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ok look, it always make me itch a little bit those pvp post. I love pvp and will participate in pvp and will gladly defend it.

You consider it a battle to be heard for a better pvp and they did not care about pvp etc. Of course they didnt, they said it at the start. They openly said, we dont care about pvp and we wont focus on it, it wont be balanced.

Everyone seem to expect that pvp will be nicely done and are mad because it aint.

I will take it as it come, point

edit : i dont want a pvp to be a focus, ill find a foutain of youth and keep jay wilson alive if i have too. Diablo is a PVE game, if more then 95% of the content of the game is not pve, ill be pissed. I dont play diablo to go pvp ,i play diablo to get a nice story, epic battle, dungeon crawling , min/max my char. Duel was really a concern when i got bored of all that after 2years+

i already stated my point in another post but since there is alot of them ill reply here too

i often use my portable in spot that there is not internet. Camping, in hospital, in my pause from work, at my aunt house etc. All these place dont have an internet access point. We wont go on the subject "but when you go do camping , do camping instead of gaming!" i know about camping , i go there for a month long, there is rainy day/night or night that poeple dont regroup and go to bed early. So for me an offline mode is a must. I dont care playing with others, i play for myself.I do like my friends to play with me , its great and have great memories of D2 with them but the arguments against an offline mode is really weak. LAN would be a really nice addition too. They removed it from starcraft and it really sucked. I played so long SC1 but SC2 died really quick.

About the mods, i never used them in D1 or D2 so i cant say. The only thing i can say is, i was able to live, play , mule, trade without them.

AH gold/cash. I wont use them. Like i said in other post, i feel like it will break any accomplishement. Ill give an exemple. A barbarian come in front of me with an immortal king set (exemple). "look at my armor! its godly". Should i be impressed? no! he bought it? no he didnt? prove it! The only thing that will do is make more player lose countless hours trying to buy cheap stuff and resell it to try make money and reduce the number of (lets call them like that atm) baal run you need to do to get youre gear. How was i excited when my last piece of trang-oul dropped for me, it was an accomplishement and when i was joining other game, people were always amazed at my form. There wont be people amazed by youre gears in diablo 3, because you buy them. Im really against the real cash AH, even understanding the pro and con and im against the regular gold one too but hey , some people like it , its my opinion.

Anyway, diablo 3 will be a nice game, ill have to play it at home being restricted to online only , make a private game with a password and play without using the AH to keep being proud of what i do. It seem even hardcore character will be a bitter victory at 60. "Oh i got this toon that is HC" reply "ah , it was easy ,you bought some good gear at higher level to help you in hell, made it more easy".

People will say i exagerate right now, when you will do that in game and youll get someone bitter who tell you this, youll remember this comment

you play what make you feel happy in the end. We all got different taste and things we like and dont.

like "how could have made 4 playthrough of postal 2 in a single week without losing a bit of sanity from it"

well at first i was all against because i didnt understand exactly what they wanted to do so of course i wasnt for downgrading myself on a bad gamble luck.

Now that i understand it fully, i think its a really awesome idea. I didnt like the idea of finding tons of rune but they were doing nothing really. What i mean is , you play in the later act in hell and you drop a crimson rune rank 6 , you already got a rune rank 6 in meteor for exemple but in no other spells the crimson wasnt what you wanted like modification. So in youre bank was 201 rank 1 crimson rune , 104 rank 2 , 90 rank 3 etc. Because once you have one in the spell you want, there is no insentive to change.

With the system they are proposing, it make me wanna do diablo run to drop a better rune for my spells!

i love the idea of the witch doctor but im not a big fan of the twitching either nor of playing a female character, so ill twitch my way to diablo

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No i'm not talking about griefing but the new PvP they have currently is just lame... no ladder, no rank, no sense of real achievements? they're neglecting PvP i understand it's a PvE game but after awhile your gonna urn to PvP and one would think the would of done a better better job than what it is currently.. it's like they're making the game retard proof and with that no wonder they would implement RMAH.... not everyone bought items with $$ in D2 but now they're making that the primary economy for everyone, and if you think people would rather put items for gold instead of $$ than your just stupid. not sure why the hell you typed out such a long respond to my previous post cause honestly my points are valid, RMAH = Blizz being hungry, and lack of PvP? well they have RMAH why wouldn't it be mainly focused on PvE since they want you farming/selling as many items as you can so they can earn a couple bucks.

im sorry if my post was long, i tend to want to develop more since usually people dont understand what i mean

RMAH = i am against but i can understand their point of view. First people were already doing it but more often then other were getting robbed. Second that will mostly kill the asian gold sellers. Since everyone will be able to sell their gold and farm, let's take me for exemple. I did alot of run in my weekend because i wanted to and made lot of money. Someone sell 15k for lets say 5$. I got there and sell 15k for 4$. Then he must lower is price or wait till i sell before he sell his gold. So then he drop to 3,99$. Then i drop to 3,50$etc. Then, you look at this... is it worth my time to do a tons of boss run to get 3,50$ for my time? Oh! i dropped arcane valor in my run, lets see how much i can have for it ... hmm there is already 6 of em... So that make the price drop and when the price are low, its really not interesting for Asian gold farmer. Because they bot and need to buy more account , some get banned etc. So if what they sell are really cheap then they must work more. It aint profitable. Third it give you a chance to make money or e-money while doing it. So lets say you find a cool armor and sell it , youre e-wallet is at 40$. You can go at blizzard.com and buy a Tyrael hoodie for yourself. Its a nice gift for only playing diablo 3. But you know, im still against ,that will change the way players see the game i guess. Way more greediness, the nice equipement you drop youll be more inclined to sell it then to upgrade yourself since youre already able to complete hell without dying, why min/max you when you can make 20$ out of the piece you just dropped?

I really dont like real money in diablo 3...

and for the lack of pvp, like i mostly explained why. Im a huge pvp-er too and i understand youre concern but i understand that when D3 got public, in the first Q&A, they said "Its not a pvp game, we dont care about it and we wont balance for it". So with that in mind, if you feel down for them not "taking care of pvp", they said it from the start. Its like a small child that want to see the christmas father and he tell her mother in june, she say "no there wont be christmas father this year im sorry" Then around december, the child is still hoping for christmas father but her mom keep telling him he wont be there, he knew it from the start but dont want to open his eyes. Its like that for most of the pvp hungry players in d3 , they dont seem to get that they dont want to get involved in pvp, they said it at the start and people are still at their throat for not putting a better pvp. I would love to get a special place to go pvp, i love the last man standing and i would love to have the deathmatch option, you know, doing both. For me ladder are not that important though. But yeah, i know i repeat myself but alot dont seem to want to understand that its pve game with a little side bonus of pvp, like enabling to be attacked in D2. D2 didnt have pvp at all , no focus, no ladder, no special game for it, only social code of conduct for pvp "supposedly".

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They better have some amazing End game that keeps people going on because with the lack of PvP, I don't see the hardcore fans or any fan playing longer than 2-3 months, which must be what Blizzard wants with the new features they're implementing.

lack of pvp? there was pvp in d2? there was random duel out of the rogue camp yeah. D2 was not made to be pvp at first, not even balanced for it. Its only people with urge to try to beat other that started the diablo supposed pvp. Tricking people into clicking the sword ( did that alot hehe) etc. Lot of griefing. What we get in D3 at the moment is far superior to D2 and D1 in term of pvp, you should be happy about it while they said that pvp is NOT their focus, we still get an arena and rewards (work in progress but talked about vanity items). D2 got nothing to it when you look how D3 is deep. D2 end game? there is something to do? duel random player? find SOJ? do bosses run over and over to get the best gear? Killing the ubers? Thats mostly what D2 had to himself. When you look at D3 , we dont have the end game yet and people are already crying that they dont give longer then 1 month , 2 month etc. the game is not even in public beta. We know we got arena, Jay talked about perhaps a small place where you will be able to duel (just something he is thinking about) we got rune to strive for , equipement , crafting, making real money etc. D2 had a crappy skill system, i remember having to wait till ACT4 to spend point on my druid , auto attacking all the way around to start putting point in my wind spells , that was really bad. What does that system offered? mashing a single spell at the end because you took all the synergy skill to make THAT ONE PARTICULAR SPELL overpowered thus clearing the game while pressing youre right mouse button (or left for some paladins).

to get back on the subject, of course there is change and of course we are reluctant to them. For me, the rune system is the best thing ever, i wanna see every spells with the 5 runes in it, see the effect and making a perfect build. So when they annonce they will change the rune system, i got all tense and reluctant, negative energy. But they explain why in detail and it make so much sense and i cannot do nothing but to agree with them.

The change to skill system.
D2 = put all the point you can in certain attack to get the synergy out of it so you can do a single powerful attack. always increasing its damage with each point . 1 point = 10-20 dmg 2 point = 20-30 dmg etc.
D3 first = put all the point you get in different ability, making them stronger but other a bit less. So there goes the wizard, dropping everything in a single but uber meteor then wait for the cooldown to finish, launching weak magic missile since he doesnt have point in it anymore
D3 revamp = no need for point now , every skills scale up to different thing. Now the wizard do a powerful meteor and do decent damage with the magic missile while waiting for the cooldown to do meteor.

What did we lost? nothing except to pointlesly spend point in abilities.
what did we win? overall more damage/buff to abilities, the fact to use most of youre attack and feeling balanced.

Same goes with rune system if they change it.
D3 first = yay another blue rune... trash it... yay another red.. way , how many do i have in my box? 45? pfff...lame, they should lower the drop rate, im tired of picking them up to trash them in my cauldron.
D3 perhaps revamp = yay another rune... hmmm ... my magic missile rune is kinda outdated ... should i try it in this spell or in meteor...hmm... oh meteor! Arg... its a crappy rune, well .. sell it. Yay another rune! hmm let see, meteor again... wow! holy sheet! that thing is powerful!

this is some exemples for the laugh but still not far from the truth. We are reluctant but from what i have seen, most of the changes are for the good. The only thing im not really sure about but i can understand the purpose is the real money trade auction house.... Im not sure to like it. Well i never liked auction house at first haha. its an hassle (personnal opinion here)but now with real money too? (i know there is a gold one) it solve their third party gold seller but at what cost? will we see more greediness? more people playing ALOT diablo 3 and try to win money like poker online? i dont know, i cannot see the extend but im reluctant.

So if you loved D2 , D3 is better in every point. If people were able and willing to kill that boss a thousand time, they still can in D3 with more flavor. You can now pvp with people who will fight back, because those going in arena will be willing and will put a fight, good or bad. Perhaps its that point of the pvp you dont like? no griefing?

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Bulletstorm is freaking awesome, but also freaking short. It makes Link a sad hero of time.

Torchlight is pretty good.

Magicka was fun for a little while, but it got old fast. *Shrug*

If you got an Xbox 360, you might wanna try a Kingdom for Keflings. It's a wierd game, so get the demo before you get the full game. (It's an arcade game, fyi.)

My personal favorite RTS of all time is . Every once in a while I will reinstall it and play a couple matches. No RTS has ever come close to the sheer fun of TA. And the graphics of modern day games only recently reached TA's. (And TA came out in the 90's.)

Also, I heard Crysis was pretty good.

And if anybody else already made these suggestions, ignore them and listen to me.

torchlight : for a reason i dont know, i cant get into this diablo copy. i think perhaps its because of the guns or the graphic? i know alot of people loved it, its a nice suggestion too.

bulletstorm : its not bad i think but it doesnt last long like you say and it get repetitive really quick, its a good rent at the videostore though. doing brutal combo and push someone in the spike is really satisfying.

magicka : funny as hell, if you got a buddy, play that if you can. There is alot of reference to different game, fun mechanic but yeah , it can get old fast, loved it.

Total Anihiliation : oh come one man , its old like warcraft 2 . But yeah it was pretty good, not sure its findable again haha.

crysis 1 : really great, the story gave me chill and the graphic was breathtaking too. A good blast. But it is doable in a night. Multiplayer is meh.
crysis 2: more hyped then what it is mostly. Graphic with DX11 are breathtaking again but yeah, one play through is more then enough and multiplayer aint really worth it imo.

edit: for torchlight i think its a mixed feeling on everything. The character, i found them unnapealing in their look. I was stuck with a companion and i hate that. Magic was not bad. There was old blunderbuss gun, i hate those. The graphic were not to my liking, remembering me a little of WOW but just a tad , a small tad less cartoony. I didnt like the design of the armor i found or the weapons. Its confusing too when you get a scroll to port you in a kind of random dungeons? you kinda lose track of what you gotta do with the quests if you dont read them carefully. Lot of shop that dont get that much info on. So i perhaps got a bad start on it, almost no explanation, i have it on my steam list with 8hours of play but never continued, when i cant find my character interesting, i lose the will to play. It is only my opinion though, i know the game got alot of praise so it might be worthwhile to someone to check it out. Same goes for Torchlight 2 i guess, i watched every trailers and interview, even the one showing the berz and alot of content and still cannot get to like it, i think its the graphic again and the characters, i just cant like it...

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Wow, thanks so much man. I have played some of your suggestions but not at least half of them. Definitely curious about Stalker, somewhat about Borderlands, and perhaps Command and Conquer.

if you want instant fun and perhaps youre friends joining you, borderland is the way to go.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. got some expansions to it too but shadow of chernobyl is the first box that got out, easily findable on steam, not anymore in shops. Like i said, the graphic are outdated. The story take place some years after the explosion of chernobyl and there is alot of strange phenomena occuring around. You scavenge the land, meeting enemies , neutral people or wild life etc. You got a stamina bar for running and it deplete faster the more you carry. You will need to scavenge alot and make good care to not get too much intoxicated with radiation. You need to make sure to keep youre gear in good condition too, its a survival game while you do the plot and sidequets. It is dark and brooding, filled with misery and survival of the fittest. I really loved that game but not alot played it. There can be plenty of action when you know where to look at but usually its action/scavenging/exploring/doing missions . It can be really fun but do keep in mind that its a FPS/RPG.

EDIT: forgot about one game

Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II = This game is an RTS but with a twist. It is a kind of DOTA if you like but against the computer? Lemme explain. You got the same angle as a RTS. You get to choose the hero with whom you wanna do his story, you can gather gear from him, level him up etc. So you go around the map looking like an RTS (somewhat closer to youre character though) and you go around the level with him, each character have unique skills and abilities and you take horde of enemies with them. The best description would be to watch a video of gameplay. No rush, a nice campaign, i liked it!

-if youve never done mass effect and like a little bit rpg, both 1 and 2 are 10/10 for me. When youve finished the first one, you wanna jump on the second and when you finish the second you wonder how come you played the one, this is such a great game, it is one ill remember all my life. 3rd person RPG/action

-far cry 2. Some people find its a pain for each mission to drive or get to the spot but i enjoyed it. Else then that you find diamond or get them from mission, you buy youre equipement that you want, load yourself up and go hunt the baddies. I like it because there is always stuff to kill, you know, respawn. So if you are patient and that driving often to get to one point to another (and can get attacked), discovering a really beautifully crafted world, it is really an enjoyable experience, online and offline. Its an open world so if you like sandbox youll be served.. if not then perhaps a linear shooter would be for you. 1st person FPS

-civ 5 is fun but can be boring if you dont know how to play it, took me a couple of game to figure out how to actually be good haha. Because youll do some mistake at first, slowing youre civilisation mostly or making a random game without disactivating some winning condition and the computer will reach them super fast, making the game end when you were not even near to finish it. RTS

-Fallout 3 is a shooter with rpg feature, lot of text and LOT OF PLAY TIME. really one of my favorite. If you gotta choose between new vegas and fallout 3, go with fallout 3 game of the year to get all the DLC at the same time. Its a really enjoyable experience. Its an open world so if you like sandbox youll be served.. if not then perhaps a linear shooter would be for you. 1st or 3rd person RPG

-Battlefield : Bad compagny 2 : Really a great fun there mostly in multiplayer. Single player was fun, i enjoyed it but where the fun is , its in multiplayer. Its not that big of a pressure to get awesome score like COD. You just take a jet and try to kill stuff or simply snipe them. You get rewarded for point by playing youre class and unlock tons of goodies and you customize youre equipement, played a damn long time. 1st person FPS

-Just cause 2 : For the laugh. Its like a grand theft auto style, with a bigger world and more thing you can do. You got a grappling hook at all time and a parachute. You can link stuff with youre grapple together... like a grandma and a car. I had tons of good laugh with the game. You got mission, you drive, you fly , you shoot, make carnage etc. Its again an open world... since im a fan of open world. On steam it often get a good deal on it. picked it up for like 5 to 7 bucks i think. 3rd person Action

-deadrising 2 : pretty much for the same, easy to play with a friend and easy to play alone, mass murder a ton of zombie in different way. Pretty fun and can last long. 3rd person Action

-darkspore : many rejected that game. Youll start and the first level youll be ... meh... not that good.. empty. But keep playing, its really a couple of hours in that it got very fun. At first all enemies die easily. After a while they get stronger, really stronger. You need to think who you bring , what status the enemies will be weak/strong against, customizing youre characters etc. I liked it alot in fact and even better with a buddy. Diablo style action

-darksider : really good looking, really fun to play , gave me some hours of real fun. Its a mix between devil may cry meet zelda. You get to do crazy combo with different item and solve some puzzle and fight bosses like zelda. 3rd person Action

-borderland : really fun, diablo kind of loot and equipping yourself, pretty big mostly with all the expensions, you can play again , 4 classes with different talent tree but its a shooter. It was really really fun. Get it with all the expansions and youll have a blast playing it. Hurray for the self ammo regenerating , over sized magazine bullet storm soldier that i made, was fun spraying ... puking even, bullets to the enemies haha. You accept quest really easily, do them , shoot alot, get loot, equip yourself and kill some moar.1st person FPS

-total war : shogun 2: i do have it, i played it a little while, my army became powerful and on one battle i died, leaving me to do alot of turns without doing anything. I didnt really understand how it worked and played only a night hehe. Graphic a really fun but its alot of strategy, less action. You move them, do ambush , purchase troup etc. But since i failed at understanding how to play correctly, its mixed feeling for me. RTS

-Titan quest gold : like a diablo but in greece. you encounter medusa, cyclops, satyr etc. The places you go are not randomely generated so once you know youre way around, its easy to do speed run. Its a tad old too now but nonetheless fun to play through a couple time and mess with different classes and powers. Diablo style

-command and conquer 3 : tiberium wars or command and conquer: red alert 3. Some will itch at the idea of red alert 3. With the patches the jap are a tad less annoying but still, if you never played the serie, there is still legit fun to have in there, its rts like starcraft but the computer is less likely to launch devastating assault on you, you got more time to prepare and act. RTS

-splinter cell serie: if you never did them, they are legit fun too. Using youre gadget , sneaking and killing. There is a nice story and some real fun moment. Of course you wont really empty clip. Playing it on the PC is funner because you can save often and reload if you totally messed up something. 3rd person Infiltration.

*SPECIAL* it is not for every gamers

STALKER : shadow of chernobyl : its an fps, mixed with rpg with it. You can pick gun, repair them, craft some stuff, loot youre munition type. Its a tad old too, the graphic aint that great. Its an immerssive experience to do, you close youre light, put youre headset and enter the world. I really liked the serie, its really atmospheric and sometime scary. Youre weapon can jam like in farcry 2, you can eat and drink etc. Its really a special game here, not sure you will like it. 1st person FPS/RPG

he said in an interview (dont remember the exact word) that for NOW they are concentrating polishing and finishing up the game, the PVE portion. PVP is a side game. So they disregard it for now, but perhaps later they will add more stuff, the game is not even out yet, not even in open beta and alot of players who never did play the game (including me) are on the forum defending/flamming/whinning/cheering for aspect of the game, some of it not even finished and saying "blizzard this..." "blizzard that.." "oh they lost my trust with that change!" and everything like that.

Just wait and see, i think the game will be kick ass

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Also I do with they left world pvp in. I personally enjoyed Pking, especially in hardcore. I even got a rush out of getting pk'd in hardcore. Or even in softcore. It didnt bother me and was a welcome change to a mundane lvling run.

The first guy I pk'd in hardcore was my very first adrenaline rush i ever got in a game. I only got that feeling playing online poker since. I pk'd some lvl 8 sorceress with my lvl 14 bowazon. Running him down after giving him the waypoint was a thrill. Sorry if i seem like a douche it just was.

I also remember a light hearted guy me and a buddy killed. His name was "NumbaOne". We ganked him and he came back into the game as a lvl 1 with the name, "StillNumbaOne"

But I personally dont think arena style works with Instagib diablo pvp. Tdm will though.

but what you enjoyed perhaps the other one didnt. Its what people call griefing i guess. Its the kind of pvp that blizzard dont want and i can understand. Often its only one sided fun, where in arena, you chose to be there, not being tricked in clicking the swords. Its like many mmo where you go there, find someone tagged and attack him, often they dont even defend themself. They werent prepared? they were afk? They dislike pvp? there is so many reasons. This is called griefing because its one sided fun, you and youre epeen.

I sound in this post like a pve-carebear but i do love pvp alot but i hate when it turn into bullshit. I love having competition, win or lose i dont care, i want to have a nice fight and an adrenaline rush. I dont want pointless spawn camping, i dont want to fight noob that dont know what they do or people that didnt even want to pvp and let themself die, this is children pvp. I want real action, where i need to work, min/max , find strategy, this is pvp. D2 pvp i tought was the most sucky of em all (gonna get flammed) There was non-written rules but hey, lot of people didnt care. Sometime it was a potion fest, running around all the frickin plain, playing hide and seek for youre target because they are drinking potion to survive, town portal, insults etc. What is the fun? i did find some people who were really interesting to fight but was mostly boring and lacking in fun.

that is why im at least please of the effort shown in D3, there will be a ground with other people THAT WANT TO PVP.

SFJake : you do need to remember that diablo was always PVE game, not a pvp one. Even diablo 2 was ALL about pve, with the option to be attackable. Its the players who made d2 dueling so popular, Blizzard never encouraged it or never balanced it and it seem everyone enjoyed their time no? Even diablo 1 with all the pk there was pvp where blizzard didnt really think of or balanced it.

I dont fear D3 pvp for that reason, they put an arena where i can bash on people, not making overrated duel with fake social conditions to it just outside the rogue camp, getting insulted by 9 years old who lost. I think it will be enjoyable and well perhaps even make friends since its group pvp ... or youll be stuck with a retard versus a premade where you get pwned badly. But anyway, this time blizzard took some time to make it, to please us, even giving vanity reward for it. It is a huge step up from D2. Perhaps some wont agree but at this moment, D3 look phenomenal. Some changes to runes/skills that i thought was bad, when i understood their changes and why was brilliant. Just give it time , lets get more information on it.

I think in one of the answer to pvp on diablofans, Jay said that PERHAPS! there will be a special zone where you enter it and turn pvp, where you can duel. It is not implemented but perhaps, wait and see.

@everyone mostly : Most of you are displeased about the pvp and they say they dont care about it blabla... Of course they dont!! they told it , they wrote it, they said it in public at blizzcon, its everywhere. Its a pve game, pvp is like a small added bonus, like a bonus game when you wait for load time. People on different diablo board are all mad/qq/cry about it. They say it everytime someone bring pvp. Dont be mad that they dont add different stuff for pvp, its not the purpose of the game, they said it at the start and they keep saying it, its not a pvp game. Its like wishing for pvp in mario galaxy 2, it wont happen. Here it does happen, they gave some attention too it but so many people want it turned into a e-sport, the game is not about it. Dont come crying if the barbarian is overpowered, they dont care and its fine like that because they said it. Its not like aion where the ranger was OP and nobody did a single thing about it when its supposed to be balanced or even warhammer online. Here they dont care and its ok because we are supposed to get it, they - dont - care. Not in a bad way, i really dont mind but dont get all worked out when you KNEW FROM the start that there wouldnt be great pvp in it

yeah im pretty sad with some turns here and there but d3 will still be a really great game, torchlight 2 cant be compared, i wont even buy it.

Real money trade is a pest and shouldnt be permited, greediness will be all over the place, it will be poker online but in diablo. People farming and not using the best gear, selling it for money.

No offline play, it pissed me off in starcraft 2 and it piss me off in diablo 3 too. At work i dont have internet, so on my lunch i wont be able to play. At the camping i dont have internet, so on rainy day or at night i wont be able to play. When we lose electricity (i play sometime on my portable) i wont be able to play. There is many more places where you cant really access internet on the fly, thus not being able to play a game that can have a solid single player campaign.. it pretty dumb

i wasnt that negative about it but i had some fears. Some people wrote something that i didnt catch

it will turn in a rune of the specific spell that you can swap in an out but not putting it in another spell. I feared of having a rune i liked and replace it to try to get an improvement and get it destroyed in the process, replacing it with a bad rune. If i keep the one i had in it first, im happy with the system, i dont mind.

For the RMT im all against it. People will farm and try to sell all the epic stuff for cash to make real money, thus turning D3 in a poker online for farmer . Im not a fan of auction house either but hey, thats my point of view, im perhaps sado but i was sooo proud when i farmed my full set of trang-oul for my necro. Took me a month or so. With the AH and enough cash/gold, i will have it with no effort.

but like many said , dont like it? dont use it! , but it will be hard to be impressed when someone will say "look at ma armor! im godly" and i will answer "you must a bought it noob.."

@master: i understand youre point but i still hate to trade. I hated putting stuff on AH or dealing with people, its always an hassle, often not really pleasant. Its always sad to lose an evening trying to sell an item and not play instead or worrying that it wont sell or whatever. i just hate the concept of "oh! nice! that will sell for alot!" instead of trading it to friends or whatever, we will see alot of greediness growing.