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Xfire as source is a sad panda, but it shows a trend. Keep in mind Diablo is a series where people quit then pick it back up later on at some point, this isn't a MMO that requires 100% up-time of players. Learn the genre you’re trying to compare to.

Game has issues and currently no endgame, yes it’s agreed can anybody else bitch or give constructive criticism on something else for once?

Item grind is currently endgame.... well that's a piss poor endgame and if D2 didn't have ladder, PvP and that other entire stuff people would have said the same damn thing. This game needs some patches and more content, but remember D2 wasn't so great on release either.

I find it funny people think D2 was full of I can find whatever I want so easy. Did any of you actually find a Zod rune ever? How about Tyreal's might, or the IK soul cage... I could go on and on but there is no point.

Ahhh the good old AH debate... let’s go back to D2 shall we. Did any of you trade ever? If so then you are using a form of the AH the only difference now is it's much easier to obtain new items through inflated currency. Not everyone used 3rd party sites but now it’s a common practice. Your choice to use it or not should not be a factor for QQ

Too add to the AH "woes" every person who complains they can't find an upgrade bought a bunch of gear from the AH... WTH do you expect. Say you traded a bunch of your duped Soj's, +skill charms, and runes for an amazing assassin set. You then try to grind for items but yet you don't find any upgrades... hmm wonder why.

TL:DR QQ derp derp derp derp derp

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Useless rant thread is useless.

Game doesn't suit you, quit.

Exactly /thread ffs

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@Ruppgu I agree that the other classes got big perks to encourage a variety of class builds, but the WD only got fixes that should have been there in the first place. Blizzard did take your suggestion to fix the mana problem on the WD. You complained that every other class does not cost resources to use their primary attack (i.e. Splinters) and in most cases it actually increases their resources to use your primary attack. The WD is the only class that loses mana/resource when using the primary. The fix is kind of funny though... You HAVE to use one of your valuable Passives in order to gain resources with primary attacks. In essence, to be equal with other classes, you have to give up one of three passives. That is hardly an equal playing field. All of the other classes got a boost to DPS and the WD lost a passive slot. Wow!

On the positive side, the pet situation may be fixed and that is huge. But that is not a boost like the other classes got, that is a fix.

+1 but they didn't talk about any other abilities in general so more to come I'm sure. If all the Dots for the other classes get a boost so should ours and that will help.

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exactly a OVERVIEW - so i atleast expect ONE sentence like "oh an we change some of the underpowered might, defensive, taticts and rage abilities too"
is one sentence to much to ask?

I suppose your right but considering the backlash Blizzard receives I'm not surprised they didn't put any brief sentences in. If we received a blog that comprised of 4 lines of every change for the Barb with no reasoning or details I'm quite sure there would be a lot of WTF. It would be nice to see a "book" of line by line every single detail the have worked but that's asking a bit much. You could also be right and they are only focusing on offensive abilities. Maybe defensive abilities will be in 1.0.5. Overall I'm happy with at least knowing that I can use a fury spender, use a different fury generator and have worthwhile legendary items. This will keep me very happy till 1.0.4. and there are still many announcements to be made.

TL:DR job well done Blizzard I'm excited for the new patch.

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What im trying to say is that i dont want my legendaries that im using right now to loose alot of worth, and therefore i feel the need to sell them before the patch hits, rather than selling them later and getting nothing for them. And i didnt say im forced to.. Only if i dont want to loose gold.

I see what you’re getting at but let’s just say patch 1.0.4 doesn't come out for another year. Your items will lose value over time because more items just as powerful will be available on the market. You are essentially trying to rent your items. Be happy if you still get decent money on them considering you’re still that much more powerful to obtain more gold and items compared to what you were before your purchases. The old items will have some value because they are still “okay” you just won’t get a premium on them compared to an okay rolled rare.

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Feels kind of like a pain in the ass to be forced to sell your old stuff before the patch hits, if you dont wanna loose alot of gold. What do you think?

You are not forced to sell anything... are you sitting on a stockpile of legendaries and simply haven't bothered to sell them? Have you had trouble selling your legendaries and simply have ran out of time since you tried selling them for too much? Do you plan on selling all your gear and trying to buy the new stuff immediately when it's available. I'm not sure what your getting at.

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Bottom line; now that they look to be pretty awesome, their relative scarcity is 100% justified. I don't want to find a legendary every 2 hours. I want to find one once in a great while and get super excited because I know I just found something that is special and that I can use.

*That* is what makes them fun. If they are relatively common then they lose their appeal.

Just the idea of when I see that bronze colour (I think it's bronze I'm slightly colour blind) I will actually get excited now. That is all I could ask for.

What!? I might use a fury spender... interesting concept!

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Hopefully this will resolve a good deal of the rubber banding that happens. Hopefully.

Me too.. but they said rubber banding for high latency.. not rubber banding for awesome connections :/

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Am I the only one here, who thinks Diablo 3 is one of the worst games ever?

First off, I log on... Go kill, expect there to be fun when I play a game I paid $60 for. And somehow... just somehow I get bored and log of f right after. This is not the kind of experience I want from a Blizzard game. But it just somehow happens.
Diablo 2 has almost nothing similar to Diablo 3... Cool-down added..., Weapon Swapping removed, gems/runes removed, skill system that let you have choices on your build... removed, stat system customization removed , reduced magic-find, all gone from the players eyes. What is the game?

There is a reason why RPG's are fun, but this simply is just a loot game that calls itself an RPG.

This is not an RPG game; it's an ARPG which is a hack n slash game with some lore which attributes to the RPG factor

If you find weapon swapping removal a core function of dissatisfaction I’m not sure how you could be happy with anything ever… Gear swapping still exists it just a manual process with potential being changed to a button swap.

Gems still exist... a sad version though, runes are in the game they changed how they worked, as for D2 they weren’t added till an expansion. You seem to be one of those I tried D2 when it came out 10 years later kind of people.

You choose what skills you want... derp

The illusion of choice... max vit stacking, yup so much choice is gone (gems is the new version of this BTW).

MF is King is this game WTF are you on.

Seriously go have no idea what you’re talking about... if anything these topics have been discussed at least a year ago, where have you been?

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Why do the general "entitlement thumpers" on here feel as if it is too much to ask for blizzard to remember how they got to where they are today? You do not build anything that lasts without sticking to the core values and loyal customers that stick with you through the ups and downs. I know this b/c I help run a family business that has been in business for over 20 years. Blizzard is a business and should be treated as one.

Then treat Blizzard like a business: If their games are fun, buy them. Otherwise, don't.

You seem to forget that you have already reaped the rewards of early adoption: You got to play and enjoy the game before the newer players. You got to accumulate gear before the newer players. Everything you have in game? You got it before the newer players. That is the benefit of supporting the game from the beginning.

You haven't earned any special items or treatment. You paid $60, the same as everyone else. What makes you more special than someone who buys the game tomorrow? Playing the game is supposed to be its own reward, so why are you sitting here asking for more? What have you done that entitles you to better treatment than the newer players?

Why are you asking for more when Blizzard has already provided you with patches, fixes, and a solid game?

Again, what have you done that makes you deserving of more than the other players?

Well, u make me feel like nothing I do makes me more deserving (i disagree). But, I will say this. Like it or not, my feedback is just as important as someone who feels the opposite as I do. I dont think I am a minority here either. So let me put the shoe on your foot. What can I do so that my opinion holds as much weight as yours? Or do you feel like anyone expressing their opinion on here if not positive is a waste of time? I have been constructive in past post with suggestions as to how to quiet some of this calamity, and I have agreed and disagreed with good and bad ideas alike.

Feedback is fine. Asking for handouts is not.

The premise of your thread is that the "newer you are to the game the better off you are." This premise is demonstrably false. If someone were to purchase the game today, they'd start off at level 1 with no gear and no idea how any of the classes work. I, on the other hand, have been playing since the first week. I have a decent set of gear (for my time played), I've cleared inferno, I have some resources (gold and mats) saved up, and I know how to play my class and what stats are desireable for my class. I am clearly better off than a new player. So, why is it that you suggest otherwise? Because they don't have to deal with the harder version of inferno? Because they will never have a pre 1.0.4 legendary drop and know how worthless it is? Have you forgotten that the earliest adopters are, generally speaking, the ones that made tons of gold selling inferno gear to the people that hadn't yet reached/made progress through inferno?

All I see you asking for are free benefits. You want them to scrap the legendary buffs because then noobs have a chance at getting a better item than you have? Uh, how about the fact that pre-1.0.4 legendaries are terrible? Do you really think such a major issue with the game should be left intact just so that "noobs" can't get them before you do? And why should you be given perks for past time spent playing? Did you not enjoy that time spent? Have you never considered that, if they gave you credit for that time, botters would all start off at paragon level 100?

Why do you have a problem with new players benefiting just as much as old players? They still have to work to hit max level, they still have to work to acquire gear, and they certainly have to work a hell of a lot harder than YOU do to take advantage of the 1.0.4 changes.

So, again, feedback and opinions are fine. Asking to screw over new players is not fine. No one should benefit from new players being screwed over -- that's bad design and a horrible way to treat new potential "loyal" fans.

You mentioned that you help run a family business. Think about this: What if a new customer walked into your business and stood in line behind a regular customer. Let's say they were both buying the same item. Let's say you charge the regular $10 for the item, but you charge the new customer $12. Do you think that new customer will ever want to visit your business again? Congratulations, you just lost a potentially loyal customer.

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Right you are proletaria, and the names you list also show the huge diversity in styles and sounds that made great music great. I'm not so surprised at the cookie cutter bands out there today, but I am stunned at how many singers sound so similar. I didn't think it possible, but the list in the mainstream is shamefully huge. The other thing I find sad is the lack of patience found in the top rated music as well, everything is so rushed.

I wouldn't be so quick to pin the problem on a lack of sound diversity because, as far as I remember, many of the bands you and I both mentioned made a habit of borrowing each others' ideas, sounds, and style. What I think sets this generation, and I use that phrase ever-so-loosely since it spans a few decades, of music apart from the giants of my time is the fact it's now all so uninspiring.

In the post-war (second world war) era, there was so much gravitas coming from the blues community and the fledgling rock/folk types like Cash. They elevated the issues of racial tension that really tapped our civil right's struggles. They pulled no punches mocking political figures and decrying the inadequacy of some legal failings of the day. They even made light of the red scare when it was in full swing. To date, I do not believe any musician has displayed that kind of courage and it really does come across. The last time I can recall a modern band with a serious social/political thrust to their music it was the ho-hum repetitive ballads of Green Day bemoaning the situation of upper-middle-class children.

During the 60's and 70's, the era with which I feel the most kinship, our music was almost entirely driven by the blooming civil rights movement, the Vietnam war, the upset with the Kennedy administration (many people forget that back then, criticism of politicians wasn't so partisan: we called republicans and democrats on their injustices with an even hand), Nixon, and our international parade of government toppling to deny communists the same pleasure. I think the closes modern equivalent was the very early rap music scene where the social injustice of the inner city post white-flight was really brought to the forground in a new sound. I was never a fan of Run DMC or Ice Cube, but I could still listen to some of their music and appreciate the feeling that went into making it was legitimate.

As the 70's rolled on into the 80's and 90's things began to dilute in a hurry. Once Collins, Springsteen, and the like had more or less exhausted their re-vamp of the folk-era in rock format the convservative moral majority had begun to make serious inroads into censorship. Music, admittedly, by this point had become more "vulgar," in the most literal sense, but I think that was more a means of establishing new identities than simply shocking the audience. However; this excuse was used and reckoned to a veritable drum-beat by the convseratives and by the late 90's music on the radio had been bleached and pressure washed to such an extent that new sounds simply couldn't arise with the same volume they had in the past. Metal was, I think, the best response music came up with to this, but American metal music went insane while the Europeans really defined it into a rail against cold-war American enterprise abroad.

Fast forward to the present day where censorship has become more relaxed and I think the issue is now with people and artists finding a common theme. There had been so much time in that era of white-washed 90's rock where we thought nobody would ever bring back a new 1969 that it appeared to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Techno revived the lumpen-awful that was disco. New rap bastardized the revolution that was the original hip-hop. Then, to top it all off, the "alternative," beat became the worst of both worlds: Inherently meaningless, aimed at an affluent audience, and celebrating/protesting nothing in particular.

tl;dr: There are very few bands these days with a voice. They are concerned with their sound or identifying themselves in some esoteric way, but at the end of the day it's easier than ever to simply emulate than it was before. What will bring about the next wave of "good," music is anyone's guess, but I suspect that it will require people in the music industry to tap back into the pleasure and the unrest of society and stop trying to lead it by the nose. The very term "pop," as in "popular," music makes me want to smash recording studio equipment.

@Ruppgu I agree that the other classes got big perks to encourage a variety of class builds, but the WD only got fixes that should have been there in the first place. Blizzard did take your suggestion to fix the mana problem on the WD. You complained that every other class does not cost resources to use their primary attack (i.e. Splinters) and in most cases it actually increases their resources to use your primary attack. The WD is the only class that loses mana/resource when using the primary. The fix is kind of funny though... You HAVE to use one of your valuable Passives in order to gain resources with primary attacks. In essence, to be equal with other classes, you have to give up one of three passives. That is hardly an equal playing field. All of the other classes got a boost to DPS and the WD lost a passive slot. Wow!

On the positive side, the pet situation may be fixed and that is huge. But that is not a boost like the other classes got, that is a fix.

500+ hours in three months is roughly 35-45 hours per week, or 5-6 hours per day.

I cannot name a single game which I have genuinely played for 5-6 hours a day for three straight months and not become tired of in some manner. You are taking about a very heavy time commitment - a time commitment beyond what most hardcore WoW raiders put in on progression content.

There is no way that you are NOT talking about burnout here, even if you don't know it, even if you deny it. You're talking about playing D3 almost as much on a weekly basis for the last 3 months that most people spend at work. It's obscene to think that you can spend that much time playing a game and not burn out in some fashion. It's almost illogical.

It's also illogical to basically say that the only people who have a valid perspective on the game are the same group who, generally, are going to be disappointed by the game... yet that's basically your entire point. If you don't play D3 as much on a weekly basis as you go to work then your opinion cannot be taken seriously.

Sorry, I don't buy it. Purposefully-disclusionary statements like that (from both sides) are why half of all threads turn into a fanboys vs haters flame war. We can't have a discussion without someone coming and telling you that if you only play 1-3 hours per day that your opinion is worthless or something else along those lines.

Telling people their opinions are not to be taken seriously because they are not playing the game 40 hours per week is not only rude and presumptuous but disrespectful and inflammatory.

Perseid meteor shower was appearing in Las Vegas's the north east skies but unfortunately my deck faces south, none the less I gave it a go. Out of 2223 shots I captured 2 meteors which I had a laugh about (well I wasn't planning on camping outside overnight for this when my deck is 5 steps from my bed); still the two videos are pretty cool.

A; No shit bud, Blizzard is a business. Making smart business moves kind of.... comes with the territory.
B; D3 took 5 years to develop, stop citing the start time as when Diablo 2 launched.
C; Yes, they took less time to develop their games at the start, and pooled all their resources into one game at a time. Why? Because they were a tiny company, and the games they made were really simple.
D; You give no actual facts or points as to why you think D3 is broken / sub-par / superdy duper bad, you just spout of those words.
E; People didn't want to move from SC1 to SC2 because SC1 was almost perfectly balanced, and it had become an Esport. Players had spent countless hours on perfecting their game to beat other players, it only makes sense some were hesitant.

I also like how you just assume the million annual pass subs would have just quit wow, I like making up numbers too!

TLDR; More QQ about Blizzard being a company, and a smart one at that, and you don't like a game they have made. Mind if I check up on you in a week, see if you still play?

Of course this post will come with many many people saying "They said inferno would be hard, now its nerfed to the ground!"

Well.. I agree somewhat, but when you read between the lines, I think what they are actually saying is this:

"Look guys, inferno was a bad idea - we meant it to be a flat always hard difficutly, we found out that wouldn't work in testing, but we knew we couldn't remove it because people would have a fit if we removed ANOTHER feature. A side problem was our original intent for END GAME was inferno - well with inferno not working out how we wan't we no longer have an end game - but we're working on that. Here are some changes to make the game play more like it should with out the concept of inferno - stay tuned for more changes to totally fix the game"

Thats what I read. I think the part of me that wants to see a hard game is sad at how easy a time I'll have on my monk in Inferno - It will be face melting hilarity.. but then.. thats what D2 was and I loved it! I don't need 5 min champ pack fights - I need fun REWARDING demon melting fun. I think this all sounds like a good first step to that goal.

The Weapon Damage on i lvl 61-62 increase thing is AWESOME. Not only will it make finding weapons more exciting, it will make crafting weapons worthwhile.

So, this is a great first step - I feel like this hits the nail on the head as far as a "look the game is messed up, we can't make it perfect fast (ie in 1 patch) but we are doing these things to make it as good as possible in its current state"

Bravo imo - looking forward to playing again.

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It is a trend in Blizzard lately. Their latest decisions have been dumbing down of their games. Like CATA, SCII, Diablo 3, introduction of battle.net 2.0. It's getting worse and worse. That's why I don't share your optimism that Diablo 3 will get super awesome because Diablo 2 and Starcract also had some problems back in 1990s/2000s. Blizzard had a lot of time to learn from those mistakes. It took them 6-7 years to complete Diablo 3, even half-assed, but complete nonetheless. So that shouldn't be an argument at all. Blizzard just doesn't give a shit anymore.

A trend lately?? Dumbing down and polishing up is half of what Blizzard does. WoW was a dumbed-down Everquest. Warcraft was a dumbed-down Herzog Zwei. Diablo, for God's sake, was a dumbed-down Hack... in fact, compared to its turn-based comtemporaries, Diablo was a breathtakingly shallow piece of brainless eyecandy... but it was infinitely more accessible. SC notwithstanding, Blizzard isn't in the business of making convoluted hardcore games designed to make their players feel special and awesome. Blizzard is, and has always been in the business of taking good ideas, then simplifying and broadening their appeal then selling 100 times more of them than anyone else.

I meant in relation to their previous games(ie: WC3, D2, SC, all WoWs up till Lich King). Also Battle.net took a hard turn for the worst with the new 2.0, eliminating social aspect, practicality etc. Diablo 2 had distribution of stats, choosing of skills in the skill tree, you had control, strategy over your character, you actually had to think it through. In Diablo 3, however, all of that is gone because apparently it was "too confusing" and "tedious", so now even your grandma can play, hurray! OR the addition of CD potions and health globes, making potions useless in D3. Same goes for scrolls etc. Look at PoE, their potion system is way better than D2 and D3, it's perfectly designed as an upgrade, nor dumbed down, nor removed.

Blizzard got lazy. It's evident in the entire game how lazy it feels, how senseless and shallow it is. It's just sad. What next? Are they gonna take out all characters but one because it is "too confusing" to make up your mind on which character to choose since they all have different skills? You can also see this misunderstanding of what a Diablo game should be in the dialogue, the lore, the overall plot of the game, the art direction, the atmosphere. It does not feel like a Diablo game. More like a game for an ADHD 12 year old child.

That's absolutely ridiculous.

D2 had stats, except that the only right way to spend your stat points 99% of the time was get enough str & dex to use the gear you wanted then dump the rest into vitality. There was no choosing, your choices were an outright illusion.

As for talent points those were again canned. Pick a few abilities you felt you wanted to max, pick a main damage spell and max it. It became even less of a choice when they introduced synergies because you basically picked a main damage spell, maxed it, then maxed any abilities with gave a synergy to it. That's not choice. That's not difficult.

D3 is dumbed down because it doesn't have scrolls? Really. That sounds like you're grasping for straws. What measure of complexity or difficulty did carrying 20 scrolls around in a tome add to the game that wasn't completely outweighed by the fact that between Identify and Town Portal tomes you wasted 4 slots in you inventory? What was so awesome about that mechanic?

As for D3 being a game that even grandma can play, my guess is that grandma would have a far easier time making a toon that can farm for gear in D2 than in D3. Did you know that D2 was actually so easy that they actually had to buff monsters at least once? Check out 1.10 patch notes. D2 took about the same mental power as that of a grasshopper to play, yet it was still a goddamned awesome game that tons of people played for an absurdly long time. Yet, somehow while having a huge hardon for what D2 was you're going to sit here with a straight face and attempt to tell me that games aren't good unless they're complex and difficult. Final Fantasy VII was not exactly that difficult, yet it remains one of my absolute favorite games ever. Super Mario 64 wasn't exactly complex, but I still replay that game with great joy. I seriously wonder how Nintendo ever made money based on your standards.

You clearly love Path of Exile. I hear Kripparian has a man-crush on the game too. Maybe you can go annoy them instead of trolling. You are here holding D3 to standards that you'd never hold any other game to, and you're entirely misinformed about the Diablo series. You make statements that no one in their right mind could agree with because it's simply a skewed view of reality.

But, hey, I hear that picking +10 to a stat or +6% attack speed in Path of Exile are the MOST EXCITING CHOICES EVER. Oh wait, the only exciting choices in their talent system are the 1-in-100 interesting choices that aren't some flat modifier to a stat or attack speed or damage with <weapon type>. Sounds absolutely exhilirating. Hypocrite.

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What is it with people these days? You see a bug and act like it's just the most ridiculous, inexcusable incompetency you've ever seen?

It's just a fuckin bug, you drama babies. You know, that thing that every single game ever made, EVER, ALWAYS has, in EVERY GAME!!!

It's like you kids are friggin five....jeez. Babies

I'm debating reporting both posts, honestly. Not only is this a known bug (but also a bug that no one would EVER complain about if it netted them a pair of 500 million gold items), but the OP is clearly using it as a thin veil to take a jab at Blizzard employees.

It's only "fail programming" because the item he got was dogshit. If he got a 1200 dps, 100% crit damage, 600+ LoH, socketed 1her with either str/dex and vit on it, he'd certainly not be ranting about Blizzard's "fail programming." To me that equates to trolling.

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I've always advocated the phrase "PRNG is PRNG" because it's a bit more accurate! Most people forget that even the best PRNG algorithms aren't truly random. It's so much easier to turn that into a rage @ Blizzard post than to understand that computers can never, truly, generate random numbers, they can just attempt to approximate it.