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Jay Wilson wouldn't even have a job right now if it weren't for the above ^^
This is a discussion about professionalism, not titles associated with their name.
Bad job trying to turn the topic elsewhere.
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Aug 23, 2012
snared04drummer posted a message on A Message From JayPosted in: NewsQuote from frozenmildew
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After saying those words to Dave, the man who brought us our passion, you will never be widely accepted, Jay. Your PR excuses cannot hide your aggressive hateful nature.
oh shut up.. while what brevik said sounded professional, it was a HUGE insult to the entire team.
jays response was no doubt unprofessional.. but heres an idea, you go put your heart and soul into something that means the world to you for 4 years, then when it's not doing so hot some other guy basically says your team is incompetent and didn't have a chance because all the talent left..
see how you react.
god people are retarded.
what he said was unprofessional, but was human, and he apologized as he should have.
water under the bridge, grow up.
For someone who is very bad at reading between the lines, you're sure insisting that others do it so well.
1. Dave was ASKED how he felt. And if you watched the interview at all you should be able to tell that the interviewer was trying VERY hard to get him to be a lot nastier. So yes, Dave was honest and yet professional, no other way to see that.
2. Jay reacted like a small child. Not exactly the type of personality that should be in his position in the first place. Human or not, when you're the game director of a franchise as popular as Diablo, working for a company as prolific as Blizzard, you should have a better temperament than that, or be smarter, but probably both.
3. His "heartfelt" "apology" was, I can guarantee you, a direct result of Mike Morhaime, or some other Blizzard higher-up, dragging Jay's ass into his office and saying "Look dude, you fucked up, go fix this and save some face", which he then tried to do. I.e. he only said those things because it's now plastered all over the internet.
Conclusion: David Brevik - 1 Jay Wilson - 0
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Aug 23, 2012
snared04drummer posted a message on A Message From Jay"Nice" has nothing to do with it. This was one of the most startlingly unprofessional moments from someone in a position like his in the history of corporate business. Did Bill Gates show up at Steve Jobs funeral and say "Fuck that loser." No, I don't think so. Jay is either an outright asshole, or just that stupid. He has a history of flagrantly bad PR decisions, and this just highlights that in a very public, very embarrassing way. Sorry, but you can't shoot off your mouth like that when you're the Game Director at the most successful video game software company to date. No excuses.Posted in: News
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Jan 10, 2012
snared04drummer posted a message on No Release Date Yet, Beta Key Contest Round 3, More On Consoles, Explosive Blast RunedAny else even care any more?Posted in: News
I honestly don't want to hear another word from anyone at Blizzard, no more wallpapers or other shit, until they set a release date. -
Jun 11, 2011
snared04drummer posted a message on Item Progression and the CubeOnly changing six times per difficulty? Only?Posted in: News
Lol, that's a lot. Titan Quest felt like a constant change, and it only changed 3-4 times per difficulty. Diablo II's looks were so few that I'm not sure how we could possibly call 18 different armor visual tiers (And probably much more than that with sets and what not at level cap) "only six times per difficulty". This all, of course, stacked on top of the fact that in Diablo II all the different qualities of armor (i.e. elite and exceptional) had exactly the same look as the normal tier, and that the actual variation of look on your character didn't even vary that much with uniques and sets.
Unless, that is, we're foolishly trying to compare the degree of itemization (in visual terms) to that of WoW. Let's remember that those two things are hard to compare visually, because the skins and models of armor in WoW are so invariably simple, compared to the full 3d effects of armor in Diablo III. -
Jun 9, 2011
snared04drummer posted a message on Diablo III's Collector's EditionI never buy CE anything, but if I were it would be for the soundtrack (if it was good) or in-game items.Posted in: News
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May 9, 2011
snared04drummer posted a message on May 9th Conference CallPosted in: NewsQuote from Kiserai
That's fair enough I think.
What's hard is that it's essentially impossible to find middle ground here; either people are seen as fanboys who think Blizzard can do no wrong and accept anything they're told without any skepticism, or as overly skeptical Blizz-haters that think Blizzard will never do anything right by the players, will always be months/years late, etc. I've obviously been open to being accused of falling into the former camp, and I realize I've been guilty tonight of leveling the latter accusation at you and others. Neither is fair.
All I'm really ever getting at here is that the people who really know what's going on with D3, as best as anyone really does (i.e., anything can happen, something game-breaking appears last minute and they have to postpone, or internal testing goings unbelievably well and we see beta ahead of schedule, etc.) are still saying they think can do this timetable. I think it's unreasonable to think they'd set even a caveat-laden goal this prominently if they didn't think they had a better-than-not chance of hitting it (i.e., 51%+, even slightly better than even odds).
Blizzard has had one sketchy history, we all know that. But I think we're seeing a new era of sorts, and SC2 was pretty pristine as far as living up to their timetable. D3 is a different beast (literally!) but I still believe it bodes well. They've been hyper cautious, as always, at every turn, so now that they've given us even this admittedly preliminary 'date', I'm confident.
/steps off the soapbox
Thank you, and /agree.
The only people who have any real inside knowledge of actual dates of releases have said: Q3 beta, 2011 release, just as you said. That being not only the BEST but the ONLY real non-speculation knowledge we have, I think that, Blizzard's history of timetable jumping aside, at this point (especially given the way the SC2 release went) we have no real reason to doubt those words. -
May 9, 2011
snared04drummer posted a message on May 9th Conference CallPosted in: NewsQuote from Gheed2010
No, it is an announcement of intent to begin a beta at a period in the future, with caveats.
When Sams or Morhaime, or Wilson, or whoever tells the screaming fans "The beta starts next week!" at the closing ceremony of b'con, that will be a "beta announcement".
The difference really isn't that subtle.
Not really sure where you guys are getting this "beta announcement will not happen until Blizzcon"
That's perhaps the most unsubstantiated guesstimate of all. Neither the SC2 nor the Cata betas were announced/begun at a Blizzcon even. Both of those happened in the middle of the year, and the latter for a much larger release.
The beta will happen when it happens, let's leave the date to Blizzard. -
May 9, 2011
snared04drummer posted a message on May 9th Conference CallPosted in: NewsQuote from Dolaiim
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I fully believe there will be external testing starting sometime in July, and that we will, in all probability, see this game around Christmas time.
Here we go again, not hours from this latest bit of "news." Assuming Beta will start in July, assuming seeing the game around Christmas time "in all probability."
What probability is it you're basing this on? Even while the conf call was still going on, Bashiok was quick to point out that this was a rough estimate, depending on how development goes.
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Mike Morhaime:
Official Blizzard Quote:
We are still pushing for a 2011 release
nuff said
Nuff said? Really? Wait so during a conference call they didn't drop a bomb by saying that 2011 is now unlikely, even though everyone knows that? You can take that as confirmation of a 2011 release, but we all know they purposefully said nothing. D3 got 3 bullets and 0 questions, a total of not more than 1 minute in the call.
Let me say this as clearly as I can: That was not a Beta announcement. That was an announcement that Alpha has started, and the game is "looking good." They gave a 3 month margin of error for Beta start, and even THAT is subject to the bombshell caveat "unless things change." It was barely even a timetable.
I'm not saying this as a QQ gamer with no life. I'm saying this as an investor and a professional software engineer.
Yeah.. you're one of the ones I'm talking about. You put a negative spin on everything said and act like everyone who would like to view it positively is an unrealistic idiot.
Q1 SC2 beta announced
Q2 SC2 beta happened
Q3 SC2 released
nuff said? It can happen. Don't run around foretelling things that haven't happened yet. You're not actually solving or saying anything substantial. -
May 9, 2011
snared04drummer posted a message on May 9th Conference CallAnd on top of that, I might add that, with the exception of the "we're shooting for release this year" from a quote earlier this year, there has never been a tangible date named for ANYTHING concerning Diablo III, period. So when they start throwing around actual dates, I find they're pretty much ready to go.Posted in: News
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May 9, 2011
snared04drummer posted a message on May 9th Conference CallPosted in: NewsQuote from Kiserai
Snared nailed it in my opinion. I think the final stretch is finally in view and I think it's time to take the risk of getting excited & investing in the idea of the timetable Blizz has put forth. Yeah, maybe we'll get burned again, but I'd rather get my hopes up and really enjoy the momentum of the next few months and deal with the frustration later than sit around and humbug every time Blizz even hints that a 2011 release is coming. As of (literally) this afternoon, Blizzard doesn't anticipate having to move the date into 2012, and we shouldn't either. History be damned, this is a new Blizzard & a new Diablo. They didn't disappoint with SC2's timetable, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here.
Exactly, thank you. This was pretty much deja vu for the Q1 call last year concerning Starcraft 2. He said it was coming at within the next 1-2 months of that call, it did, and about six months later we had Starcraft 2. Now here comes along the EXACT same message, and half of you in here are almost wishing that it gets pushed back to 2012.
The man said "we are still shooting for 2011". Optimism is fun, or so I hear. -
May 9, 2011
snared04drummer posted a message on May 9th Conference CallHaving started with Diablo I over a decade ago, I have waited just as long as most people in here, and understand the frustration. However, I'm getting a little annoyed at the naysayers to this announcement. I know just as well as all of you that Blizzard makes its own timetables for things like this, but this, in my mind, is a pretty positive, tangible thing to put our hands and minds on for a change.Posted in: News
I fully believe there will be external testing starting sometime in July, and that we will, in all probability, see this game around Christmas time. - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
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I am, however, going to go out on a very short limb and say that it looks like these will be way less useful than call of the Ancients, which do significantly more damage, and seem to have skills to go alongside that, and the CD's are identical. I was really expecting at least 10 fetishes, unruned, so this is pretty disappointing.
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Volcano Werewolf (VW) is looking for fellow Diablo 3 players to fill our ranks.
Volcano Werewolf? Yeah, two things you don't @%^$ with.
We are serious minded players with tons of experience in the Diablo universe and RPG gaming in general. Looking for fellow players to level, farm gear and (eventually) PVP with.
We will be organizing groups with good comps for fast levelling based on primary class selection and availability of time. Post here or PM me if interested.
See you on May 15th!
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2. NONE of the Diablo games, including this one, were EVER designed around, or with PVP in mind. It was, and is, an after thought. If you like it, cool, but let's get our facts straight shall we?
3. I might have been with you if you simply said "kinda sucks that there won't be any pvp at launch". I can sympathize with that a bit, but don't insult the way other people like to play the game, that is, the actual game... and expect any favors in return.
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I'm sorry, did you just devalue intelligence? I think you should quit while you're ahead.
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I'd love to believe you buddy, I'm not reading anything in that article that details a reason why they believe it will be released on that particular day. Am I missing something?
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And then this argument... again... Now we've got both in the same thread.
1. Diablo III will be just as much about "collection" as Diablo II, undoubtedly more so. Again, Uniques aka legendaries contain randomized mods, so even when you come across a shiny item of favorable color, you won't have the slightly clue what variety it's gonna be. How does that not exponentially increase item-finding depth?
2. Stat placement is not a form of depth or game quality, especially in Diablo II. Everyone followed the same cookie-cutter builds because the alternative was making a failure of a character. And every build was virtually the same, regardless of class or intent: put enough into str/dex to wear desired gear, then pump dex, period. Can we let this go please? It's a tired argument, nostalgia, or w/e. But one thing it's not, is valid.
3. I really don't think that they're going to release as shallow of a product as you're insinuating. They have put over half a decade of development into this game, and I'm fairly certain that we're going to have some good shit to experience, just based on my beta time. And speaking of which, one thing I'm 100% sure of is that it's too early for anyone to know this kind of thing, given the barest nth of content that we've been exposed to thus far. I'm also sure that fatalistic statements like these are ultimately unconstructive and pointless.
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1. Totally different genres. Yeah, they're both based around basic RPG rules, but you might as well beg the question "did WoW ruin Titan Quest?".
2. From Diablo II to now, Blizzard is a totally different company. I'm not sure if anyone involved with the Diablo II project is still working at Blizzard.
3. .00001% drops? You're saying that farming Rivendare's mount is what kept WoW interesting? I think you're a very poor judge of what gives WoW its quality if you're suggesting that...
4. Totally different levels of commitment. Diablo III can be played from Act I normal through Act IV Inferno solo. I.e., you can do everything there is to do solo. The only thing you can do solo in WoW is level a toon. Anything at level 85 is a group thing, with the exception of crafting and dailies to farm rep and gold. Speaking of which, there will be none of that kind of crap in Diablo III.
5. While itemization is somewhat similiar between WoW and Diablo III as far as ideal stats, everything else is completely different.
-The way in which items are obtained is completely different. In WoW gear pretty much goes: World drop/Quest Reward blues/greens->Dungeon Loot->Heroic Dungeon Loot->Raid Loot-> Hard Mode raid loot. In Diablo III bosses have the same (if not worse) chance to drop the best possible gear for their area and level, and again, you won't have to farm anything in a group, if you choose not to.
-WoW is built around min-maxing for each class based around a known, fixed group of items. In a major departure from both that system and Diablo II's system, the best items in Diablo III will contain a hint of randomness. I.e. rather than people saying a Shako AKA Harlequin Crest is worthless based on its defense (which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard...), you'll be bargaining based on a few random, relevant stats on those godly Uniques... er legendaries...
So no, WoW ruined nothing. WoW was heavily influenced by Diablo II, and Diablo III, in turn, will be influenced by it. I rather doubt, however, that they would take bad elements from it to inject into Diablo III's gameplay. At least not intentionally.
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I'm actually quite sure (99%) that we will be hearing a release date announcement from them within the next week. The simply have never talked like this before:
-"will be hearing a release date in the near future. Notice I didn't say "soon".
-"no more changes to the game, we're ready to release it."
Oh yeah... it's go time. Get your gamer hats on.