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if you kids keep arguing about the meaning of rares / the fact that they aren't so rare, I'm turning this damn van around

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Blizzard will never implement something like this, even if it makes sense and it is actually useful/fun to play.

Why?, because they already have the ultimate system (profit wise):

They generate an absurd amount of randomness which makes almost every item useless, want a better item? -> AH.

The item on the AH are items people have found... just fyi in case you didn't know. With the amount of people playing / farming and the amount of items dropping, you can have it only one of two ways; Good / useful items drop rarely and therefore are sought out, leading to a lot of farming but the feeling of accomplishment when you get those good items via gold / RM / item trades / farming. Or you can have good items drop frequently, which means no one will trade RM / gold / items for your items because they are so easy to get, and you really have nothing to farm for.

This game is hard, and that's how it is supposed to be. If you want what you think you're entitled to after X amount of hours, go play WoW.

mmm your tears of anguish sustain me

This is quite literally a communism type view: everyone should have equal power and wealth. Well this isn't how games work nor how the real world works. Yes the rich get richer, but it's the mindset that it's because OTHERS are rich that you can't get rich that is wrong. Quit feeling like a victim because you aren't handed anything. Instead you should work harder, and you will have more.

The assertion that people are rich in game because of early on exploits is false. They may have made a couple million gold but that's almost worthless nowadays.

In the end the person that puts in more time and work that will win. Stop having the loser victimized attitude and work harder if you really want it.

What? There was a LOT of unbalance in the other diablo games !! Hammerdins anyones? How about the sorcerer in D1? Stack str for heavy armor and spam mana shield, invulnerable. You just didn't hear about it as much because there wasn't as many people on forums.

There will never be true balance in this game or any game, they can only make it close. And the grass is always greener on the other side.

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I mean, look at the top 10 paragon classes n shit... all barbs... the first guy to get para 100, a barb..

Barb has the best farming potential with the so-called alkaeizer route.. and they can do it ultra fast..

Yea it requires gear, but so does everything.... wizards dont even come close to what barbs can dish out atm.. either does dh, monk or wds

Go make urself a jelly sammich sir

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You call nerf cause you don't like the idea of having something taken away.

The thing is, it was never INTENDED to be this strong. It's a bug. They are fixing it. If it had intentionally been designed to be this ridiculously strong, and then they turned around on it, then they wouldn't have made such a large post regarding it. It would have been a "This is being nerfed cause it's too OP". They explained the mechanics of how the spell works, and why it bugged out.

You say nerf,
They say bugfix.
Guess which one is far more accurate?

WELL, if you really want to get technical, it IS a nerf considering they are lowering the damage of the skill, intended, bug or not. JUST to be technical =D

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I think this will help with fast affix since you get the full duration? or is the damage only while in the caltrope?

"Enemies in the area also". I really hate the wording. I don't know why they say over 6 second now..

Because that's how long it lasts I believe. If the enemy stands in it the entire duration they get the full effect, but if they just pass right through it for 1 second they will get just one tick. It's going to work just the same as it is now.

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Patch 1.0.4 has so many annoying fixes and at the same time tunes classes and brings life to skills that were not used etc etc. Well you all have read the notes so I wont go into details.

However most of these fixes are easy and small ones that could have been done within the first week or two, hell even first month. How does Blizzard do it? They make a game with all these annoying small things that they know players will hate. Then they wait for a certain big game like GW2 to come out. And THEN they pump in this miracle patch in the same week as the GW2 game releases, a patch that could have been out months ago.

Screw that, im going all out on GW2 and I have about 15 friends that will as well, and they wont bother with MOP either. Small victory!

But anyway, good patch tbh.

lmao so you're suggesting they invest millions in development and years of their time, and they purposely make an unbalanced gamed at launch so they can fix it down the road? Just to get a couple more people to want to stay instead of going to a competitors?

*shakes head sadly*

And just like Jerry in Seinfeld, you'll soon come to realize you hate dating someone like you, because you hate you =D

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The only things Diablo takes from MMOs is the very rich lore and some basics (leveling, items with stats, abilities). That's it.

There aren't enough classes to make an MMO, and all classes are dps. Diablo is fine the way it is.

Those traits are not entitled to MMO's alone, it's called RPG. So no Diablo doesn't take those things (leveling etc) from MMO's, as RPGs came before that and Diablo is an RPG. If anything they took it from RPGs, but well, as an RPG it would be odd if it didn't have RPG elements.

Anyways, just pointing that out. An MMO is usually an RPG just online, and well MM (massive multiplayer) it's intended to be massive, Diablo for one isn't in that sense. That's what I like, that's how it's a different kind of RPG game that despite that, still is online. For us who prefer to game online and not solo. (not saying that can't be fun.)

But I enjoy the online aspect, and having left MMO's for the first time I have no intention to go back to that again.. so Diablo is just the thing for me now, I can play online without it being this endless worlds with endless possibilities that never end. Diablo is still limited compared. I fancy the idea that this might work as more "Casual Play" for me, and I can keep my online gaming to that extent.

Oh I agree, i left wow and other mmorgs (played everything from aion, rift, WH, blah blah) because it dawned on me one day; This feels like a damn job. When I have to be online at a certain time, for a certain time frame, that's a job. When my success and failure is dependent upon other players, it's no fun. Not saying MMORGS don't have their place, I'm just glad I'm not a part of it anymore.

Ahh, diablo. I can hop on for 10 minutes or 10 hours, doesn't matter. No longer will I be standing around a city, waiting on others before I can play a game. I can get the best possible items by myself if I want, or join with friends.

Yep you can either go hardcore or casual with diablo, and your success will be dependent entirely on your own time =)

Btw, diablo fanboi right here <---

Oh I do agree. Nice to see someone that sees it from the same viewpoint, most just seem to say "if you don't go pro go home" so to say. I play for fun, and I have a daughter, a job and all that. At the end of the day, a game is a game, real life is real life. No matter how you look at it. If something virtual convinces you that it's more than that, then you should reflect on your life for a while, and find out what's best for your future. That's when you'll get your payback, whether it be good or bad.

Depends on what you did with your time, I sure won't look back and regret I spent mine playing games, that I have nothing to show for. That's just my opinion though, and I haven't been so sure of anything since I quit WoW back in August 2010. Had a better life since, got out of the addicting habit of gaming. Well, more the addicting habit of MMO's, but I play close to nothing in general anymore. So I feel it's okay for me to play Diablo casually, I'll just have to keep it that way..

And I want to address some of the things you point out; You said it feels like a damn job, which is exactly how I felt playing, and the part about being too tied down and how you relate to other players. More work than fun really. Nothing wrong with team work and success, but my idea of fun isn't how I can't just enjoy my game laid back, having to watch my every step so I don't mess up for others and it's a big deal if one does. Of course, these people are serious and spend a lot of their time to achieve this, virtual grandeur, so each has to play his part. Maybe there was a time like that for me as well, but I'm just too old and it doesn't suit me.

If I do play games now it is to lay back and have some fun, without having responsibilities even when I'm playing the game.. I have my share of those in real life already haha. A game shouldn't be work per say, progress yes, but it shouldn't feel more like actual work than a game. Then you're playing it more like a sport, if that's what you want sure.

Like you said there is a place for MMO's, but thanks but no thanks. And as you said, it's up to you what amount of time you choose to invest in the game, spend time as you have it. With MMO's it's a little more complicated than so, I for one know I can't play one casually. These games urge you to spend more time, the more you spend the more you'll achieve. If you don't want that, then why play an MMO. Diablo should stay Diablo, there are oh so many options for those of you who want MMO's. This is what sets Diablo apart if you ask me.

Oh and yes I've played a few myself. Started with Anarchy Online, guild wars, wow, age of conan, aion, I'm sure there was a few more.. Anyways here's to Diablo becoming that jolly good funtime to be had, with no strings attached. Haha.

OMG! I read the first post and stopped. I've built quite a few (I believe very viable) builds using Temporal Flux as a main consideration and you think it is completely useless?

Oh and having Evocation for only 1 spell that has a cooldown, plus having 3 different ray spells in one build? (I consider Arcane Torrent a Ray in theory). WOW. You have to stand in place a lot to cast don't you. Hope you don't run into several enhanced speed + cold based elites. Cos you don't even have a teleport to get out of trouble, and NO AP REGEN!!!

Short sighted build that only relies on brute force power with no imagination IMO and no AP regen abilities.

Hey everyone,

My friends and I took on a little challenge and decided to create the Diablo 3 logo in Minecraft. For the record, yes all items were spawned, but that was the extent of the *hacking*. It was all built with absurd amounts scaffolding and plenty of grief breaks. Enjoy the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NJSVpdQ3nU

Blizzard has said SEVERAL times now they're designing around the assumption that people will NOT be hotswapping. And they do NOT expect a lot of people to do it regularly. Okay? Can we get that out of the way now? Thank you. Quit assuming the game will be balanced around you swapping skills because it WON'T. Blizzard wants the game to be balanced assuming people DON'T do that.

Now that that is out of way, let's get on to the real points.

The runes are what determine how many charged bolts to use your skill, a level 7 rune does more than a leve l rune. So yes, you will see more scaling of effects beyond just damage through rune levels. And rune types.

I'm pretty sure Blizzard isn't planning to put macros in place to change your abilities. You have to stop killing, open your menu, find the skill, drag it to where you want it. Long process - doesn't seem very fun to me. So I won't.


What's better is MEANINGFUL customization. Skill points have NEVER proven themselves to be that. Remember, I am a game reviewer(admittedly fairly recently starting out as one), I play a ton of games. I've never seen a skill customization system that encouraged me to do anything other than max as many skills as I could to be as powerful as possible. Skills get increasingly more powerful the more points you put in them, not literally, but scalingly. So 1 point may do 1-2 damage, 5 will do 20-22, and 10 will do 100-102. There's no reason to only put 5 in, because I'll be really really weak. So you max out as many skills as the skill point system allows you to, then use whatever few skill points you have left to get utility abilities or in rare cases synergistic abilities. This is a fact. It was this way in D2, it was this way in Dungeon Siege 3, it was this way in dozens of other games which had skill trees. It is ALWAYS this way.

Stat points I will give you in some games HAVE been meaningful and well done. But usually they result in one person finding the optimum and 99.999% of people copying him. In d2 the optimum was as many vitality points as you could after getting youjr strength for items, for one example.

Meaningful customization will be in the choices you make, and I truly expect this game to end up with most people doing what I'll be doing: Designing their character to be a specific character. Ie. I'm going to have Venra the melee Wizardress. She will be that, and unless BLizzard makes it completely 100% useless, that is what she will be. It doesn't matter if I fight enemies that isn't ideal as, she will do what she needs to. Most gamers I've talked to play like that in games like this.

Sure there will be 'professional farmers' who do otherwise, but that's fine too - it's their choice. And that's the beauty of this system, it allows you the choice to play how you most want to. IF you want to build a character and make it a real character there is NOTHING stopping you from doing so. If you want to min max and swap abilities on the fly, there's also nothing stopping you from doing that. And that is truly a beautiful thing in a game - true choice.

Can't help but constantly feel that Anonymous is some sad bunch of young people that have no clue what they're doing, or what they're playing with. But maybe not.

This isn't my fight, I don't even know about Wallstreet. I'm interested to see what will actually happen, if anything will, and I'd be glad if it did make a difference in the grand scheme of things.

But I hope nobody here actually believes they can end any and all abuse without violence. No matter your claims of non violence, no change will come without pain.

why are you yelling at me!?!?

The only issue with that is I think the idea of inferno is for you to want to play the whole level, not just run to the bosses, which is what your idea would promote.

They want you to enjoy fighting act 1 against fallen and hulks and advancing up to Andariel as much as doing continuous meph runs.

I am thinking if they do incentives, it will be based on clearing all of the acts type of setup.