Korean if you haven't figured that out yet] personally hope that Blizzard will give the GRB a good ol middle finger and pass Korea. The worthless low-end bureaucracy here is really f'd up and it would be bad if they're spoiled more than they already are [sheesh, at least the high-end works their ass's off]
As for me.. don't know. IF that is to happen I guess I'll just have to get a US copy and proxy or something