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    posted a message on Jay Wilson: Auction Houses 'really hurt' game
    Logged in for the first time in 6 months to post this response,

    "No shit?"
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    posted a message on A Message From Jay
    Quote from Doorsfan

    I don't defend Jay - But it's idiocy at best to try and say that because he's paid he is supposed to be some zen kind of person who can withstand millions of peoples critique and critique from other people who formerly worked with him,

    It's not idiocy, it's a expectation, a reasonable one at that. He can speak out against the interview in a more reasonable way. People are critizsed every day on a much larger scale on television. Do you hear Obama or any other presidents saying, "Fuck, those losers" ? -- well aside from Bush and the blacks in New Orleans.
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    posted a message on A Message From Jay
    This is kind of pathetic isn't it? We are all human, but someone in Jay's position needs to refrain from acting so childish, and be a bit more cognisant of the weight his words carry. I mean really, on a public medium you're going to say something like that?

    For those of you defending Jay, you really shouldn't be. This apology was necessary, and doley noted. And for those of you pointing fingers at this board for behaving similarly insinuating hypocrisy; you're being moronic. None of us get paid at the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop games. And lets not forget, we also still have our animity on these message boards; our real identity isn't attached.

    So, what does this boil down to? Jay Wilson, used his personal facebook account, to go onto a public page to say "Fuck that loser" in regards to the creator of the Diablo franchise. Cool bro, real fuckin' cool.
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    posted a message on Anyone with 200+ hrs still enjoying this game
    Quote from Zakaz

    Quote from Stormus

    I just wanted to clear up something. When someone says Diablo is broken or operates flawlessly; that's an opinion, not a fact. If someone thinks the game is broken, that's perfectly fine. The matter is opinionated, and as such it is up for interpretation. Whether they want to explain why they feel that way is up to them.

    With that said, IMO parts of the game are broken. And to me, the few broken systems the game has have really negatively affected the end game and the overall re-playability.

    To clarify - you're wrong. By definition an opinion is:

    1.
    a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty; A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.


    With that out of the way, stating the game is broken is absolutely, positively, not an opinion. If you do make that statement, and you do not explain why you believe that to be the case, you are subject to mockery based on your unabashed use of hyperbole entirely for the sake of being dumb on the internet.


    Did you really just go out of your way to look up the definition of an opinion?

    Simply put, (and in my own words, not Websters) a fact is something that is indisputable and agreed upon. Is saying, 'the game is (not) broken' not a subjective matter? It's up for discussion, there is no absolute 'yes' or 'no'. The answer rest with the individual. Why are we muddling the argument? I don't know if you're having a bad day, but you're coming across as arrogant and hostile. Either way, this isn't really either here nor there in regards to Diablo. Lets not stray from the argument . . .

    If you want me to give you the laundry list of reasons why this game has very little longevity and replay value, I will. If you want me to describe why some of the systems are broken, I will. But I don't see the point, as you likely will not read into what I'm saying and you'll spend your efforts trying to debunk every one of my valid points. You're not going to convince me that this game is polished, and I'm not going to convince you that this game was a let-down. Agree to disagree.
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    posted a message on Anyone with 200+ hrs still enjoying this game
    I just wanted to clear up something. When someone says Diablo is broken or operates flawlessly; that's an opinion, not a fact. If someone thinks the game is broken, that's perfectly fine. The matter is opinionated, and as such it is up for interpretation. Whether they want to explain why they feel that way is up to them.

    With that said, IMO parts of the game are broken. And to me, the few broken systems the game has have really negatively affected the end game and the overall re-playability.
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    posted a message on Anyone with 200+ hrs still enjoying this game
    Just for fun and out of my own interest. I wanted to get a more realistic look at the Meta-Critic user written reviews, so I decided to add my own values to positive/mixed/negative reviews. Here are the total amount of these reviews first!

    Positive: 1305
    Mixed: 252
    Negative: 2497

    which is a total of 4054 reviews.

    Now, instead of the such polarizing reviews found on Meta-Critic that are typically bunched around the extremes of 0/10 and 10/10, if we assign a value to a positive score, mixed score, and negative score, we can begin to get a more realistic picture of what the ratings really are, so lets try that!

    Lets say for the positive reviews, we assign a generous 9 out of 10 to these reviews, as very few would think the game deserves a 10 out of 10.

    For mixed reviews, lets assign a score out of 5 out of 10, as 5 out of 10 would be best described as mediocre or 'okay'.

    For negative reviews, lets assign a value of 3 out of 10; since this seems about the lowest any sensible individual would grade this game.

    Now if we multiple the amount of reviews by the score out of 10 assigned to the reviews, here are the sums;

    Positive: 1305 reviews * rating of 9 = 11745 total
    Mixed: 252 reviews * rating of 5 = 1260 total
    Negative: 2597 reviews * rating of 3 = 7491 total

    A total of 20,496 points, now lets divide this by the total number of reviews, 4054 and ...

    we are given an adjusted score rating of 5.05 out of 10.

    Does this seem a more accurate portrayal of the communities reviews on the website than the current 3.9?
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    posted a message on Anyone with 200+ hrs still enjoying this game
    Quote from Zakaz

    Quote from Stormus

    The final point; This game did not live up to the expectations for a Blizzard/Diablo franchise game. Obviously, that's very opinionated, and if you disagree with this assessment that is fine, but just know you are in the vast minority.

    I would love to see your official data on the matter, indisputably refuting the idea that more than a very small minority of players are still enjoying this game.

    I await eagerly your response on the subject.

    Here, posted a matter of hours ago. And while the article doesn't speak to whether individuals are enjoying the game or not, it is safe to assume that if they were, they'd still be playing. But I am sure you'll find a way to dismiss this article with your rhetoric,

    http://www.cinemable...rics-44420.html

    From the article, "Simply put, both Gametrics and Xfire are both reporting close to a 65% drop-off rate of the player base from Diablo III. . . a third source has jumped into the picture affirming that the player base is indeed dropping off fast."
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    posted a message on Anyone with 200+ hrs still enjoying this game
    Blah!!! Double post, sorry =P
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    posted a message on Anyone with 200+ hrs still enjoying this game
    Quote from shaggy

    Your argument would be wrong then, which anyone could have suspected.

    I just did a quick tally on the first page of reviews and got the following:

    0: 51
    1: 11
    2: 8
    3: 1
    4: 5
    5: 9
    6: 3
    7: 1
    8: 4
    9: 1
    10: 5

    Meaning 0s outnumber 10s by a margin of over 10 to 1 (which is a far cry from your 2 to 1 estimate). 51 0s on the first page, all within 24 hours. You mean to tell me those are LEGIT reviews? Stop being ridiculous, it's clear that those ratings are a bunch of people raging against Blizzard.

    *high fives Dae* You're gonna get mileage out of that quote man. I'm telling you!

    I agree, zeros aren't justified, but perhaps a 3,4,5, or 6 would be. Also, looking at the last 24 hours, we'd probably agree there are going to be more 0's, than if we were to look at the games first 24 hours, simply because people are fed up with the title at this point.

    My point is, the people who graded the game zero, obviously do not think the game is that atrocious, but they do not think the game is good. Either way, it would receive a poor review, these losers just decided to give the game the lowest review they could, which is not fair. But regardless of what score they gave the game, the review would still be negative.
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    posted a message on Anyone with 200+ hrs still enjoying this game
    Quote from Daemaro

    I'll just requote what I said in another thread.

    Quote from Daemaro

    I will admit that is hurtful, but only because those are all so skewed when a group of people are upset. A lot of games will have that happen when even a small issue with the game arises that upsets people. Now it's okay for people to be upset, that's fine. What's scary is that some companies take user reviews like they're directly representative of a games success.

    For example Fallout: New Vegas, a pretty big success overall, but had many bugs at first which caused a pretty big backlash. It was sitting at 84 for PC and 82 for consoles. Because of missing that 85 score Obsidian Entertainment didn't receive their bonus from Bethesda and ended up having to lay off 30 employees. Nevermind it sold over 1.4million in the first week and many more down the line, they didn't meet the metacritic criteria.

    For example just look at the amount of people who gave Diablo 3 a 0.
    http://www.metacriti...s?dist=negative

    The only time I'd ever give a game a 0 is if it just outright wouldn't work. Not because I was mad at design changes from a previous title or because I felt the game was too easy, or whatever else it might be. There is absolutely no reason Diablo 3 deserves a 0, I would even say anything below a 2 but that's really just all based in people's opinions and well you know what they say about opinions.

    Blizzard seems to know better though and they tend to look more towards the community in depth as a whole in what people like over a review number.

    Basically go through and take out all the ones that are 0's and you MIGHT have a more accurate rating. Metacritic is a really crappy system and even having 0 as a choice is a joke.

    The game is also not going to meet everyones expectations of longevity. I've personally got about 200 hours in and I'm still having fun playing it here and there.

    Interesting, and I agree! This game does not deserve a zero, and those who did; shame on you! I would say, any reasonable person, couldn't possible grade the game lower than a 3. And that's assuming the individual didn't like rpgs to begin with. If we got rid of all the 0's, it would only be fair to reallocate them somewhere between a 3 and a 6, right? In which case, maybe the metacritic user score would resemble something closer to a 5 or 6, either way, a pretty mediocre review. Which, I think is fair.

    If I were one to simply play the game, not ever having played a Diablo or Blizzard title. Not expecting an end game, and not expecting all the game systems to be fully functional and usable, I would give the game a 8/10.

    However, since I did have these expectations, I cannot give the game higher than a 6 out of 10, but that's me.
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    posted a message on Anyone with 200+ hrs still enjoying this game
    Quote from shaggy

    It's no less valid than using the opinions of 6000 forum trolls who want to exact holy vengeance against Blizzard.

    In fact, in this case, I'd actually argue that the PROFESSIONALS have less bias than the haters who just... can't... let... it... go. I think it's time for Dae to come to this thread and explain why people rating D3 "0" out of 5, or 10, or whatever, are not to be taken seriously. Cause, you know, he's only done that in two threads so far.

    Hell, I see a USER review that gave the game a 1/10 after just seven hours. I see another one that gave it a 0/10 within 24 hours. Hell, the first five reviews are 1, 0, 0, 1, 0... all within 24 hours. So I'm supposed to believe that those were people who actually gave the game a chance that the critics didn't?

    My argument for this would be, for every two people that gave the game a 1/10, 2/10, 3/10 ect. There was at LEAST one person that gave the game a perfect 10/10 within a few hours. In the end it equals itself out, and what we are left with, for the most part, are a lot of people that gave the game unjust 1's, a lot of people that gave the game unjust 10's and a lot of people in the middle that weren't on either extreme. I think it's a good approximation of where the community is, not exact, but a good starting point.
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    posted a message on Anyone with 200+ hrs still enjoying this game
    Quote from Zakaz

    Quote from Stormus

    I see your Diablo II years of development, and raise you Diablo III's decade + of development.

    I see your ignorant quote about development time and raise you plenty of information circulating around the internet claiming that the original Diablo 3 was scrapped in late 2003 and didn't pick back up until 2005 at least. I also raise you the fact that you have absolutely no idea what goes into game development, especially at this scale. Your continued use of hyperbole and lack of factual evidence only contributes to that belief.

    Quote from Stormus

    Quote from Zakaz

    Metacritic user scores - now there's an accurate read of opinions! And all 6,000 of them. Wooooooooooo.

    I'll take the actual critic scores (that's an 88 for you, champ)

    In this circumstance, with this type of game, Using critic scores is idiotic. Critics and publications want to get their review out there first, so a quick playthrough of the game and they decide on a score. Nearly every score on metacritic was posted within 10 days times of the game being released, before the RMAH was even available, and before nerfs ect. So critics reviews tell very little in regards to the game late game, which is of my main concern.

    That's like taking a mmorpg review seriously. Is it a good starting point to see if you should be interested in the game? Sure. Is it a concrete review that encapsulates the game? No, because there is constant patching, and its nearly impossible for a critic to experience the entire game in a weeks time.

    By your own admission, critics are posting reviews before everything is "set," and yet your return evidence is user reviews who did the exact same thing, and continue to do the exact same thing (because 2 months is hardly a realistic timeframe for a newly released game to be "set" in its workings), while intertwining the aforementioned emotion into the response. Yep, sounds like a pretty good baseline for determining what several million people think.

    I'm done feeding you, troll. You make shit up to confirm your beliefs, you engage in constant hyperbole while ignoring common sense or any form of critical thinking, and you're a hypocrite to boot.

    I'll make this very easy on you Zakaz, do you think the majority of Diablo II players are happy with Diablo III in its current state?
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    posted a message on Anyone with 200+ hrs still enjoying this game
    Quote from Zakaz

    Quote from Stormus

    Guys, I'm not going to do the research
    Quote from Zakaz

    Quote from Stormus

    The final point; This game did not live up to the expectations for a Blizzard/Diablo franchise game. Obviously, that's very opinionated, and if you disagree with this assessment that is fine, but just know you are in the vast minority.

    I would love to see your official data on the matter, indisputably refuting the idea that more than a very small minority of players are still enjoying this game.

    I await eagerly your response on the subject.

    And to the few others who question my assessment with many feeling as though the game was a let down. Look no further than gaming website user reviews. Metacritic average user has scored the game 3.9 out of 10 with over 6,000 reviews. Is that not telling enough? How about a quick visit to the general forums where there are dozens of polls with people unhappy. How about the fact that Blizzard has agreed that there is no end-game to speak of. Or the fact that Blizzard, a multi-billion dollar company is now caving in and asking what its fans would like in regards to MF because they have not the slightest idea how to deal with the issue.

    Listen guys, I'm not going to do your research for you, but unless you have your head in the sand, it is blatantly obvious that the majority of the people are not happy with the games current state and its longevity.

    Metacritic user scores - now there's an accurate read of opinions! And all 6,000 of them. Wooooooooooo.

    The six thousand meta-critic reviews is the most reviews the website has ever had for a computer game. I would say that 6000 is a large enough sample size to at least get a approximate pulse of how people feel about the game. Considering, you have to have a meta-critic account in goodstanding to post reviews, I think its a fair point of reference. So for you to belittle something so telling comes off as pretty ignorant.
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    posted a message on Anyone with 200+ hrs still enjoying this game
    Quote from Zakaz

    Quote from Stormus

    Guys, I'm not going to do the research
    Quote from Zakaz

    Quote from Stormus

    The final point; This game did not live up to the expectations for a Blizzard/Diablo franchise game. Obviously, that's very opinionated, and if you disagree with this assessment that is fine, but just know you are in the vast minority.

    I would love to see your official data on the matter, indisputably refuting the idea that more than a very small minority of players are still enjoying this game.

    I await eagerly your response on the subject.

    And to the few others who question my assessment with many feeling as though the game was a let down. Look no further than gaming website user reviews. Metacritic average user has scored the game 3.9 out of 10 with over 6,000 reviews. Is that not telling enough? How about a quick visit to the general forums where there are dozens of polls with people unhappy. How about the fact that Blizzard has agreed that there is no end-game to speak of. Or the fact that Blizzard, a multi-billion dollar company is now caving in and asking what its fans would like in regards to MF because they have not the slightest idea how to deal with the issue.

    Listen guys, I'm not going to do your research for you, but unless you have your head in the sand, it is blatantly obvious that the majority of the people are not happy with the games current state and its longevity.

    Metacritic user scores - now there's an accurate read of opinions! And all 6,000 of them. Wooooooooooo.

    I'll take the actual critic scores (that's an 88 for you, champ)

    In this circumstance, with this type of game, using critic scores as a basis is idiotic. Critics and publications want to get their review out there first, to bring more traffic through their website. So a quick playthrough of the game, and they decide on a score. Nearly every score on metacritic was posted within 10 days times of the game being released, before the RMAH was even available, and before nerfs, before patches, before pvp, ect. So critics reviews tell very little in regards to the game late game, which is of my main concern.

    That's like taking a mmorpg review seriously. Is it a good starting point to see if you should be interested in the game? Sure. Is it a concrete review that encapsulates the game? No, because there is constant patching, and its nearly impossible for a critic to experience the entire game in a weeks time, especially when the game is fluid and constantly undergoing change.
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    posted a message on Anyone with 200+ hrs still enjoying this game
    Quote from ZeroEdgeir

    Quote from proletaria

    Actually there has been no polling so that is just conjecture. I can't remember a blizzard title that didn't have forums 24/7 flooded with rage over something. If that is the case, those people are obviously entitled to their opinions, but they shouldn't be surprised when we (those still playing and enjoying the game) don't care.
    Just don't go judging Diablo 3 v1.0.3 against Diablo 2: LoD at Patch v1.12+. There is kind of YEARS of development that made Diablo 2 as great as it was.

    I see your Diablo II years of development, and raise you Diablo III's decade + of development.
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