The only things Diablo takes from MMOs is the very rich lore and some basics (leveling, items with stats, abilities). That's it.
There aren't enough classes to make an MMO, and all classes are dps. Diablo is fine the way it is.
Those traits are not entitled to MMO's alone, it's called RPG. So no Diablo doesn't take those things (leveling etc) from MMO's, as RPGs came before that and Diablo is an RPG. If anything they took it from RPGs, but well, as an RPG it would be odd if it didn't have RPG elements.
Anyways, just pointing that out. An MMO is usually an RPG just online, and well MM (massive multiplayer) it's intended to be massive, Diablo for one isn't in that sense. That's what I like, that's how it's a different kind of RPG game that despite that, still is online. For us who prefer to game online and not solo. (not saying that can't be fun.)
But I enjoy the online aspect, and having left MMO's for the first time I have no intention to go back to that again.. so Diablo is just the thing for me now, I can play online without it being this endless worlds with endless possibilities that never end. Diablo is still limited compared. I fancy the idea that this might work as more "Casual Play" for me, and I can keep my online gaming to that extent.
Oh I agree, i left wow and other mmorgs (played everything from aion, rift, WH, blah blah) because it dawned on me one day; This feels like a damn job. When I have to be online at a certain time, for a certain time frame, that's a job. When my success and failure is dependent upon other players, it's no fun. Not saying MMORGS don't have their place, I'm just glad I'm not a part of it anymore.
Ahh, diablo. I can hop on for 10 minutes or 10 hours, doesn't matter. No longer will I be standing around a city, waiting on others before I can play a game. I can get the best possible items by myself if I want, or join with friends.
Yep you can either go hardcore or casual with diablo, and your success will be dependent entirely on your own time =)
Btw, diablo fanboi right here <---
Oh I do agree. Nice to see someone that sees it from the same viewpoint, most just seem to say "if you don't go pro go home" so to say. I play for fun, and I have a daughter, a job and all that. At the end of the day, a game is a game, real life is real life. No matter how you look at it. If something virtual convinces you that it's more than that, then you should reflect on your life for a while, and find out what's best for your future. That's when you'll get your payback, whether it be good or bad.
Depends on what you did with your time, I sure won't look back and regret I spent mine playing games, that I have nothing to show for. That's just my opinion though, and I haven't been so sure of anything since I quit WoW back in August 2010. Had a better life since, got out of the addicting habit of gaming. Well, more the addicting habit of MMO's, but I play close to nothing in general anymore. So I feel it's okay for me to play Diablo casually, I'll just have to keep it that way..
And I want to address some of the things you point out; You said it feels like a damn job, which is exactly how I felt playing, and the part about being too tied down and how you relate to other players. More work than fun really. Nothing wrong with team work and success, but my idea of fun isn't how I can't just enjoy my game laid back, having to watch my every step so I don't mess up for others and it's a big deal if one does. Of course, these people are serious and spend a lot of their time to achieve this, virtual grandeur, so each has to play his part. Maybe there was a time like that for me as well, but I'm just too old and it doesn't suit me.
If I do play games now it is to lay back and have some fun, without having responsibilities even when I'm playing the game.. I have my share of those in real life already haha. A game shouldn't be work per say, progress yes, but it shouldn't feel more like actual work than a game. Then you're playing it more like a sport, if that's what you want sure.
Like you said there is a place for MMO's, but thanks but no thanks. And as you said, it's up to you what amount of time you choose to invest in the game, spend time as you have it. With MMO's it's a little more complicated than so, I for one know I can't play one casually. These games urge you to spend more time, the more you spend the more you'll achieve. If you don't want that, then why play an MMO. Diablo should stay Diablo, there are oh so many options for those of you who want MMO's. This is what sets Diablo apart if you ask me.
Oh and yes I've played a few myself. Started with Anarchy Online, guild wars, wow, age of conan, aion, I'm sure there was a few more.. Anyways here's to Diablo becoming that jolly good funtime to be had, with no strings attached. Haha.
The only things Diablo takes from MMOs is the very rich lore and some basics (leveling, items with stats, abilities). That's it.
There aren't enough classes to make an MMO, and all classes are dps. Diablo is fine the way it is.
Those traits are not entitled to MMO's alone, it's called RPG. So no Diablo doesn't take those things (leveling etc) from MMO's, as RPGs came before that and Diablo is an RPG. If anything they took it from RPGs, but well, as an RPG it would be odd if it didn't have RPG elements.
Anyways, just pointing that out. An MMO is usually an RPG just online, and well MM (massive multiplayer) it's intended to be massive, Diablo for one isn't in that sense. That's what I like, that's how it's a different kind of RPG game that despite that, still is online. For us who prefer to game online and not solo. (not saying that can't be fun.)
But I enjoy the online aspect, and having left MMO's for the first time I have no intention to go back to that again.. so Diablo is just the thing for me now, I can play online without it being this endless worlds with endless possibilities that never end. Diablo is still limited compared. I fancy the idea that this might work as more "Casual Play" for me, and I can keep my online gaming to that extent.
Oh just thank you, thank you! Finally one person that understands the REAL problem some people have with Blizzard, rather than just "blabla blizz doesn't owe us anything, blabla be thankful blabla."
You Sir, made up for all the ignorant blizz buttlicking that never cease to anger me. Honestly though, you put it very well and that's really what's it about, not how much we hate Blizzard. I'd call it, customer relations. Did you mention that or ? In any case that's what it is. Your customer is the key to your success, don't just act indifferent towards them, and expect them to just "be patient" or thankful or whatever.
Even though they know "we'll all buy it" that's no excuse, in any case that's even worse, exploiting their fans loyalty by going "ah its okay if we delay, they'll still buy it." I put it on the edge there, but you see where I'm going ?
I find myself disagreeing with most on the fact that it's easy. There's Normal, Nightmare, Hell, and now even Inferno which may be intended to be close to "impossible". On top of that there's Hardcore mode if you want a tougher challenge still, and you're still not happy? My point is not only this, but the fact that even Normal seemed like a "fair" challenge, like force dying a few times. (Not saying he's super leet or anything) but the mobs seemed to pack a punch, which was clearly noticeable on his health bar, if you followed that.
Dunno what you'd expect, normal being super hard ? It's the lowest diff, it should be not only manageable, but easy, so that every player no matter how crappy can do it. That's the point, casuals play games as well. I like a challenge, and I'm a fan of tough games, but I still think of others, if you want a non-casual game then you have that option. No where does it say Diablo is just for "leets". The casual player has as much right to play games as you do.
So what have they been doing for ten years ?? I think someone had it correct about engineers. They never are finish on anything. When its dones its not really done. Nothing is ever done for their way of thinking. We the Diablo community have been left out in the cold more than any of their other franchises. We are their red headed step child. We were not Blizzards orginal development. They bought them kick them to the curb and were stuck with this crap now.
It sucks, I admit that but you should just be happy they're making the game. We're not really entitled to anything, no matter how long we've waited.
That still doesn't make it ok. That's like saying they shouldn't care about the customer, we are what make their game/product worth something. Without us what good is it. By that I mean we are entitled to something. You can't just expect to sell something if you don't care about your customer. I'm not saying they don't care, that was putting it on edge to further a point. But we are the "fans" for this game, and that makes us the most important factor. How long are you supposed to be told "just be happy" and accept things, if you're not satisfied? The take it or leave it attitude is very wrong if you want your fans to keep staying patient. If everyone was unsatisfied would it still be ok to just say "just be happy" ? No, then everyone would leave and there would be no one to play the damned game. We are entitled to opinions, and a little respect.
Also, when you're patient and wait for something (which we have done a lot in this case) you should be rewarded in some way if anything, not be told oh just be happy. We don't have to wait, that's the thing. We can say F this. Yeah I know people will still wait, but they probably know that. That doesn't make it ok, because if they wasn't so sure of this, they could risk loosing their fans, which wouldn't be ok for them and not a ok way to treat fans. That is exactly the reason why if anything you should appreciate the loyalty and patience of your fans (customers) and by that reward or encourage them to keep being so good and patient. You don't achieve that by indifference.
At this point, you could just release it. Because I'm pretty sure most would be happy anyway. But oh well, it's their game. Let's hope they don't forgot it's nothing without it's fans. At least I would like to see a beta, how and how many get invites, and when will the beta REALLY hit. Then I would feel more content right now, cause the beta is what's on everyone's mind.
Simply because at least that's a bone, all we have for now. Beta info please?
This is like measuring the size of your penis. Sure it's nice to know, but in the end, is it really worth it ? Think about it.
Anyway I'm sure it's mostly random or they'll just change how they pick participants. The only thing might be system specs. But yeah I won't make too much fuss about it, no way in hell I'll resub to world of nolife craft just to get a beta inv. The beta isn't even that long, oh wait, that is if there will even BE an beta. Which from the looks of it, looks like never. First they announce a beta which isn't there and cause unnecessary hype, then they delay the game right after? like what did you smoke? lol. It's just provoking really. So no I won't make a lot of fuss to get myself into this beta, I'm sure in the end the LIMITED invites comes down to luck, with a few tiny factors that impact it. No intention to rant here, it's just my opinion. The better question is WHEN will the beta be ? How about asking this, even though they already said it was supposed to begin. When will we be seeing those invites, more importantly now that the game is postponed. Like I said no fuss, but that to me is more interesting, to know WHEN, because it feels lame to be excited over the beta I don't know when I'll see, let alone trying to get into it.
Hmm yeah, not many people seem to be happy about this. I'd be happy, obviously I own a PS3, but that doesn't mean I like the fact that they delayed the game, for whatever reason. Yeah, that's all I have to say really.
Diablo 2 graphics have been outdated for, I don't know, 10 years? I still play that today so I really won't mind if they keep the current graphics.
And as a flashback when it was released we had this whole "everything must be 3D"-fashion, because we were just starting to discover 3D gaming, and a lot of critics bashed D2 really hard for being such a long time in development (3 years back then iirc) and saying its graphics were a joke and its engine was soooo outdated.
And it still turned out to be one of the most amazing games of all time I'm sure the same is going to happen to D3.
Some are bashing its graphics because they think everything must have CoD facial animation and sick textures, or Crysis-style graphics, and they usually have a very hard time enjoying the little details.
I just love the whole "playing a living painting"-design.
Well we're in 2011 now, soon 2012, that's the difference. And to some graphics of a VISUAL medium make the whole experience better, so not only equally important to gameplay (subjective) but with a good gameplay good graphics only increases the whole experience of the game that much more. I get that you all value gameplay, but you can't be telling me that you DON't want good graphics as well, then you are focusing too much on gameplay, because good graphics is no minus, it's just that you seem to relate good graphics to bad gameplay. Doesn't need to be the case. Think of some really awesome games, either SPs or online games, with awesome graphics to boot, you're just like WOOT I love the new age of gaming, I can have an awesome time with a game, AND visually get the feel that it's more real. It's not a lego game. So yes for me personally, big fan of gameplay, but man I love good graphics in games, it's so beatiful and graphics will just keep pushing boundaries. The feel of playing a game will just get more and more awesome. As a oldschooler I know the value of gameplay very well, it can make a game totally awesome even if the graphics aren't much to brag about, but that doesn't mean I say no thanks to graphics. I'll take both, thank you.
And yes not only are they outdated as of now, per my standards, I expect games to be up to their date in graphics, but next year.. think of the time this has been in development, and keep pushing it on top.. soon the graphics will be dinosaur old. I like how it looks, and like I said I value gameplay I'll play D3, but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to have even better graphics for a new upcoming online game like this, especially an old classic like Diablo. It would make it that more awesome, already I feel let down cause the graphics (not art) remind me of WoW, the feeling of it, and those has almost always sucked, people loved Wow for it's gameplay, why do you think it lasts so long, graphics ? Even I liked them, and even I liked D3 graphics from the first vids, but times are moving. Boo to delaying D3, and boo to not being able to do better with graphics than this, seems lazy.. and when you claim delaying is to "polish" why are you too lazy to polish the graphics ? At least have a little class, when you make us wait longer to make the end result better, don't we deserve this much ? (better graphics)
Anyways know lots of you don't give a F about graphics, but I don't really care, because I sincerely do and to people with an eye for visuals it should be normal to appreciate well... visually nice things. That said I know that most likely, I'll still play D3. Just had to add lol, the image of jay going like "they'll all still buy it anyway" comes to mind.
I can only Imagine how OMG it'd be to relax on sofa, playin D3 on your PS3... and all that on 55 to 65 inch Full HD TV and even Mayb With Some Sweet 3D as well... PC Version would just Cry.
The best if it be cross platform game and using 1 account as well, so u could use pc or console at any time, like your Wife//parents etc. watching movie on TV u can always use your PC
doesn't abound just mean like "hey guys beta's here" ? And asking what class you wanna play or whatever it said (the tweet) now that -the beta is here- .. I mean it's a while since they announced beta was started, how is it new.. except that as far as I know it still doesn't help us when it's press mostly -SO- far.
Anyway what I wanted to ask here was that who says there will be any waves any time soon ? It might just be well, for press and stuff and not us. Yet that is. Since they go ahead and say beta's here and ppl don't get any keys, that already tells me they don't really care if we now "assume" we will be getting access shortly, or else why bother to announce beta's here when it's not for the public so to say. My point is for all we know there might still be a while until any of us get any invs.
They are "okay" with us waiting although we are now expecting keys as it says BETAZ HEREZ OMGZ RUN GUYEZ.. and it's an all out panic situation. Reminds me of when the fire alarm goes off, and there's not really any fire.. why did I just go outside and freaking freeze my ass off. Oh it's just a drill.. Maybe this is a drill as well ? This is to get us prepared for the absolute chaos and mayhem that will occur when beta hits.
Haven't read the topic, just wanted to say my excitement for beta died a little as it seems very few will get in, and well doesn't seem that "big of a deal". I guess odds would be fairly small either way though, if you consider how many are anticipating this game. It's just that MMO'ing since Anarchy Online (2001) I haven't been part of much beta, and being in the beta if Aion I've found it's rather exciting. Seems like hardware/connection plays a factor, then again I guess I'm not alone in having decent specs.
My question is this rather, -why- would anyone opt to use the RMAH when you could simply use the gold AH to buy ? If you could simply sell for RM and buy with gold, is that even a dilemma for anyone ? Hence making this discussion obsolete. That's what I'm not getting.
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Oh I do agree. Nice to see someone that sees it from the same viewpoint, most just seem to say "if you don't go pro go home" so to say. I play for fun, and I have a daughter, a job and all that. At the end of the day, a game is a game, real life is real life. No matter how you look at it. If something virtual convinces you that it's more than that, then you should reflect on your life for a while, and find out what's best for your future. That's when you'll get your payback, whether it be good or bad.
Depends on what you did with your time, I sure won't look back and regret I spent mine playing games, that I have nothing to show for. That's just my opinion though, and I haven't been so sure of anything since I quit WoW back in August 2010. Had a better life since, got out of the addicting habit of gaming. Well, more the addicting habit of MMO's, but I play close to nothing in general anymore. So I feel it's okay for me to play Diablo casually, I'll just have to keep it that way..
And I want to address some of the things you point out; You said it feels like a damn job, which is exactly how I felt playing, and the part about being too tied down and how you relate to other players. More work than fun really. Nothing wrong with team work and success, but my idea of fun isn't how I can't just enjoy my game laid back, having to watch my every step so I don't mess up for others and it's a big deal if one does. Of course, these people are serious and spend a lot of their time to achieve this, virtual grandeur, so each has to play his part. Maybe there was a time like that for me as well, but I'm just too old and it doesn't suit me.
If I do play games now it is to lay back and have some fun, without having responsibilities even when I'm playing the game.. I have my share of those in real life already haha.
Like you said there is a place for MMO's, but thanks but no thanks. And as you said, it's up to you what amount of time you choose to invest in the game, spend time as you have it. With MMO's it's a little more complicated than so, I for one know I can't play one casually. These games urge you to spend more time, the more you spend the more you'll achieve. If you don't want that, then why play an MMO. Diablo should stay Diablo, there are oh so many options for those of you who want MMO's. This is what sets Diablo apart if you ask me.
Oh and yes I've played a few myself. Started with Anarchy Online, guild wars, wow, age of conan, aion, I'm sure there was a few more.. Anyways here's to Diablo becoming that jolly good funtime to be had, with no strings attached. Haha.
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Just a friendly tip.
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Those traits are not entitled to MMO's alone, it's called RPG. So no Diablo doesn't take those things (leveling etc) from MMO's, as RPGs came before that and Diablo is an RPG. If anything they took it from RPGs, but well, as an RPG it would be odd if it didn't have RPG elements.
Anyways, just pointing that out. An MMO is usually an RPG just online, and well MM (massive multiplayer) it's intended to be massive, Diablo for one isn't in that sense. That's what I like, that's how it's a different kind of RPG game that despite that, still is online. For us who prefer to game online and not solo. (not saying that can't be fun.)
But I enjoy the online aspect, and having left MMO's for the first time I have no intention to go back to that again.. so Diablo is just the thing for me now, I can play online without it being this endless worlds with endless possibilities that never end. Diablo is still limited compared. I fancy the idea that this might work as more "Casual Play" for me, and I can keep my online gaming to that extent.
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You Sir, made up for all the ignorant blizz buttlicking that never cease to anger me. Honestly though, you put it very well and that's really what's it about, not how much we hate Blizzard. I'd call it, customer relations. Did you mention that or ? In any case that's what it is. Your customer is the key to your success, don't just act indifferent towards them, and expect them to just "be patient" or thankful or whatever.
Even though they know "we'll all buy it" that's no excuse, in any case that's even worse, exploiting their fans loyalty by going "ah its okay if we delay, they'll still buy it." I put it on the edge there, but you see where I'm going ?
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Dunno what you'd expect, normal being super hard ? It's the lowest diff, it should be not only manageable, but easy, so that every player no matter how crappy can do it. That's the point, casuals play games as well. I like a challenge, and I'm a fan of tough games, but I still think of others, if you want a non-casual game then you have that option. No where does it say Diablo is just for "leets". The casual player has as much right to play games as you do.
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That still doesn't make it ok. That's like saying they shouldn't care about the customer, we are what make their game/product worth something. Without us what good is it. By that I mean we are entitled to something. You can't just expect to sell something if you don't care about your customer. I'm not saying they don't care, that was putting it on edge to further a point. But we are the "fans" for this game, and that makes us the most important factor. How long are you supposed to be told "just be happy" and accept things, if you're not satisfied? The take it or leave it attitude is very wrong if you want your fans to keep staying patient. If everyone was unsatisfied would it still be ok to just say "just be happy" ? No, then everyone would leave and there would be no one to play the damned game. We are entitled to opinions, and a little respect.
Also, when you're patient and wait for something (which we have done a lot in this case) you should be rewarded in some way if anything, not be told oh just be happy. We don't have to wait, that's the thing. We can say F this. Yeah I know people will still wait, but they probably know that. That doesn't make it ok, because if they wasn't so sure of this, they could risk loosing their fans, which wouldn't be ok for them and not a ok way to treat fans. That is exactly the reason why if anything you should appreciate the loyalty and patience of your fans (customers) and by that reward or encourage them to keep being so good and patient. You don't achieve that by indifference.
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Simply because at least that's a bone, all we have for now. Beta info please?
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Awesome. Can't wait to hide my helm.
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Anyway I'm sure it's mostly random or they'll just change how they pick participants. The only thing might be system specs. But yeah I won't make too much fuss about it, no way in hell I'll resub to world of nolife craft just to get a beta inv. The beta isn't even that long, oh wait, that is if there will even BE an beta. Which from the looks of it, looks like never. First they announce a beta which isn't there and cause unnecessary hype, then they delay the game right after? like what did you smoke? lol. It's just provoking really. So no I won't make a lot of fuss to get myself into this beta, I'm sure in the end the LIMITED invites comes down to luck, with a few tiny factors that impact it. No intention to rant here, it's just my opinion. The better question is WHEN will the beta be ? How about asking this, even though they already said it was supposed to begin. When will we be seeing those invites, more importantly now that the game is postponed. Like I said no fuss, but that to me is more interesting, to know WHEN, because it feels lame to be excited over the beta I don't know when I'll see, let alone trying to get into it.
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Well we're in 2011 now, soon 2012, that's the difference. And to some graphics of a VISUAL medium make the whole experience better, so not only equally important to gameplay (subjective) but with a good gameplay good graphics only increases the whole experience of the game that much more. I get that you all value gameplay, but you can't be telling me that you DON't want good graphics as well, then you are focusing too much on gameplay, because good graphics is no minus, it's just that you seem to relate good graphics to bad gameplay. Doesn't need to be the case. Think of some really awesome games, either SPs or online games, with awesome graphics to boot, you're just like WOOT I love the new age of gaming, I can have an awesome time with a game, AND visually get the feel that it's more real. It's not a lego game. So yes for me personally, big fan of gameplay, but man I love good graphics in games, it's so beatiful and graphics will just keep pushing boundaries. The feel of playing a game will just get more and more awesome. As a oldschooler I know the value of gameplay very well, it can make a game totally awesome even if the graphics aren't much to brag about, but that doesn't mean I say no thanks to graphics. I'll take both, thank you.
And yes not only are they outdated as of now, per my standards, I expect games to be up to their date in graphics, but next year.. think of the time this has been in development, and keep pushing it on top.. soon the graphics will be dinosaur old. I like how it looks, and like I said I value gameplay I'll play D3, but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to have even better graphics for a new upcoming online game like this, especially an old classic like Diablo. It would make it that more awesome, already I feel let down cause the graphics (not art) remind me of WoW, the feeling of it, and those has almost always sucked, people loved Wow for it's gameplay, why do you think it lasts so long, graphics ? Even I liked them, and even I liked D3 graphics from the first vids, but times are moving. Boo to delaying D3, and boo to not being able to do better with graphics than this, seems lazy.. and when you claim delaying is to "polish" why are you too lazy to polish the graphics ? At least have a little class, when you make us wait longer to make the end result better, don't we deserve this much ? (better graphics)
Anyways know lots of you don't give a F about graphics, but I don't really care, because I sincerely do and to people with an eye for visuals it should be normal to appreciate well... visually nice things. That said I know that most likely, I'll still play D3. Just had to add lol, the image of jay going like "they'll all still buy it anyway" comes to mind.
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Anyway what I wanted to ask here was that who says there will be any waves any time soon ? It might just be well, for press and stuff and not us. Yet that is. Since they go ahead and say beta's here and ppl don't get any keys, that already tells me they don't really care if we now "assume" we will be getting access shortly, or else why bother to announce beta's here when it's not for the public so to say. My point is for all we know there might still be a while until any of us get any invs.
They are "okay" with us waiting although we are now expecting keys as it says BETAZ HEREZ OMGZ RUN GUYEZ.. and it's an all out panic situation. Reminds me of when the fire alarm goes off, and there's not really any fire.. why did I just go outside and freaking freeze my ass off. Oh it's just a drill.. Maybe this is a drill as well ? This is to get us prepared for the absolute chaos and mayhem that will occur when beta hits.
Get ready guys, it's gonna be crazy.