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Everyone keeps talking about itemization, which it is a very big deal. However, the other half, imo, is randomly generated zones.

Part of the replayability in Diablo and Diablo 2 was the randomly generated floors - after playing many many many many many times, a person could see certain patterns, however, it added one element Diablo 3 lacks; Diversity. It would be great if they added such element in the next major patch.

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@MrMonsrosity
Great ideas.
What you think about add new stash or dressing room to collecting our sets item? Each tab is for another set.

And I think idea with beam of light when we drop legend item should be for blue and yellow item too. ofc we can on/off in options which items we decide to see on the ground.

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I love the creativity, but I have to ask. Why does everyone, including Blizzard, always say the incentive to play the game is the LOOT? Yes, it is an integral component of the game and needs to be rewarding and fulfilling, but a similarly important portion of the game (and games we used to play) comes from character progression and individuality.

Allow me to explain, breifly, what I'm talking about. For example, Diablo 3 was developed to have a new revolutionary take on ARPG's, the character leveled up, his or her stats are allocated for you, and the skills require no permanent investment. Let's assume this model has no flaws for just a moment. What happens when you play the game with all five characters, and max their levels out? One person might say they have the freedom to change their build at any moment. Is this really the case?

More often than not, the reason you can play a build is because of the way the items are designed. With such a large emphasis on items or "loot," the character or "toon" you create is arbitrary. In a classic ARPG setup, you are committed to investing time into a character, knowing that you have to have confidence in fulfilling the build you created. Yes, accidents happen, skills may get misplaced, or you may develop new interests as you play the game. But that is exactly what helps keep the endgame alive, just like the items, the characters need to cycle out as well.

By having a system where the items are so heavily incentivized it really creates an environment where the only thing you're left reinvesting, isn't your time, its your money. The vast majority of the "top" players according to sites like Diabloprogress.com aren't just lucky fanatics, they're people with fat wallets. If you were to estimate some of the values of these peoples character's gear, you would be astounded. Clearly, on an enthusiast site, I dont need to express the fact that it completely worth it for some people to invest this money in this manner. However, I feel that as it stands right now, more people are pigeonholed into spending money to try and stay afloat because the way that the itemization sits right now (largely because of how important gear is) there are so many drops that unless you have near perfect gear (the elite 1% roll) what you're currently wearing will be obselete and devalued in almost no time flat. It is a repetive gear-replacing game.

Don't get me wrong, theres nothign wrong with being satisfied with a character and getting it to max level. But thats just one way to play the game, and to limit the scope of interest by only allowing players to play that way, is damaging the game. There needs to be incentives in place to keep the characters or toons relevant, or create incentives to make new characters or toons. What I'm NOT saying is that the skill system is broken. Rather, items need to be adjusted, stats need to be adjusted, or some new method of incentive needs to be added for the toon's themselves to have some sort of INTRINSIC value.

OP has made some fantastic suggestions. If I were to keep it simple, I'd suggest that some of the most important stats are static on the items, and that like the OP suggested, drop rates are changed. Although there is some variance because of the drop-rates of ilvl 61-63 (them not all being equal drop rates) there is some variation on what legendaries you find. They need a little more structure, in my opinion. Furthermore, like I suggested before, The characters themselves need some sort of inherent value. Once you max all characters, you have almost no reason to go and play the game. PvP as it stands, atleast in my opinion, is atrocious. It literally is a free-brawl, with no structure. That's not fun to me, because its very one dimensional.

I'm a strong advocate of ladders, and a legitimate PvP system and I stand behind that. They offer value to characters, and force you to recycle characters. I feel that there needs to be some level of player investment for any actual attachment to occur. The fact that in Diablo 2, if you actually reached level 99, your character was as good as it could be as far as your displaceable stats are concerned. You diligently invested every point and skill and in the end you are rewarded with that little extra. Your drop rates are inherently better, similar but not exactly like the paragon MF incentive. Your skills will inherently do more. And you've had to stick to a choice and execute it to the end. And in all reality, in the end of Diablo 2's production, you really get 3 chances to re-select all those points. That's extremely generous in my opinion.

curious to everyones thoughts,

Swag

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At the risk of being 'that guy,' all I really saw in the original post was 'let's use game theory to exponentially increase the desire to farm for many, many more hours.'

The suggestions only serve to string along even more countless micro-rewards for spamming LMB-1-2-3-4-5-6.

Of course I don't have an answer for the problem, I just don't think 'INCREASE ALL THE THINGS!' is it.

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I have created this account solely to comment on this post.
An awesome ideas and in my book, OP should be hired by Blizzard right off the bat. What an OP suggested here is pretty much what is missing from the game for me and I bet that it's the same with majority of other players.
Hopefully Blizz will get this ideas seriously and will try to get them in the game at some point.
+1 for OP for putting this up and making it crystal clear for the readers.

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I also feel like legendaries need to be more rare, so you'd have the "special" ones that are really good but rarely seen, even on other players or the AH.

I think one of the big issues is that the legendaries, even "bad" legendaries are just too good (and drop too often) for the content available. So you end up with every player wearing some random crappy roll legendaries since said crappy roll legendary comes with better base stats than 99% of rares.

When I was playing in group games, nearly every player I saw was wearing like 80%+ legendaries. That pretty much makes the legendaries not so "legendary". To me I'd rather have it more like at launch where players were mostly wearing rares, and when you actually see someone wearing a legendary it was usually something actually good, special, and rare. I'm sure many people don't agree with this though, afterall games like WoW basically have every player wearing full epics compared to the early days in WoW where we wore instance blues and seeing a player with 1-2 epics was actually "epic".

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As for NV, I actually think it should be on a time-based system rather than the reset on new game system. So we'd have NV with really high limits (like 500 or something) where you'd gain stacks on elite kills and lose stacks over time (maybe like -1 stack per 5 minutes) and also lose a certain of stacks on log-out. That way players can play however they want, such as extended runs OR just farming certain zone. However, they'd also be able to take breaks like even hours and just lose a bunch of stacks rather than fully resetting to 0. This would also help to fix the issue where many zones are simply lacking in numbers of elites.

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The easiest way to accomplish this is to make elemental damages matter again. This linear, universal dps/ehp rat race is a horrible game design.

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Awesome awesome post. I find myself agreeing with nearly everything you said.

That said, while these changes would make the D3 experience much better, it doesn't come close to addressing the root problem with D3, and that is that everything (progression, customization, power etc.) is dependant on your gear. This is the fundamental game flaw that loot will never fix.

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Nice to see and hear some ideas which are really intriguing. I think the basic principles you are talking about have merit but not necessarily the implementation such as rewarding the player with a buff for discovering items.

You state that item hunt is the single most important aspect of the game and to a certain extent I agree with that. I would say that it is a critical aspect of the game but only in combination with other important aspects.

That said with regards to item hunt one aspect that has always confused me is why the entire game is geared around selling and destroying items that you have worked hard at finding or been lucky enough to find (specifically legendaries). The stash available is so limited that you have to sell or destroy items and you can't keep them for future use or just to collect them which is fun in and of itself.

Collecting items should be encouraged and rewarded as well (not with a buff but like a trophy room for viewing them).

Just interested to hear your thoughts on the idea that collecting items should be rewarded not discouraged.

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I've been thinking about your NV stack solution and I don't really like it. Some people love shorter session. Sometimes, I do it too. People who did Mephisto run in Diablo 2 also loved short runs from time to time.

The NV should stay as it is (perhaps they should remove the timer though). Instead, how about some "Event bonus"? The more event you do, the more rewards you get.

I agree my NV stack solution needs a little adjusting, we've seen a bunch of good suggestions from the community on how to fix it. I think though. Something needs to be changed to allow people with small amounts of time to also feel like they are wasting their time if they don't have 1+ hours to kill.

Another thought I had to encourage playing other classes, would making class items drop more frequently for the actual class your playing be a way to encourage people to play a specific class? Instead of farming for gear for your Monk on a Barbarian you'd actually benefit from playing the specific class? I'm not talking a huge chance, but if they had like a 10-20% higher chance of finding class specific items it might have some merit.

Don't quote me on this, but I think I read in the Dev Interview (forgot which one) that they might do the following things:

=> You have more chance to find items that roll affixes useful to your class (if you find a helm, it's more likely to roll Strength if you are a barb)
=> You have more chance to find a class specific item for your character you are currently playing. Class specific items are going to roll more logical stats.

That alone should be a good reason to play other classes

They said that they might add some "specific loots" for "specific monsters" (ie Butcher dropping Butcher's Carver). I could see them extending this and "make the specific item" roll stats (Int for Wiz or WD) depending on which class you are currently playing.

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I've been thinking about your NV stack solution and I don't really like it. Some people love shorter session. Sometimes, I do it too. People who did Mephisto run in Diablo 2 also loved short runs from time to time.

The NV should stay as it is (perhaps they should remove the timer though). Instead, how about some "Event bonus"? The more event you do, the more rewards you get.

Quote from CandiruDR

This is a good post but this is a message for the guy who made this: Don't waste your time giving great ideas to Blizzard, they just will do whatever they think "its fun" for then, believe me, they just destroy Diablo saga and they keep doing it.

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Most of the ideas from OP are pretty amazing how ever the mf part is just bad tbh. If you take away the mf from paragon levels then one of the main reason going thru the whole grind is gone. If you need to kill 50 elite packs flawless without dying just to reach max. mf how is some1 doing a "quick" 2 or 3 map farmrun feels about it? He feels gimped. He grinds countless hours for 300 mainstats and 200 vit at the end of the day? A fresh lv60 being lucky on crafts could make up for those 300 mainstats and 200 vit way to easy.

Making paragon levels account wide is a step into the right direction imo but not a 1:1 ratio. Lets say its a 2:1 ratio related to certain paragonlevels f.e.

Reaching pl20 on one character yields pl10 to any other lv60 character, pl40 gets you to 20, 60 to 30, 80 to 40 and 100 to 50. This way you reward the whole account for something accomplished without taking away the biggest part of grinding to 100 and still have a decent start with a fresh level60. The highest pl on one character per account count towards all other.

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Oh, BTW, I absolutely LOVE your suggestion on Magic Find, and I'd take that over mine any day of the week. My question concerns more the Boss/events/achievements/etc part. The fact that we can't get our expectations high for anything worthy of it (today all we have are keys and organs, and Hellfire is lame in terms of reward).

One question about the MF suggestion : would the MF bonus stick to the player after he quit the game ? Or would he always start the game with 0 stacks like right now ? If that's the case, then 500 stacks would be impossible to reach, penalizing very hardly players in lower MP's.

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They should do weekly updates with the development, showcasing what ideas they're trying out and why it might not be working. We as a community could at least discuss the pros/cons with the ideas to help guide the developers.

While I would love the feedback and the insight to know what they're working on, I also think this would be a bad idea. You've seen what it's like on the forums already, it's a mixed crowd of opinions (as it should be and always will be). If they were to release an idea out to the public for feedback, they could spend even longer trying to get everyone's opinion tucked into or dealing with even worse PR and community fallout than they've already suffered with this game. People would argue over what they want, what they think should be in it and scream if their precious idea hasn't made it through. It would make the situation much, much worse I think.

I may be wrong, but I believe they asked the community for feedback regarding magic find gear swapping and solutions, and next thing we know, an entirely new Paragon system turned up with no warning. Ubers and keys and Hellfire rings? Where did they come from?! The surprise is amazing.

It would be nice to get a few sneak peaks with minimal details, just to whet our appetites, but I really hope they don't ask for feedback before just dumping the whole patch on us.

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Huh, thunderfury required luck? Don't remember needing luck.

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I wouldn't say nothing is happening..you do realize its not a simple process of simply just changing a line of code and then flipping a switch and putting in changes. The proposed changes (not all of them) would require huge amounts of time to develop, test and implement. Between each of those phases you would have project management ,quality assurance, testing, and then the final product. I don't feel like spewing out a ton of crap about the system development life cycle and all that shit but just because you haven't heard anything..doesn't mean it isn't happening.