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    posted a message on The Follower Blues
    Quote from Legatus1982

    Quote from Jackzor

    Quote from Legatus1982
    Mercs were never essential even in d2 and they most certainly CAN be balanced. Who are you to tell blizzard what they can and can't do? Have you ever programmed a diablo game?
    A good place for you to start in this debate would be saying something that is true.

    And I dont really care if mercs or followers can be used in pvp, but again I'd prefer having the option. If they aren't balanced in pvp, don't use them in pvp.
    Well, for starters, I'm not telling Blizz to do anything. Their own playtesting and iterations led them to the current conclusion to the follower 'problem,' and I'm simply pointing out the reasoning behind it.

    And I'm honestly sick and tired of everyone saying 'I just want the option.' Of course you do. That doesn't mean that Blizzard should sacrifice quality just so that you have more options. We all know that its not a realistic solution to just have it be a checkmark. If it doesn't work or isn't balanced, it shouldn't be in the game. Period. There are plenty of other options in D3, we don't need more that don't meet Blizz's quality standards.
    It IS as simple as a checkbox. And there ISN'T a reason why bliz can't nerf/buff/modify until it is balanced and works if they wanted to take the time.
    Until you accept this simple fact and talk some truth your entire argument is pointless.


    Here's how most adults handle conflicting opinions:
    Person A: My way is the best.
    Person B: I disagree, I like my way better.
    Both: OK, we'll come up with a compromise.

    Here's you:
    Jackzor: My way is the best.
    Person B: I disagree, I like my way better.
    Jackzor: NO! I want it MY way. You're just a big stupid-head.

    What is wrong in this scenario?
    You seem to be putting him down for not having "facts" as you put it, yet this statement is so groundless this almost sounds satirical if you weren't so critical. First of all there is truth in it. Blizzard CAN balance it to make it work in pvp, but what does this have to do with his argument? He's stating/justifying the reasons blizzard chose not to add PvP, so I don't see what the big deal is.
    I am still trying to figure out why this was typed..... When something is clearly "wrong" in it's context you don't need to compromise. In fact your're on a forum where what you do is DEBATE, and when people debate they aren't always compromising.
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    posted a message on The Follower Blues
    Quote from Legatus1982

    Quote from Jackzor

    If (with an emphasis on if) there was a way to actually make it optional across the board, then sure, it should be implemented. But theres just not. So its not in the endgame.

    And as for the number of people disappointed, there was an equally large crowd complaining that followers would be essential.

    Because you still haven't provided a valid reason that I can see; all I see is you telling everyone else you don't care what they get because you want it your way. And that is pissing me off to be honest.
    Consider other people please.
    Did you even read my posts? I pointed out multiple different ways that followers would be almost impossible to balance in a way that makes them both useful and non-essential. If you can't see a valid reason in there its your own fault.
    Mercs were never essential even in d2 and they most certainly CAN be balanced. Who are you to tell blizzard what they can and can't do? Have you ever programmed a diablo game?
    A good place for you to start in this debate would be saying something that is true.

    And I dont really care if mercs or followers can be used in pvp, but again I'd prefer having the option. If they aren't balanced in pvp, don't use them in pvp.

    So basically you like to have an option even if it doesn't matter to you, or if they are balanced for pvp? Why would blizzard even try to add an optional npc to help you fight in a PLAYER vs PLAYER match, that is unbalanced and outside the actual character's skills? The NPCs that are unbalanced would only make the pvpers who want them to fight in the ring with them call them horribly implemented due to many reasons I don't think I need to say. If blizzard worked hard to counter this right now and balance them, they'd be putting time into a system they wanted to limit, and only have as a hand holder for the "newbies." Mercs WERE a horrible system in D2, they made your "extremely powerful" character look like a pushover when a random computer with barely any looks to him could solo a whole act. Now people may enjoy this, but when an NPC can do things in a game you can't, especially when the focus of the game is to make you feel almighty taking out the greatest demons by yourself, it makes it seem like any average joe in sanctuary can beat up the biggest baddies around, if you give them armor and train them. That's how I kind of felt about the d2 merc system.

    They "could" do all these things you said, but they've already decided they mostly want your character to fight alone, or with other players, and that's why the follower system will only go as far as it is now. If they do decide to take it further later on in expansions then I would not mind, as long as they do it smartly. Even if I did buy mercs all the time, I never really liked them or looking after them.
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    posted a message on Followers System Poll
    edit: i hope blizz shows most of the system in beta, because I honestly can't form an opinion right now.

    This is a crappy "other" response on how I want it to work, but my answer is......

    "I'll make a decision when I've played Beta"
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    posted a message on The Follower Blues
    I think the problem I'm having with this new system is that I'm thinking in terms of D2 mercs. Blizz just wants this system to add a spice to the beginning of the game and get people use to co-op. Since I've been stewing over D3 over years and have had tons of time to create my own ideal(or pretense, from past experiences with this kind of system) which has made this kind of shocking. I'll wait til beta until I judge it since I'm so torn.
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