Right now I got a g15. Ive had it for years. Dont remember when I bought it; a very long time ago. Its pretty durable spilt all kinds things on it etc.
I got a g700 mouse too.
Personally I wish I didnt drop so much on a keyboard, or get one of those thats contoured for ergonomics. None of the extra stuff really matters when you boil it down.
I do like my mice having extra buttons to program though.
Also, on the computer upgrade. Me personally, I wouldnt upgrade anything until you see how diablo 3 actually runs on your comp, or at least until a release date is set.
No sense shortchanging yourself or spending extra money doing it now for the game not to come out till after Xmas. If it took that long, can easily build a better comp for same price or same one for less.
I plan on getting a new vid card to play Battlefield 3 because mine is like a 4850. If it runs ok on it though, hell i might keep it too until d3 comes out and see how it runs then.
It will be rough. Games like diablo, wow, dota are all terrible terrible games to play if you have more important things going on. Time and time again I get into trouble with these types of games because they suck you in and you spend way too much time going, "one more game, or one more run, etc." "Oh, Ill go to bed at 3, hmm 3:30. Hmm 4 o clock for sure". etc.
I have much better luck, and much better grades when I play shooters or rts. But its hard to not want what the heart wants u know?
Its funny I logged about 200 hours in tf2 over a few years now. And I felt like I played the hell out of it. I still play it from time to time.
I bought Torchlight to screw around, and I logged 50 hours in like 1 or 2 weeks.
So I'd be careful when d3 comes out and try to limit yourself. Or just find a woman. Getting laid usually can help you curb a gaming addiction pretty fast.
Mmm, I wouldn't say that shooter or rts has more or less skill requirement than MOBAs or Diablo. They all have different systems to work within and different elements to monitor.
I mean, soccer is a relatively simply game, but that doesn't mean that the whatever team won the last world cup is less skilled than a football player.
I mean, that statement right there shows some ignorance (i don't watch soccer at all) so I'm just assuming football is more complicated.
Go is simple, chess is complicated, they both require a lot (and different) skills to win.
I didnt mean to say they dont require skill. Its just the level of skill people think they require is a little out of whack. I personally base what takes the most skill on what is hardest to be good at.
Like I feel I have a much better chance of being a Cup Stacking Champion then I ever do of becoming a Professional Football player.
I'm sure most of us have a much better chance at being very good at Dota and d3 pvp then we ever do at other games.
I get what your saying between a soccer player and football player. But these are professional sports who stood the test of time, and are played professionally. Similar to FPS and RTS genres. They are just accepted as the medium. Whereas stuff like wow and d3 isnt.
They are also far more balanced in terms of no team has an advantage over the other except for quality of players. One doesnt play with say 11 men on the field compared to ten. Or one baseball team gets to use an aluminum bat and the other a wooden one.
Nah im not joking. What other RPG or game bases your win on the ability to dodge attacks and aim your own? FPS? Fighter? Diablo has the elements to make it a great PvP game, WoW does not. Again if you think gear makes or breaks Diablo PvP then we can go and make some open battle.net characters, you can get your guy the best legit gear in the game and ill make a guy and go buy gear off charsi and ill be a lower level and I can show you that your gear doesn't mean jack compared to skill buddy. Anyone who says gear > skill in Diablo 2 simply wasn't good at PvP.
I dont even have a diablo cd anymore. But if you wanna keep drinking your own koolaid go ahead I dont really care. Its a gear based game. Always has been, always will. Hey, maybe thats why they are adding a rmah because you know people play diablo for gear. Maybe thats why there was 8 million diablo shops and dupes because hey people want gear to go destroy other gearless ppl. Dodging one measly attack just to one shot someone else is not skillbased pvp. I mean they dont play instagib in shooters professionally do they?
Diablo pvp is pretty much equal to dota/hon/LoL. I like it, but if i was gonna brag about my ability in a game, it would be in a shooter or rts, both with take more skill then any other genre in player vs. player.
I dont see what was so skillful about d2 pvp. Oh look I'm loaded in gear I win. Oh damn I dodged your attack you lost. It was honestly like a precursor to DOTA. Limited skills, mostly clicking, reaction time, gear, and juking. Hell, WoW pvp is more involved.(Flame me but its true). If you guys cared that much about being the greatest pvper ever, you would do it where the skill set needs to be higher.
You could be loaded in gear but if you don't know how to use your character anyone could beat you, that is what made Diablo special. People tend to think good gear = god at pvp which it doesn't in Diablo, it might in WoW but that game is nothing but gear and Auto aimed skills which means the skill level is pretty much low. You are saying WoW is better and more involved yet WoW doesn't have near the reaction time required for D2 pvp nor does it have juking or aiming factor. Diablo is like chess as WoW is to checkers.
I'm gonna flat out pretend this post wasnt meant to actually be serious. Its funny you say gear meant nothing in Diablo, when Diablo is ALL gear. Hell most all rpg pvp games is very very very heavy in the gear to skill ratio.
This is why games like SC2, quake, and such are actually played as esports, whereas not even wow is played as one anymore.
I played my fair share of Diablo. From Release till wow Release. I dont consider using a few hotkeys and dodging some attack the pinnacle of my competitive gaming history. Esp. since the majority of the battles were simply won by showing up in the best gear available at the time.
It was a blast yes. It was the first rpg pvp I had ever done. I plan on pvp being my endgame focus for D3. But I'm not gonna be delusional and biased and sit here and say in good faith diablo 2 pvp was the most skillful things I've had the priviledge of playing. It was some of the most fun pvp I've ever done, but the most fun does not equal the most skillful.
Most people think the things they are good at are the most skillful. Or the things they play. Case in point I went gambling this weekend. My stepdad ONLY plays 3 card poker because he thinks its more skillful then texas holdem. Simply because he actually wins on a 3 card poker table. When its not, its just more fun because hes good at it.
Just enjoy the pvp for what it is when it comes out. If you want to do something "skillful" there are a bunch other games where you will garner far more notariety being good at then diablo.
I love diablo, but honestly what koolaid have some of you guys been drinking? Worrying if d3 will be too easy? What made d2 hard? Lagging out playing hardcore?
Its funny the games that are the easiest to be good at, have the most elitists. Look at Dota, LoL, HoN, WoW. Games you can blame others for your failures.
Pvp will be fine. I dont understand what in the world makes you guys think tdm mode somehow invalidates all strategy, and "skill". I played tdm in a lot of shooters, in tournaments too. No one there took it lightly.
This zerg fest your talking about isnt gonna happen but at the lowest possible level of pvp. Near the top of the matchmaking, I'm pretty sure they will be some very tight, fun games. You SHOULD be facing like-minded individuals and teams.
Because you know, if your competitive, you should have a team so this zergfest your talking about should have some strategy.
I dont see what was so skillful about d2 pvp. Oh look I'm loaded in gear I win. Oh damn I dodged your attack you lost. It was honestly like a precursor to DOTA. Limited skills, mostly clicking, reaction time, gear, and juking. Hell, WoW pvp is more involved.(Flame me but its true). If you guys cared that much about being the greatest pvper ever, you would do it where the skill set needs to be higher.
Anyways I'm looking forward to pvp. I think its gonna be a blast. Looks more involved then d2 and TDM actually allows comebacks. More often then not in a game like this(Take wow for example) once one person is down your in bad shape. You get to regroup and readjust this way.
And for the casual thing. Who cares? Its an easy game, all diablo games were easy. I mean you move your freaking guy by clicking the mouse for god's sake. So a 6 year old can play it. News for you, I saw a 3 year old solve a rubicks cube in 11 minutes on youtube, and an 8 year old solve it in 33 seconds. Now, who cares how old someone is?
Proletaria, we aren't asking for any of this "because it's like WoW." Nobody is looking to take the game in the direction of that piece of garbage (Incoming flame Storm.) I personally love the diablo series and I will be spending the hours upon hours completing the game and finding gear. What I don't like is that the arena feature is such a joke at this point. Unless someone else comes out with their own tournaments and ladders (I'm not even looking for tournaments really,) the arena is going to have most the teams queuing up with almost no strategy and no incentive to play their best. Think of WoW (I referenced WoW I must be a fanboy) and how their non rated games consist of constant leavers and teams who just charge in with no strategy. I wouldn't mind if they made a split non-ranked and ranked mode, so that if you don't want to fight against the more serious, you don't have to.
I dont think your giving enough gamers credit. People made d2 competitive with honestly nearly the same type of pvp. People take stuff seriously. The only games your gonna have people running in with no strategy is in the very beginning of matchmaking.
Once you get out of the gallows and up where people start to take it more serious, they wont be a bunch of people just running in doing whatever. People dont like to lose. This is a fact. I mean people wig out over little league games.
I dont know how the matchmaking works, but I'm pretty sure once you get some gear and wins under your belt, your gonna be facing alot of people with the same mentality and outlook as you have about pvp, and take it serious tdm or not.
I've played a ton of games with no ranking feature. A ton. There are some servers with a bunch of noobs, and some who take every single pug game as a life or death situation. I played in those servers. We will play with those people at the top of matchmaking. It'll be ok.
Not to mention I bet they will eventually flesh the pvp out. I really dont care what Jay Wilson has to say, if it will keep more people playing, it will be done. Its about that simple. Look at the real money ah, who would have ever guessed in a million years that would happen. If pvp ladders etc will keep people coming back or bring people back or keep people using that money ah, itll be done in the future.
Just stop bsing us that you dont want it to be super competitive or "esport" as alot calls it. Your trying to pee down our backs and tell us its raining, and I dont buy it.
Most of your post made sense EXCEPT this end part. I personally, genuinely, 110% do not give two-hoots about PvP. I never pvped in D2 and I rarely PvPed in WoW. I am a PvE / PvM player in MMOs / Arpgs. So there are some of us (probably a lot of us; but I am speaking only for me here) who genuinely wouldn't care if Blizz said PvP is out fully.
As for the rest of your post; yes those that want it will find a way to make it work and good on them! And yes; people will cry 2 weeks in if it is supported but not balanced; but it will probably be more balanced much later in D3's life cycle so all is not lost for those that do want PvP.
See, personally I only care about pvp. I know it may not sound like it in my post, but its what my endgame is gonna consist of, besides making a few extra bucks. My post wasnt directed at you guys who DONT pvp, it was directed at people like diisfunk who mentioned having a Diablo game pvp where items didnt scale with the spells as much, which well, isnt diablo is it?
Diablo pvp is gonna be item based, unfair, and unbalanced. Its gonna be unbalanced for probably even longer stretches than wow pvp. And similar to a woman, once you start being romantic and buying her flowers and stuff, you can never go back.
Once you start catering to the pvp guys, you can never go back. So I guess they decided not to do it yet.
Personally I hope, that at some point they put all that stuff in for us. But I also realize its really not even gonna be that big a deal for a good while. You need gear, and lots of it to be good at pvp. You probably need some sort of pvp balance patch at some point because someone is gonna be horrendously overpowered. They always are.
And until we see how the matchmaking service works out, Heck it may be awesome and i face the same 10 teams everyday.
Oh okay, your post seemed to claim that everyone had interest in PvP, which isn't the case of course.
Yes I am not directly against PvP. I just personally have no interest in it. Provided the PvE / PvM game remains a focus (note I said a focus, not the only focus) then if blizzard decides to throw you guys a few bones and PvP upgrades etc then I am genuinely happy for you.
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I will however be irritated, if it feels like it comes at the cost of the main experience I am interested in aka PvE.
Its cool. I was just finding it funny half these guys are basically decribing wow arena in what they want out of diablo pvp.
And then realizing half the stuff we/they want, while doesnt sound like much, is easier said then done considering they havent even got the pve portion nailed down yet apparently.
Just stop bsing us that you dont want it to be super competitive or "esport" as alot calls it. Your trying to pee down our backs and tell us its raining, and I dont buy it.
Most of your post made sense EXCEPT this end part. I personally, genuinely, 110% do not give two-hoots about PvP. I never pvped in D2 and I rarely PvPed in WoW. I am a PvE / PvM player in MMOs / Arpgs. So there are some of us (probably a lot of us; but I am speaking only for me here) who genuinely wouldn't care if Blizz said PvP is out fully.
As for the rest of your post; yes those that want it will find a way to make it work and good on them! And yes; people will cry 2 weeks in if it is supported but not balanced; but it will probably be more balanced much later in D3's life cycle so all is not lost for those that do want PvP.
See, personally I only care about pvp. I know it may not sound like it in my post, but its what my endgame is gonna consist of, besides making a few extra bucks. My post wasnt directed at you guys who DONT pvp, it was directed at people like diisfunk who mentioned having a Diablo game pvp where items didnt scale with the spells as much, which well, isnt diablo is it?
Diablo pvp is gonna be item based, unfair, and unbalanced. Its gonna be unbalanced for probably even longer stretches than wow pvp. And similar to a woman, once you start being romantic and buying her flowers and stuff, you can never go back.
Once you start catering to the pvp guys, you can never go back. So I guess they decided not to do it yet.
Personally I hope, that at some point they put all that stuff in for us. But I also realize its really not even gonna be that big a deal for a good while. You need gear, and lots of it to be good at pvp. You probably need some sort of pvp balance patch at some point because someone is gonna be horrendously overpowered. They always are.
And until we see how the matchmaking service works out, Heck it may be awesome and i face the same 10 teams everyday.
Oh cmon guys stop lying. You DO want it to be an esport. Stop saying, "nu unnnnha". The more you talk about it, the more it shows. Some guy wanting the scaling of skills dropped for pvp so gear doesnt make as big a difference? Really? In a diablo game? Diablo is 90% gear, 10% skill. Why not just go play WoW?
Stop lying. Its ok. I plan on pvp being my endgame of choice outside of making some pocket money selling items. I would like ladders, win/loss, and all sorts of things. But it isnt happening right now. And who knows? pvp could be fun. We havent played it yet, and by today's standards diablo 2 pvp isnt all that and a bag of chips. Oh I dodged whirlwind you dead. Oh I didnt dodge it I'm dead. But we made it work and had a blast.
I forsee the same thing in d3. We will make it work. Your gonna be matched up with similar people hopefully. If half of you are as good as you think you are wanting super uber competitive pvp, it wont be long before your simply facing the same people over and over right? The cream of the crop so to speak. And you can make TDM work, with quality players.
I can see why blizzard has steered clear of balancing for pvp for right now. Just look at wow. Personally I love arenas. But that game is one gigantic cryfest over a very small population(pvp). That is exactly what would happen here too. It would start out ok, everyone goin, "oh yea I know its not balanced I dont care!" to 2 weeks later, "blizzard this is BS I demand nerfs now OMGGGG!!" over and over and over all the time. People constantly complaining left and right.
So I can see how they dont feel like dealing with it right now, esp. since it seems they havent even got the freakin pve section finished.
Maybe the flesh it out later. I'm sure at some point, similar to wow, they will flesh it out to keep people playing. It's probably inevitable. Not to mention, who is really gonna care all that much about pvp until they get at least decently geared, which isnt gonna be easy or cheap for the first 6 months. Not to mention, its gonna be way out of whack balance wise, and again this isnt wow. Dont expect some balance patch just because say barbs are ripping it up.
I would like at least a vs feature so you could fight a specific team. This would probably be a nice compromise so that most of you could set your own tournies up.
Just stop bsing us that you dont want it to be super competitive or "esport" as alot calls it. Your trying to pee down our backs and tell us its raining, and I dont buy it.
Fine, my wording was bad. People buying items for RM was a smaller community than PvP. Thats the only point I'm trying to get across.
Not to beat a dead horse, but even if that WAS true for d2 (and i by no means think it is, if massive numbers of people WEREN'T buying items, there wouldn't be as many bots as there were/are in d2) its certainly not true now. the number of gamers with disposable income has only grown since d2, since a lot of the kids who played d2 now have jobs and/or families. with jobs and families comes a lack of time, which makes spending money on getting things quicker look appealing.
and if you don't have a job, you can use d3 to make income now. I have a job, and i STILL plan to try and maximize my $/hour spent playing d3 just so that i can make as much money as possible while enjoying what i'm doing. That would be a fantastic change of pace from my real job, and hell it might take care of one of any of my given bills enjoyable to pay (how @$##ed up is that?!?!).
Honestly dude You and me both. If I can manage to make 60 bucks to pay for d3, and another 65 a month to pay for my internet service enjoying the hell out of a game I was gonna play anyways, I cant wait.
I mentioned that earlier. Everyone who buys d3 now has the chance to actually play it for Free, even the net.
Maybe its because I'm an older gamer now. Real life isnt peaches and gum drops. I'm given an opportunity to maximize my enjoyment while taking care of life's problems(some bills here and there), Im for sure gonna take that opportunity.
Its funny how narrowminded people are about the opportunity they are being given by blizzard. I learned a long time ago never pass up an opportunity. I passed many an opportunity up back in my day being self righteous and narrow-minded.
I thought the discussion here was about Blizzards attitude toward implanting a more serious non casual pvp system? you quoted me way back about my post which was about blizzards involvement and support for pvp which was in diablo 2 casual.
I never said that players/fans didn't take it serious, but the point is that blizzard doesn't want people to be measured by a rank/ladder in pvp, and that is a good thing in my opinion since the pvp side is aimed at more casual players.
My point was why is Blizzard spending resources on something like a RM AH which was a very niche community while outwardly expressing that they want to make sure D3 PvP is casual, even though competitive PvP in D2 was a much bigger niche.
lol niche community? Whatever man. Its like steriods in sports. People dont want to admit a real problem until it slaps them in the face. Using real money was rampant all through diablo. When I quit in 2004, my buddy had some crummy angelfire site or something making over 1k a week selling d2 items. This was just some 1 person adventure in the sea of thousands of sellers.
Maybe you personally didnt use real money, but I can almost bet alot of the complainers around here at one point or another used real money for something, they just wont ever admit it. Get over it, it was huge. Why else is/was there 8 million dupes and bots spamming sites? It wasnt because people werent spending money. It was because people were spending money, and alot of people doing it, which is why so many different stores cropped up.
Its here, its not a big deal, and it helps the majority of the playerbase out. Almost every single person that plays diablo 3 can now actually play the game for FREE. Yes, free. All that stuff you are finding is/was virtually worthless until now. Its not real. But you can now sell something that isnt real, get full price on it, and actually pay for 60 dollar diablo 3. You can even use items to pay for the internet connection your playing on. Who cant make 70 bucks in a month?
I share your concerns. I'm overall worried about the whole endgame scenario now. I dont think they realize how many people actually pvp'd in diablo 2. I'm worried endgame consists of magic finding and selling items on ah. That will only hold some of us for awhile.
Personally I seek a challenge when I play a video game. I went through progressions in d2 in my day, and I'll do the same here. I lvled up softcore and geared him until It just wasnt that much fun magic finding for whole days to further 1 shot mobs. So I turned to hardcore. That was fun for awhile too until I figured it out and did the same. Then I turn to lvling up the worst possible spec I can in hardcore. That gets old too.
Then you turn to pvp, which is always different. This is where the majority of my gameplay revolved. Its why I rerolled toon after toon for 1 vitality point, and why I continued to farm and lvl up for those next 5 points.
Ill say the pvp sounds a bit better then what we had in d2, but that is no excuse. None. This is almost 12 years later. Simply giving us a place to pvp besides act 1 is not exactly leaps and bounds in the right direction for a viable endgame. We, as gamers, hunt a challenge. Moving up a ladder no matter how imbalanced, is progression.
To me simply gearing up to kill some easy to kill pve monsters 1 second faster isnt progression. It would be different if the game was hard. But diablo is a mass monster murder game where we will be farming the hardest bosses in the game ad nauseum over and over and over. So there is no real challenge pve wise outside of hardcore.
I do think tdm works pretty well though. I just wish it was semi ranked or something or at least had a win/loss ratio. Last man standing in instagib doesnt sound too appealing to me. tdm sounds more like a controlled act 1. I just want more fleshing out of the stats, etc.
People tend to get a rush when they completely screw someone of what they worked for. I have a friend that ask "can you kill someone and take their stuff", every time we ask him to try a game. If the game doesn't have it, he won't play it.
But anyway, I believe they will have different game modes to try and keep things from getting repetitive.
Actually it was more the rush of all or nothing. There were many times where you just died to another pker. It was in effect, an all-in gamble. There were times you killed someone who didnt want killed, but eh it happens. I got pk'd and was like, I wanna try that. I guess others would be pissed.
I do hope they at least have a duel section so you can duel someone in the normal game without having to do a tdm.
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I got a g700 mouse too.
Personally I wish I didnt drop so much on a keyboard, or get one of those thats contoured for ergonomics. None of the extra stuff really matters when you boil it down.
I do like my mice having extra buttons to program though.
Also, on the computer upgrade. Me personally, I wouldnt upgrade anything until you see how diablo 3 actually runs on your comp, or at least until a release date is set.
No sense shortchanging yourself or spending extra money doing it now for the game not to come out till after Xmas. If it took that long, can easily build a better comp for same price or same one for less.
I plan on getting a new vid card to play Battlefield 3 because mine is like a 4850. If it runs ok on it though, hell i might keep it too until d3 comes out and see how it runs then.
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I have much better luck, and much better grades when I play shooters or rts. But its hard to not want what the heart wants u know?
Its funny I logged about 200 hours in tf2 over a few years now. And I felt like I played the hell out of it. I still play it from time to time.
I bought Torchlight to screw around, and I logged 50 hours in like 1 or 2 weeks.
So I'd be careful when d3 comes out and try to limit yourself. Or just find a woman. Getting laid usually can help you curb a gaming addiction pretty fast.
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I didnt mean to say they dont require skill. Its just the level of skill people think they require is a little out of whack. I personally base what takes the most skill on what is hardest to be good at.
Like I feel I have a much better chance of being a Cup Stacking Champion then I ever do of becoming a Professional Football player.
I'm sure most of us have a much better chance at being very good at Dota and d3 pvp then we ever do at other games.
I get what your saying between a soccer player and football player. But these are professional sports who stood the test of time, and are played professionally. Similar to FPS and RTS genres. They are just accepted as the medium. Whereas stuff like wow and d3 isnt.
They are also far more balanced in terms of no team has an advantage over the other except for quality of players. One doesnt play with say 11 men on the field compared to ten. Or one baseball team gets to use an aluminum bat and the other a wooden one.
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I dont even have a diablo cd anymore. But if you wanna keep drinking your own koolaid go ahead I dont really care. Its a gear based game. Always has been, always will. Hey, maybe thats why they are adding a rmah because you know people play diablo for gear. Maybe thats why there was 8 million diablo shops and dupes because hey people want gear to go destroy other gearless ppl. Dodging one measly attack just to one shot someone else is not skillbased pvp. I mean they dont play instagib in shooters professionally do they?
Diablo pvp is pretty much equal to dota/hon/LoL. I like it, but if i was gonna brag about my ability in a game, it would be in a shooter or rts, both with take more skill then any other genre in player vs. player.
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I'm gonna flat out pretend this post wasnt meant to actually be serious. Its funny you say gear meant nothing in Diablo, when Diablo is ALL gear. Hell most all rpg pvp games is very very very heavy in the gear to skill ratio.
This is why games like SC2, quake, and such are actually played as esports, whereas not even wow is played as one anymore.
I played my fair share of Diablo. From Release till wow Release. I dont consider using a few hotkeys and dodging some attack the pinnacle of my competitive gaming history. Esp. since the majority of the battles were simply won by showing up in the best gear available at the time.
It was a blast yes. It was the first rpg pvp I had ever done. I plan on pvp being my endgame focus for D3. But I'm not gonna be delusional and biased and sit here and say in good faith diablo 2 pvp was the most skillful things I've had the priviledge of playing. It was some of the most fun pvp I've ever done, but the most fun does not equal the most skillful.
Most people think the things they are good at are the most skillful. Or the things they play. Case in point I went gambling this weekend. My stepdad ONLY plays 3 card poker because he thinks its more skillful then texas holdem. Simply because he actually wins on a 3 card poker table. When its not, its just more fun because hes good at it.
Just enjoy the pvp for what it is when it comes out. If you want to do something "skillful" there are a bunch other games where you will garner far more notariety being good at then diablo.
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Its funny the games that are the easiest to be good at, have the most elitists. Look at Dota, LoL, HoN, WoW. Games you can blame others for your failures.
Pvp will be fine. I dont understand what in the world makes you guys think tdm mode somehow invalidates all strategy, and "skill". I played tdm in a lot of shooters, in tournaments too. No one there took it lightly.
This zerg fest your talking about isnt gonna happen but at the lowest possible level of pvp. Near the top of the matchmaking, I'm pretty sure they will be some very tight, fun games. You SHOULD be facing like-minded individuals and teams.
Because you know, if your competitive, you should have a team so this zergfest your talking about should have some strategy.
I dont see what was so skillful about d2 pvp. Oh look I'm loaded in gear I win. Oh damn I dodged your attack you lost. It was honestly like a precursor to DOTA. Limited skills, mostly clicking, reaction time, gear, and juking. Hell, WoW pvp is more involved.(Flame me but its true). If you guys cared that much about being the greatest pvper ever, you would do it where the skill set needs to be higher.
Anyways I'm looking forward to pvp. I think its gonna be a blast. Looks more involved then d2 and TDM actually allows comebacks. More often then not in a game like this(Take wow for example) once one person is down your in bad shape. You get to regroup and readjust this way.
And for the casual thing. Who cares? Its an easy game, all diablo games were easy. I mean you move your freaking guy by clicking the mouse for god's sake. So a 6 year old can play it. News for you, I saw a 3 year old solve a rubicks cube in 11 minutes on youtube, and an 8 year old solve it in 33 seconds. Now, who cares how old someone is?
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I dont think your giving enough gamers credit. People made d2 competitive with honestly nearly the same type of pvp. People take stuff seriously. The only games your gonna have people running in with no strategy is in the very beginning of matchmaking.
Once you get out of the gallows and up where people start to take it more serious, they wont be a bunch of people just running in doing whatever. People dont like to lose. This is a fact. I mean people wig out over little league games.
I dont know how the matchmaking works, but I'm pretty sure once you get some gear and wins under your belt, your gonna be facing alot of people with the same mentality and outlook as you have about pvp, and take it serious tdm or not.
I've played a ton of games with no ranking feature. A ton. There are some servers with a bunch of noobs, and some who take every single pug game as a life or death situation. I played in those servers. We will play with those people at the top of matchmaking. It'll be ok.
Not to mention I bet they will eventually flesh the pvp out. I really dont care what Jay Wilson has to say, if it will keep more people playing, it will be done. Its about that simple. Look at the real money ah, who would have ever guessed in a million years that would happen. If pvp ladders etc will keep people coming back or bring people back or keep people using that money ah, itll be done in the future.
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Its cool. I was just finding it funny half these guys are basically decribing wow arena in what they want out of diablo pvp.
And then realizing half the stuff we/they want, while doesnt sound like much, is easier said then done considering they havent even got the pve portion nailed down yet apparently.
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See, personally I only care about pvp. I know it may not sound like it in my post, but its what my endgame is gonna consist of, besides making a few extra bucks. My post wasnt directed at you guys who DONT pvp, it was directed at people like diisfunk who mentioned having a Diablo game pvp where items didnt scale with the spells as much, which well, isnt diablo is it?
Diablo pvp is gonna be item based, unfair, and unbalanced. Its gonna be unbalanced for probably even longer stretches than wow pvp. And similar to a woman, once you start being romantic and buying her flowers and stuff, you can never go back.
Once you start catering to the pvp guys, you can never go back. So I guess they decided not to do it yet.
Personally I hope, that at some point they put all that stuff in for us. But I also realize its really not even gonna be that big a deal for a good while. You need gear, and lots of it to be good at pvp. You probably need some sort of pvp balance patch at some point because someone is gonna be horrendously overpowered. They always are.
And until we see how the matchmaking service works out, Heck it may be awesome and i face the same 10 teams everyday.
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Stop lying. Its ok. I plan on pvp being my endgame of choice outside of making some pocket money selling items. I would like ladders, win/loss, and all sorts of things. But it isnt happening right now. And who knows? pvp could be fun. We havent played it yet, and by today's standards diablo 2 pvp isnt all that and a bag of chips. Oh I dodged whirlwind you dead. Oh I didnt dodge it I'm dead. But we made it work and had a blast.
I forsee the same thing in d3. We will make it work. Your gonna be matched up with similar people hopefully. If half of you are as good as you think you are wanting super uber competitive pvp, it wont be long before your simply facing the same people over and over right? The cream of the crop so to speak. And you can make TDM work, with quality players.
I can see why blizzard has steered clear of balancing for pvp for right now. Just look at wow. Personally I love arenas. But that game is one gigantic cryfest over a very small population(pvp). That is exactly what would happen here too. It would start out ok, everyone goin, "oh yea I know its not balanced I dont care!" to 2 weeks later, "blizzard this is BS I demand nerfs now OMGGGG!!" over and over and over all the time. People constantly complaining left and right.
So I can see how they dont feel like dealing with it right now, esp. since it seems they havent even got the freakin pve section finished.
Maybe the flesh it out later. I'm sure at some point, similar to wow, they will flesh it out to keep people playing. It's probably inevitable. Not to mention, who is really gonna care all that much about pvp until they get at least decently geared, which isnt gonna be easy or cheap for the first 6 months. Not to mention, its gonna be way out of whack balance wise, and again this isnt wow. Dont expect some balance patch just because say barbs are ripping it up.
I would like at least a vs feature so you could fight a specific team. This would probably be a nice compromise so that most of you could set your own tournies up.
Just stop bsing us that you dont want it to be super competitive or "esport" as alot calls it. Your trying to pee down our backs and tell us its raining, and I dont buy it.
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Honestly dude You and me both. If I can manage to make 60 bucks to pay for d3, and another 65 a month to pay for my internet service enjoying the hell out of a game I was gonna play anyways, I cant wait.
I mentioned that earlier. Everyone who buys d3 now has the chance to actually play it for Free, even the net.
Maybe its because I'm an older gamer now. Real life isnt peaches and gum drops. I'm given an opportunity to maximize my enjoyment while taking care of life's problems(some bills here and there), Im for sure gonna take that opportunity.
Its funny how narrowminded people are about the opportunity they are being given by blizzard. I learned a long time ago never pass up an opportunity. I passed many an opportunity up back in my day being self righteous and narrow-minded.
Not anymore.
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lol niche community? Whatever man. Its like steriods in sports. People dont want to admit a real problem until it slaps them in the face. Using real money was rampant all through diablo. When I quit in 2004, my buddy had some crummy angelfire site or something making over 1k a week selling d2 items. This was just some 1 person adventure in the sea of thousands of sellers.
Maybe you personally didnt use real money, but I can almost bet alot of the complainers around here at one point or another used real money for something, they just wont ever admit it. Get over it, it was huge. Why else is/was there 8 million dupes and bots spamming sites? It wasnt because people werent spending money. It was because people were spending money, and alot of people doing it, which is why so many different stores cropped up.
Its here, its not a big deal, and it helps the majority of the playerbase out. Almost every single person that plays diablo 3 can now actually play the game for FREE. Yes, free. All that stuff you are finding is/was virtually worthless until now. Its not real. But you can now sell something that isnt real, get full price on it, and actually pay for 60 dollar diablo 3. You can even use items to pay for the internet connection your playing on. Who cant make 70 bucks in a month?
I dont see the problem honestly.
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Personally I seek a challenge when I play a video game. I went through progressions in d2 in my day, and I'll do the same here. I lvled up softcore and geared him until It just wasnt that much fun magic finding for whole days to further 1 shot mobs. So I turned to hardcore. That was fun for awhile too until I figured it out and did the same. Then I turn to lvling up the worst possible spec I can in hardcore. That gets old too.
Then you turn to pvp, which is always different. This is where the majority of my gameplay revolved. Its why I rerolled toon after toon for 1 vitality point, and why I continued to farm and lvl up for those next 5 points.
Ill say the pvp sounds a bit better then what we had in d2, but that is no excuse. None. This is almost 12 years later. Simply giving us a place to pvp besides act 1 is not exactly leaps and bounds in the right direction for a viable endgame. We, as gamers, hunt a challenge. Moving up a ladder no matter how imbalanced, is progression.
To me simply gearing up to kill some easy to kill pve monsters 1 second faster isnt progression. It would be different if the game was hard. But diablo is a mass monster murder game where we will be farming the hardest bosses in the game ad nauseum over and over and over. So there is no real challenge pve wise outside of hardcore.
I do think tdm works pretty well though. I just wish it was semi ranked or something or at least had a win/loss ratio. Last man standing in instagib doesnt sound too appealing to me. tdm sounds more like a controlled act 1. I just want more fleshing out of the stats, etc.
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Actually it was more the rush of all or nothing. There were many times where you just died to another pker. It was in effect, an all-in gamble. There were times you killed someone who didnt want killed, but eh it happens. I got pk'd and was like, I wanna try that. I guess others would be pissed.
I do hope they at least have a duel section so you can duel someone in the normal game without having to do a tdm.