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Quote from Daemaro

Guys calm down, please keep it civil.

I'm struggling to imagine a way this thread could ever be civil.

Quote from misterwolf

And you could get rid of that annoying signature you have. People have opinions, they vent them.

Go vent on 4chan or reddit where the belligerent masses can properly coddle you in their own teenage angst. This is a forum for Diablo "Fans," not scumbag trolls who want to derail every thread with their incessant whinging.

There have been umpteen threads with the "come on out and bitch with us," topic line (paraphrasing) where you can deposit that filth. Find one of them and use it.

Quote from LordRayken

What if I told you the game cannot be patched or fixed because it is fundamentally broken, and it is FUNDAMENTALLY not the same game as Diablo 2 was.

Take the blue pill.

Quote from Boss_Hogg

/yawn

Another troll post putting this community on the defense or offense. Why don't we post info on the game that can help us play?

This forum game needs more ban-hammer. I sympathize with the mods who have to slog through this trash day after day, but enough is enough.

Quote from Nodnarb

at this point my friends have already quit playing... so legendary in a d3 way might just be a little bit too little and too late :/

I really wish you drama queens would stop treating the short-comings of this game like the holocaust.

We really don't care who has already quit or who is planning to quit. We are here to discuss the game we're still playing because we like it despite the various flaws (most of which, imo, have been or are being addressed). Your friends can come back if they want. It's not like they have to re-subscribe.

Please, please stop shitting up every single thread in this forum with some passive aggressive swipe at blizzard.

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Quote from insanetrasher

If you want to have fun play the game and farm, if you want gear play the AH.

And that be the problem.

It's more of a problem with the players who have become conditioned to exponential equipment improvement from mmo's than with the itemization and drop rates. As this thread has been over a few times now, we're not really experiencing dramatically lower levels of elite items, in-fact there are probably more on the AH than were in trade channels at a similar time in d2 (adjusted to the population difference).

The gulf between D2 player and D3 is that the D2 player has access to every act without a gear benchmark to worry about. The game was incredibly easy by comparison. With D3, players have access to act1-2 inferno and then have to make varying degrees of improvement (class dependent) in order to move up and repeat the farming process in acts 3 and 4. Rather than come to the realization that farming in a new zone right away is relatively meaningless, players have become upset that they can't mirror the results of streamers who have spent billions of gold and probably hundreds of real dollars/euros.

If you have 1-2 level 60 characters and spent a hundred million or more on each of them, it's fairly obvious you've moved a huge way up the equipment ladder. Since you only have the two classes represented, you'll also take no notice in any decent items you find for classes you don't have. At that point the amount of input, be it farming or shelling out gold/cash, necessary to find an upgrade will be much much higher. Personally, I have one character in ~5-7m worth of gear whom I can still find upgrades for (drops, mind you) every now and then. The rest of my characters, geared almost entirely from drops, find upgrades left and right.

The point being, if you actually care about the act of finding your upgrades, stop caring about farming act3, play a new class, and spend little to no gold on it. If you spend all your time looking for the best upgrade you can afford in the AH, you're just diminishing your chances of finding something better yourself.

Quote from rotes

Step 1: Discover suspicious activity
Step 2: Observe, verify suspicions
Step 3: Determine how bot/hack operates
Step 4: Design and test countermeasures
Step 5: Banwave, enact countermeasures.

Just a quick tip: If you make step 3 a ban, not even in waves, you only tip your hand and the bot/hack folks get the chance to:
Step 1: Determine how bot/hack was detected/tracked
Step 2: Design and test new methods of hooking in to the game process
Step 3: LoL @ blizzard for failing to actually hose you before you could come up with more workarounds because they told you they found your means & methods.

So chill out. They can't just ban willy nilly or they only increase the speed at which bots & hacks evolve, like an arms race.

This thread should be gassed and this post ought to be sticky.

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Quote from phoulmouth

I am glad to see that a religious man and an extreme athiest can come to an agreement and treat each other with civility on an internet forum.

I think I mentioned this before, but I think that this thread is remarkably civilised, considering the topic at hand, and how easy it is to enter the whole black vs. white debate.

Most of the insane people who would blow this thread to pieces don't play video games named after the devil.

Quote from luizdeh

• Magic find and gold find will no longer be averaged in multiplayer games.
• Monster health will now be a flat increase of 75% health (per player), regardless of the difficulty in multiplayer.
• No more enrage timers on elites.
• Elites will no longer heal to full health
• They are increases the health of normal monsters (but increasing the drop of magic or rare items by a factor of four), and lowering the health of champions and rares to shrink the gap between them.
• They are adjusting fire chains and shielding, and REMOVING Invulnerable Minions.
• They want to make all items that drop be good, however this is not something they can fully do in 1.0.4. However weapons of ilvl 61 and 62 can now roll damage that extends all the way to top ilvl 63 weapons
• To help with the dual-wielding and two-handers, they will be adding a new set of stronger affixes
• Reducing repair costs of high-end items by 25%
• Legendary changes will have its own blog post
• MANY more blogs to come covering the buffing of unused skills, and big improvements to wd pets.

Sounds good to me.

Quote from Shamubar

they been dragging they're feet over fixes im sure they will get fixed eventually.

They have addressed a few issues and let us know what they are working on for the next patch, admittedly without much detail, but that's expected. I, for one, am not armchair developer enough to say they are dragging their feet. For all I know they're working overtime.

Quote from Shamubar

Sadly even when and if they do get fixed im sure players will find another thing wrong with the game and the cycle will start all over again

That's actually not a bad thing. Players giving constructive feedback on flawed mechanics, bugs, etc. are what helps keep the wheels on the track. The problem is when the feedback devolves into what you see predominating this thread; ie. nonsensical character attacks on the lead developer, nebulous moaning over the non-sense word "endgame," and attempts to characterize the game as a failure out of the gate.

Thankfully, If everyone does there part (by reporting these people here and on the bnet forums), we'll eventually be rid of them.

Quote from Zergie

Again, my suggestions were just common sense, stop with the lame personal attacks, discuss thread or GTFO imo.

This was the suggestion in question:

Quote from Zergie

AH should be, no item limit, and require a deposit to list, say 10-15% of first bid.

If that's common sense, i'm glad blizzard doesn't have it.

So much drama over what one big-bad game developer said about another. Can't we all just take a who-gives-a-crap pill and stop the endless prattling on about something that has no bearing on any of our lives?

Facebook is the anti-christ. I will never use it. Screw my friends.

As a privately-run forum aimed at fans of Diablo3, I think there's an obligation on the part of participants to respect the fact that (most) people are here precisely because we like the game, and want to talk about it, and the mods have a legitimate mandate to facilitate that end.

There's a certain entertainment value to be had from attempting to disabuse people of certain unfacts (D3 took 11 years to make, Jay Wilson was solely responsible for all bad decisions, etc) or from attempting to dismantle conspiratorial narratives (all Blizzard cares about is the RMAH, D3 is the worst game ever)... but honestly, it's like eating a whole bucket of KFC. It might feel good while you're doing it, but you feel horrible afterwards and vow never to do it again (until mmmmmm... dat smell).

In the end, though, this isn't some general-purpose internet arena that is obliged to welcome all comers, and which exists for the primary purpose of enabling trolls and intransigent scrappers. When someone starts a "What was Blizzard thinking..." thread and they're looking for possible insights into game design, or a good-natured bitchfest about some stupid aspect in an otherwise pretty good game (Arcane Descrator Frozen FireChains Burning Constructs dafuq??) that's fine. Exchange will ensue, and it'll probably be good. But when it's a purely rhetorical question from someone just looking for a fight and/or affirmation, I just don't see the point in letting it live. It'll turn into a toxic puddle of ad-homs and nit-picking over semantics before you can say "Let us cleanse it from this land", and the whole thread will proceed with a tedious inevitability.

As for spurious railing against censorship... I don't want to see goatse, Kirk/Mudd slashfic or long rambling discussions about whether or not Tom Bombadil is a metaphor for a possible JRRT mushroom habit. Feel free to censor those, and nuke the occasional blatant troll thread along with it. Long live the moderators.

Quote from Bilge

All I'm noticing about your stance is that it takes the spotlight completely off of Blizzard and the bad design issues which have sparked this spate of dissatisfied threads in the first place. Attacking the symptoms of a problem is make-work; the problem won't go away until you dig into its cause(s).

Arguably this is one of the things this thread is directly about.

This thread is about increasing the quality of discussion on these forums. Increasing the sound-to-noise ratio, so to speak. That includes NOT derailing things. This thread is not about Blizzard and there's no reason to even bring them into this particular discussion. This thread is not about who is to blame. This thread is about the people who use THIS forum and how to get away from what I like to refer to as "RMAH raped my grandmother" posts.

We get that you hate Blizzard. There is no reason at all to inject it into this discussion because this discussion is about how to promote reasonable, adult, discussion on these forums and eliminate not only duplicate posting but posting simply for the sake of hearing yourself whine, etc.

If this is a fansite then most posts, including the negative ones, should be aimed at IMPROVING the game that we're a fan of. It shouldn't be posts detailing how many of your homies quit the game unless that has some relevance to how to improve the game. If a person doesn't have direct suggestions as to how to improve the game their posts should still leave things in such a manner that others could say "yeah, I hear what you're talking about and I think this would go a ways to fix it."

But we don't need posts saying how GW2 is going to rape faces and D3 is just for pedos, or how every last little function of the game is nothing more than a RMAH scheme so that Jay Wilson can purchase a gold-plated space shuttle, or multiple posts about how shitty Legendaries are after Blizzard said they'd begun working on addressing that very problem.

We need to be forward-thinking. But so much of the discussion is, quite literally, crying over spilled milk. Instead of crying about it, since you can't un-do it, let's talk about getting a sponge and making the best out of a bad situation. If that's beyond someone then they really should take their negativity and find another game and forum to appease themselves.

No matter what, no game appeals to everyone. The simple fact that a game doesn't appeal to you, though, isn't carte blanche to turn every thread into a "sky is falling" hand-wringing mess of animosity and pessimism.

EDIT
Just to be clear here.... my stance is that we're all FANS of the game, right? I simply would expect that we'd all behave as such. People who, say, are actively rooting for Blizzard to fail have no business here as an example. We are fans, we should want this franchise to succeed, therefore we should all be forward-thinking regardless of if we have a positive or negative opinion. We should be eager to propose quality solutions instead of tear things down just for the sake of ranting and raving.

Quote from coldone22

Well you all have read the notes so I wont go into details.
However most of these fixes are easy and small ones that could have been done within the first week or two,

Oh? i sure haven't read the full notes that describes all all the changes, mind linking them?

Balancing all the classes within 1-2 weeks after release? are you new to gaming?

Useless rant thread is useless.

Game doesn't suit you, quit.

Quote from Lioncash

I sadly can't see this happening though

Then why did you come back here? You hope for one thing, and then end the post with this.

I just read through this whole thread, it took me two days of not so productive work time.

At the start of this thread i would have labelled my self a god denier (someone who denies the existence of any god or higher power), but after some careful and well thought out posts made by Proletaria, I now consider myself an atheist (the same stance as Proletaria to avoid confusion and misinterpretation).

I just wanted to thank everyone for having this discussion, it was a real eye opener into the minds and psych of many religious positions.

I can't believe how short sighted i was in believing that there was absolutely no possibility for any sort of god. How can i make such an illogical step without considering why?

I think if you are to take anything away from reading this thread, it is to question why you believe what you believe. Was it a logical conclusion? How can I know there is no god if there is no proof? How can i assume there is a god if we have no (empirical) proof? Why do I need to take a stance on either side of the fence? It really is OK to not know, and accept that.

I just wanted to let you to know Proletaria, that your thread had it's desired effect. Even if you were more or less aiming for someone on the other side of the fence.

Thank you.