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    May 11, 2012
    ecutruin posted a message on A pvp debate
    Quote from Conax

    So you're saying that Diablo 2 is way better then, just with worse Graphics . Arena Will suck and the longevity of the game is shorter then tetris

    Diablo 2 might be better for you. As for me, I really like what Blizzard is offering and feel the game will have me playing if for a few years at least. The Arena seems like it will be awesome to jump into and I expect to have a blast with the fast paced PvP.

    I don't know how you got what you got out of what I said.. maybe you should stick with Diablo 2 though.
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    May 7, 2012
    ecutruin posted a message on Diablo 3 an eSports?
    Quote from Astrand

    Well, when I first posted in this forum my opinion on PvP you answered to me that I shouldn't play the game because it's not for me, even though I haven't stated that the game would be bad without competitive aspects. Here you go, one example of negativity to a new user.

    You clearly do not look for agreement when you are publicly stating that the people you are talking to are bringing negativity to the community. You are insulting a lot of people.

    This is also precisely what I see in ecutruin posts. I would like to see reason and logic other than "I don't accept thoes answers because they are not the answers I want".

    Hrm...If you cannot enjoy the game without a strong competitive environment, then maybe the game isn't for you...that's not an attack, that's just explaining that Diablo 3 isn't catered towards a highly competitive environment. It's not meant to either, kind of end of story.

    I do want to find a middle ground. If I didn't, I wouldn't be attempting to discuss the issues. I am looking forward to Arena and what it'll offer for the community. From playing the Beta, the game will be awesome.

    I've given reason and logic. You avoided my question and instead of answering it, you tried to say the negative environment doesn't exist. Where~as my question was posed with reference to it existing. I've also explained where I've gotten my opinions from, and such opinions are based on my experience here on the forums, in other games, from other posters, etc. It is not a baseless opinion and either you have not experienced the same situations, or choose to ignore it.
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    Apr 30, 2012
    ecutruin posted a message on Diablo 3 an eSports?
    Quote from keldaur1

    You can say exactly the same for most hard-core PvE'rs, whining about content, class balance and acting like complete morons because they clear things other do.

    By the way, the new trend "go against critics" is the most retarded thing i had ever seen. If it's a bad critic you can just dismantle it, if it's a good one you just dismissed it for ... nothing else than being a critic.

    There will be PvP, that's a fact. Blizzard won't focus on PvP while balancing the game, that's another fact (but we can tell, there would be some kind of balance on CC on players, ofc, that doesn't affect PvM). Anyways, what do we want ? People who enjoy doing the e-sport'esque should be able to create their customs(and nlizzard should do it, because who the frag doesn't want to have some laughs playing against their friends, just because some guys would try to emulate an e-sport you are going to remove that possibility ? I'm sorry Bashiok, normally you are a cool dude, but that was just a dumb thing to say). That way they will be able to do their ladders on d3foresportdotcom, events or whatever they want to do.

    They whine about balance? Who cares, blizzard won't listen so your PvM is intact, and you know it, they know it, and their moms also know it, so it won't affect you how they play the game. It's even better for PvM players who can sell the best items to those diehard PvP'ers. I mean, having more things isn't a bad thing, it's a freaking win win scenario as far i'm concerned.

    Its not as simple as you think. On the surface, sure.. they could do just as you state. However, by offering more eSport~focused features they create an impression that they are supporting eSports. This causes tournament providers to have an expectation that Blizzard is supporting eSport~level PvP. It honestly just creates a ton of unneeded pressure and confusion in the community.

    It ends up being a much better option to just outright deny eSport support, not implement eSport~focused features, and focus the game more towards a co~op experience with casual PvP. Creating confusing only ends up leading to continual bad press as they have to continually explain why they do not wish to balance PvP, etc. It really just isn't a good move for them.
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    Apr 29, 2012
    ecutruin posted a message on Diablo 3 an eSports?
    Quote from jaco111

    If you don't care stop posting.


    Thanks to all of those supporting me in this thread. I hope you know the one thing in our way is Blizzards unwillingness to support a major part of Diablo 3, the PvP. Also the people who believe whatever Blizzard says. I think that is bad management on their part, because if they don't the game won't be able to flourish. That us why I created thus thread to convince people of this and through them Blizzard.

    I have never posted anything I would go back on. I support both PvE and PvP and believe you can have competitive PvP without affecting the rest if the game. You guys seem to overlook the fact that you are greatly affecting the PvP.

    As for the specifics of balancing the game without nerfing the PvE, Blizzard can do it but is not going to do so because of ridiculous reasons. Such as it is "confusing to the players" and is insulting to the community.

    I have watched and played the PvP and I am certain it would make a great eSports, to play and to watch. Once everyone plays it I think they would feel the same.

    When the PvP comes out I will enjoy talking about every detail about how and why it will make a good eSport when others can also experience the PvP and not feel satisfied about it.

    If your not here to support this thread then you must be greedy PvE'ers. Seriously you already have the game for a whole year without PvP. You already have your Inferno and your two expansions that will come out. What more could you want that you are already given? All we want is a fully functioning PvP system, not some half-ass casual crap. Instead of respecting the thread on the PVP FOURMS and trying to support it, you come in here with only one solid argument, "Blizzard said so". I don't go to your threads and say "inferno is not casual enough" or some other crap just to make you mad. Frankly you guys are killing the game. Will it be good? Ya. Will it be great? Not by a long shot. Without competitive PvP I doubt they will get past the first expansion or even that far. They got their golden egg and they don't want to share.

    If Jay Wilson would have said "ya it is going to be a very competitive PvP", there would be no threads on "why can't it be a casual PvP". I could point all the blame towards Jay Wilson but really it is all of you people who listen to that crap.

    jaco, it is Blizzard's game. There needs to be little other reasons other then 'they said so' honestly. However, if you actually read the posts that Blizzard has posted...they actually explain why they made the decisions that they have made. Here's a link so that you can read it for yourself. I love how you keep saying its Jay Wilson that decided all this as well, when Jay specifically stated that it was the developers that chose a more casual route for PvP.

    They aren't neglecting PvP, they just aren't making PvP the way YOU want it. Funny thing is, they are making PvP in a way that many other people want. So your desires trump ours? I'm sorry, but when the overall focus of the game is co~op and the majority of players side with that focus, it seems that the majority's desires should be the desires that Blizzard focuses on. Guess what?! They are!

    This game will likely last 2 expansions, maybe more...depending on how much material Blizzard has for the setting. Inferno will keep the majority of players challenged and the random events will keep each play~through different. On top of that, a casual PvP system where you can jump into battle with random players in matched battles purely for entertainment will add even more replay value to the game. It doesn't need competitive PvP in order to be fun, it's got plenty of fun already..and more to come.

    Edit: I'd like to add that you keep trying to state that people like myself don't deserve to talk about PvP, when I clearly have an interest in the PvP system being showcased for Diablo 3. I'm sorry, but just because I'm actually for the route that Blizzard has taken doesn't mean I hate PvP. I have just as much right to talk about PvP as you do, if not more...as I actually want the PvP system that Blizzard is offering.
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    Apr 29, 2012
    ecutruin posted a message on Diablo 3 an eSports?
    Quote from Adon

    Right so how long did I take people to beat WoW raids? I don't even play WoW, but even I heard of how fast people shit on Blizzards "Hard content".
    How many bugs and glitches and infinites are found in Capcoms fighting games? The same company that says their QA team are better players then the top EVO players?

    Take anything regarding difficulty with a grain of salt. Obviously you need to start Diablo again and tell me how hard it is.

    Depends on the content. Generally 'hard~modes' do take quite awhile by the average player. Even the most hardcore of groups can take weeks to accomplish it. However, there is a big difference between people beating a new instance in a game they already know very well, and beating a brand new game with new mechanics and a ton of unknowns. Noone knows the mechanics of the end~game of Diablo 3 right now beyond the internal testing team. So until people experience Infernal difficulty, we won't possibly be able to know... and stating that you can do it no problem is just you fluffing your ego more.
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    Apr 29, 2012
    ecutruin posted a message on Diablo 3 an eSports?
    Quote from Adon

    Riiight. Here we go again. "BUT BLIZZARD SAID". Dude, I don't give a shit what Blizzard says. They are in the business to make money. They arn't going to make money if they come out and say "Well, our game can be beaten in 2 weeks by dedicated gamers."

    Have you played Inferno? I highly doubt you're part of internal testing. Since the internal testers that have played Diablo 3 for years now are stating that it'll likely take 2~3 months, I'm willing to accept that it might actually take that long. Seems like a pretty awesome challenge if they did achieve that level of difficulty. Until it comes out though, neither of us can really know. So the only thing we can possibly go by is Blizzard's word. Anything you say to the contrary is just you fluffing your ego.
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    Apr 29, 2012
    ecutruin posted a message on Diablo 3 an eSports?
    Quote from jaco111

    Wow dude your last 3 post are total crap. I give you solid evidence then you counter it, I reply then you ignore everything. Here is a famous quote by Abraham Lincon for you, " A house divided cannot stand". Do you know what that means? You have to support both PvE and PvP for the game to flourish. You can't have half a wall by only halfway supporting PvP. I have never bashed on PvE and have always supported both. You have run out of material and are acting childish and can only say "nope, your wrong". So based of that I would say I won.

    You won? Hardly. Blizzard is supporting PvP, just not the PvP that YOU want. There have been multiple players posting on Diablofans alone specifically stating that they are looking forward to Arena and appreciate that Blizzard has decided to make the focus of the game a more co~op experience. Not every game needs to be turned into an eSport. A game can flourish without highly competitive PvP perfectly fine.

    As for ignoring your information, I don't believe I did such a thing. In fact I am pretty sure I responded to your statements quite well.

    Now, as to why you are wrong and why Blizzard should NOT add eSport focused features...it's pretty simple...THEY DON'T WANT TO AND IT IS THEIR GAME. How hard is that to grasp? The Diablo 3 developers do not want to make competitive PvP a focus of development for Diablo 3. I could give a bunch more reasons as to why, but you really shouldn't need anymore. It is Blizzard's game and they chose that for this title they would not focus on eSport~related features and instead give a better co~op experience, with added casual PvP. Again, not every game needs to be highly competitive, games can be fun to...you know...play.
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    Apr 27, 2012
    ecutruin posted a message on PvP Commentary and Serious Discussion
    Quote from Adon

    Dude give it up, you will never win and you will never play a non competitive Diablo haha. The community will not let it happen. Only way to end this is to see when they release Arena, if you are even playing by then. I am sure the community will of already gotten to you in PvM games. In which case you will say "Oh it is just those meany PvP'ers in here because we gave them nowhere else to go!" then to realize that no...those players are everywhere PvM and PvP, and that is Diablo in a nutshell...Enjoy.

    Sure bullies come from both PvP and PvM. However, as there are very little incentives for bullies and easy ways to avoid them.. I don't think they'll be a problem. I mean, I can handle replying to you can't I?
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    Apr 24, 2012
    ecutruin posted a message on Blizz vs players, reaching agreement ?
    Diablo 3 gives players MORE options then they ever had in previous Diablo games, not less. The only argument I could possibly see for stat/skill changes is permanence and if you want to force yourself to stick with a build unless you achieve some specific item drop, you can. However, don't expect that its how the majority of players want to play.

    As for hostility, do I really need to explain WHY it is a bad option to be added to the PvM game? Go read the PvP forum a bit and you should be able to find quite a few reasons already explained. Diablo 3 was not designed with players fighting players during PvM. It has no place in Diablo 3 and the reasons have been made very clear.
    Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
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    Apr 24, 2012
    ecutruin posted a message on Blizz vs players, reaching agreement ?
    Quote from Vanhyo

    *Stats - What i been hearing/reading from blizzard is they consider them bad design because there is always the "right way" and the "wrong way".

    ~snip~

    This is a bad idea and essentially boils down to the exact same issues that were present in Diablo 2. Statistics weren't a good choice in Diablo 2 and Blizzard has explained why already. In addition to that, we already have a way to decide if we want more health, more damage, etc...they are called items. However, unlike stats I can choose that I don't need as much health down the road and instead swap it out for some more damage.

    Quote from Vanhyo

    *Skills - The way i see it, the current skill system is actually not as bad, just having no real penalty for swapping skills is what bothers me.

    ~snip~


    Like statistics, your argument is permanence. Locking people into something doesn't magically make the game more fun, in fact it will generally cause more negatives then positives. Again, I'll point out that this issue has been beaten to death and you aren't offering anything that hasn't been brought up before. Allowing players to change their build to adapt try out new builds they see others using will keep people interested much longer then essentially forcing people to re-grind the character to lvl 60 again or grind for reset items. What benefit is achieved by permanence other then creating an artificial barrier for experimentation?

    Quote from Vanhyo

    *PvP hostility - Yet another core feature of the previous diablo series, it is truth that has caused alot of griefing in the past but i think there is still a way if keeping this very unique and specific diablo feature without having the grief part of it

    ~snip~

    Hostility is a terrible mechanic for Diablo 3. It was so hated in Diablo 2 that the majority of players wanting to just experience the game actually make private games to avoid griefers. This isn't a mechanic that should be re-introduced into the game. If players want some form of no-rules PvP, it should be put as in as an Arena type, not as a way to force PvM players to PvP.



    All in all, Diablo 3 is a new game guys. Why implement outdated features that caused more harm then good when Blizzard can actually design new ways of implementing the systems that encourage people to experiment, play with others, and have a ton of fun?
    Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
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