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Omnivore here.

I like the taste of meat better though.
But a good meal for me should consist of both.

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the protein a day is right. its a rough estimate, ill re-word to slightly less then half your body weight, but its correct. its the absolute most important factor in building muscle after your work out. obviously getting all of it from one source isnt great, and its ALOT so therefor you take protein supplements like i said. i get half or more then half of my daily protein from my protein shake and then the rest from chicken/tuna/fish. honestly 120g of protein isnt that hard to achieve. one shake should give you over half of that, and then one can/bag of tuna should give another 30+g. and then some chicken for dinner another 30g or so.

A wording issue most likely.
Because let's take it as half body weight in terms of protein.
I weigh a sexy 74kg. Half my body weight is 37kg. So...that would make a 37kg protein requirement? I would have to eat half a cow daily for that.

However 1-2g per kg body weight would give either 74g or 148g protein a day. What makes it interesting is that the daily recommendation by most health bodies is around 50-60g of protein per day for an adult.
I was wondering what long term effects (if any) there are in tripling that amount of daily intake.
So once again, if any of you peeps got some research articles on that, please share.

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running too long/hard just wears your body down because your working out your entire body when you run. therefor you have less energy for weight lifting, so you save running for cardio days. again ive personally tested all these things. i went for 3 months and ran for 10-20 minutes before each work out. and then went another 3 months and did zero running before and just warm up sets. the result was far more strength in my work outs without running.

I can understand your position but I hadn't had any issue with mixing running and weightlifting. It does require a lot more focus than usual however.

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i need to find the articles i read about stretching during, because im pretty sure its not blood per say, i think it may be another chemical, ill find it. but regardless of the article ive also tested this, i actually went years and ALWAYS stretched during workouts. and then i read that article, thought it was interesting and stopped completely, and i noticed another big difference in my strength while working out. also if you watch some body builders during their work outs they never stretch either.

Oh I do know the effect of stretching on muscle activation. I was just wondering about the blood thingy.
Stretching has been linked with decreased muscle power output(right after the stretching bout).
So yes, during a heavy lifting workout I can imagine it won't help at all.
I need to add though that I've never seen anybody do actual (proper) stretching during their workouts. More like casual 5-10 second holds that can hardly be compared to real stretching.

More from experience than anything else, I find this beneficial in that it allows you to 'feel' through your muscles and detect any accumulating tiredness or soreness that might make the latter give way during the next set.

I agree with some of the facts you've presented. Others...not so much.
Like...

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because you'll need half your body weight in protein a day

Yes! Finally. An excuse for me to eat some 40kg chicken nuggets a day.

More seriously though, I think you may have meant 1-2g protein per lean body mass or something.


Regarding speed of reps, from what I've studied, it all depends on which property of the muscle you want to work- fast or slow twitch fibres(type I, IIa, IIb).
Also, eccentric action of the muscle for training works best with a slow and controlled movement- will handle much bigger weights. Isometric action is designed for faster action(with lighter weights).
Plus there is endurance, strength and power training which are all different.
Endurance is usually developed through reasonably fast(but controlled) reps with light weights.
Anyway...that is quite an extensive topic in itself.

A few questions about other areas I know much less about-
How does running take away from your lifting ability?
How does stretching release blood from muscles and make them weaker?

Also if anybody has any research articles they can link me about supplements, it will be cool. Specifically protein amount in terms of body building.
There are plenty of other studies on creatine already.

You are only trying to make me google Tricia Helfer.

Do horny women use it to pleasure themselves?

Guys, thanks to my voodoo magic, I managed to make summer last till November for us in the Northern hemisphere(specifically in the UK). If you could join me, we could make this last through new year and all the way until next summer.

I just need a few sacrifices. Nothing major.

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the agnostic wouldnt make a thread about this. thats why they are less extreme.

I am unsure in what light you are using the word 'extreme' but I'll give you the benefit of doubt here and assume you mean it as proactive as compared to passive/indifferent for agnostic. I believe neither agnosticism or atheism have much to do with these stances on god/religion.

Now why would anybody care?

This is why:
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And this is merely the tip of the iceberg. Organized religions are holding us back, keeping that medieval mindset which is constantly harming our society.

Challenging their views is a contribution towards moving to a better future where hopefully religions/god will go back to where they belong- as personal beliefs that do not directly impact upon the legal system or favor ostracism based on some arbitrary concepts that have little to no foundation in rationality.

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Nekrodrac, you, my friend, are a funny man.

Thank you. I couldn't agree more.

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The moon does not, and has never had light. This is a known fact which was discovered years ago. Some simple research will verify my claim.

Some simple research ought to confirm to you that the word 'shine' in no way exclusively means to emit light. If you don't want to do a research, you can easily go back to my last post and read what I said.

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Hydrology was explained more in detail in the Old Testament than its ever been historically. It wasn't until the 17th century that scientists BEGAN to understand evaporation and precipitation. This, my friend, is also a scientifically proven fact and you may consult with Google or a scientist to verify my claim. The Bible introduced this concept thousands of years before it was ever a thought in one's imagination.

It was not in our imagination. It was in our observations. Allow me to explain:
Fire, pots and pans existed before the testament. Let's go with these.

Take a simple example of preparing a soup in a pot with a lid and you will find all explanations you can need. Heat causes water to boil which eventually turns into visible vapor which condenses into drops on the lid.

Now let's go macro.
You step into the sun, you feel the heat. Step into the shade, it's cool.
Thus sun like fire produces heat. What could all that heat be doing to all the water around? Just like a small puddle dries out without requiring the intensity of the fire on the pot, the sun must make water 'dry out' (of rivers, seas and lakes)' as well. Yet the rivers rarely dry (not to mention the seas) and water keeps coming back. From the pot example, if a little thought is added it would suggest...a cycle.

Next step: rain comes with a cloudy day and BADABINGBAMBOOM- any man with sufficient observation and analytical skills can connect the dots. Vapor coming from the pot goes into the air. Mists hangs into the hair. Clouds looks like large mist formations.
We had the ability to record (and analyze) observations before the bible.

This knowledge is hardly partial to the testament(at that time it was written) and merely a form common knowledge that seemed sensible, reason why it remained sufficiently vague, as the exact processes remained very much a mystery.

So what I am trying to do here is appeal to your common sense with bible, religion and god aside.

Claiming that bible was some kind of pioneer in the explanation of the water cycle is very much like the kid who claims a toy his because he saw it first. It was there for everybody to see. Just because the testament became a very popular record of mankind doesn't mean anything it took anything remotely divine to put down these observations into words.

I would totally understand seeing divine inspiration and intervention in Jesus walking on water but for the water cycle? No, certainly not.

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The earth is a sphere, not a circle; however, when the bible was translated into English, the world circle was put in instead of sphere. In that verse, the Hebrew word used was חוג—chuwg. In Hebrew, this word means SPHERE; therefore, thousands of years ago, the world was said to be a sphere.

I merely responded on your quote and I was unaware of any mistranslation. But at that point, I am wondering why you chose to keep the mistranslated word, especially when you are trying to lay claim on knowledge that was apparently divinely influenced.

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The earth does hang on nothing. You make a disgraceful attempt to mock me here, because you can't respond with a proper rebuttal. It was not until the RECENT PAST that scientists believed that the earth stood suspended in space; they had no concept of gravity.

You lacked humility in your obvious attempt to mock a greek god. So I responded in kind. The moment you think other gods and religions are laughable, you open a whole range of intolerance that accounts for much misery happening around the world.
You can say mythology all you want but unfortunately you do not which god/gods are still worshiped.
Not to answer your specific point, the verse was about hanging on nothing. The word hanging carries connotation of suspension(thereby my reference to string) and it can be interpreted in any way you wish. You so happen to take a meaning that is CONVENIENT and based upon CURRENT knowledge.
Hanging on nothing = there is nothing underneath
Hanging on nothing = nothing is holding the Earth

As I said originally, the language remains vague. In any case, both interpretations are wrong. There are several lines of force acting on our planet to help it hang in there. So 'nothing' is incorrect.

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AIR DOES HAVE WEIGHT. Air has atoms; therefore, air has mass; therefore, air has WEIGHT. It is also measurable!

If you had read and considered what I wrote, you might have at least 'won' on this point. But with this development, you've just proven again how poor your interpretation is.
Atoms have weight, but show me where in the bible there is mention of it.

And also, weight of the air is actually force, like i originally said. A strong wind can lift a cow or a house and tornadoes have existed like forever now. So weight of the air, is the force it carries with it, nothing more.

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Have a good day, and I'll be PWNing you on Diablo 3 soon!

Good luck with that.

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Nekrodrac, you, my friend, are a funny man.

I agree!

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In my time, I have heard many decent arguments for these few verses, BUT your responses reflect the amount of education that you actually have.

A second praise in a row! That's too much. I'm blushing now.

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Before responding to a scientific post, you should try a simple Google search to verify your answers.

C-c-c-combo breaker!!!

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The moon does not, and has never had light. This is a known fact which was discovered years ago. Some simple research will verify my claim.

No shit, Sherlock. Look at your verse, then look at my explanation. Look at the verse and then look at the explanation I gave. I'm right.
More seriously, I never said the moon did have any light of its own. I was merely disputing the use of the word 'shine' which if you use that google thing you mentioned, you will find that it also applies to reflective ability as well and not emission only.
Of course you are on the defensive now, so you will continue to pretend you don't understand and grasp at straws.

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Hydrology was explained more in detail in the Old Testament than its ever been historically. It wasn't until the 17th century that scientists BEGAN to understand evaporation and precipitation. This, my friend, is also a scientifically proven fact and you may consult with Google or a scientist to verify my claim. The Bible introduced this concept thousands of years before it was ever a thought in one's imagination.

Your ignorance is appalling and so is your absolute cluelessness of the human intellect but anyway, I already replied to how nothing was explained and it was merely a record of OBSERVATION.

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The earth is a sphere, not a circle; however, when the bible was translated into English, the world circle was put in instead of sphere. In that verse, the Hebrew word used was חוג—chuwg. In Hebrew, this word means SPHERE; therefore, thousands of years ago, the world was said to be a sphere.

YOU quoted 'circle' from the verse. Wrong translation then? Not my fault sorry. A pity they couldn't find the word sphere when translating. Most tragic indeed.

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The earth does hang on nothing. You make a disgraceful attempt to mock me here, because you can't respond with a proper rebuttal. Typical Atheist. It was not until the RECENT PAST that scientists believed the earth stood suspended in space; they had no concept of gravity.

I actually worship the greek gods.
Typical for a christian nut to mock other religions and expect everybody else to respect his. The back of my greek god in invisible by the way. There...the earth rests on nothing (visible).

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Air DOES HAVE WEIGHT, smart one. Air has atoms; therefore, air has mass; therefore, air has WEIGHT. It is also measurable! Lol, this concept might be hard for you to understand, but a simple education might help you. By the way, you can go to a community college for free nowadays (mostly). Also, the government offers grants to attend college. Just FYI :).

Trying to formulate an elaborate answer on sarcasm is very much a touching testament to your contanstly-hinted intellect.

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I must say - this was a horrible attempt at impeaching me. Your rebuttals are horrendous; your intellect is pathetic; you are just plain confused about science. I would recommend you take a couple of science courses in school, so that you may learn basic fundamentals of the scientific world!
Have a good day, and I'll be PWNing you on Diablo 3 soon!

I thought it was a pretty awesome attempt. The proof is that you couldn't even quote me to reply and totally failed to differentiate sarcasm from a genuine point. Never mind 'science', just learn to read and understand. Otherwise it won't get you anywhere, religion or not.

Amen.

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Hydrology became understood in the 17th century; however, throughout the Old Testament, it is fully explained by divine inspiration.

No, it is not fully explained. The knowledge is rudimentary (at best) as it has been for thousands of years before the old testament and which resulted from the simple process of observation.

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Isaiah 55:10. "As the rain and the snow come down from heaven and they don't return without watering the earth and making it bear and sprout and furnish seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall My Word be which goes forth from My mouth: It shall not return to Me void, without accomplishing what I desire, and without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it."

It says here that water and snow comes from the sky(or heaven). I've never had water FALL UP on me from the ground and pretty sure that our ancestors (before any testament) with the prolonged amount of time spent outside, might have observed this delightful phenomenon just fine.

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Ecclesiastes 1:6, "The wind goes toward the south, turns about unto the north; it whirls continually, and the wind returns again according to its circuits; and all the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full."

People who observe the weather(and the waterways).
I suppose the lack of video games instead of divine inspiration would be a much more sensible explanation.

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Job 36:27-28, "For He draws up the drops of water; they distill rain from the mist, which the clouds pour down, and the drip upon man abundantly." <---EVAPORATION

Evaporation- process whereby water in its liquid form acquires enough energy to go into its gas state.
'He' could not have been drawing up 'drops' of water unless through a huge invisible straw. You do not distill rain from mist and then have the clouds pour it down on your face. The clouds contain the water and there needs to be a special condition for the blissful water to come from the sky. So which part of the water cycle again is explained here?
You mean a person realizes it rains on a cloudy day and associates water with clouds? Or observes dew? Or how when cooking stuff in water the thing evaporates? Pretty sure there were pots and pans before the old testament...
Ya you can do all of that without divine inspiration but maybe that's just me.

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Job 25:5, "Look to the moon. It shineth not." <--- NO LUMINATION FROM THE MOON

I'm beginning to think that you honestly need to spend more time outside. Once you get through a few lunar phases and watch the moon, you can easily see it SHINES. A bright surface shines after you polish it. Ya you guessed it- shining can be either giving off or reflecting light. So the moon definitely shines.
I don't know the whole chapter you quoted. Maybe it goes on to detail how the moon is only reflecting the light of the sun, that we actually only see one side of it, that it spins around us and all the cool stuff.

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Jeremiah 31:35-36, "Thus says the Lord, who gives the sun or light by day, and the fixed order of the moon and stars for light by night. If this fixed order departs from Me, then the offspring of Israel shall cease from being a nation before Me."

You get light from sun during the day and light from moon and stars at night...Hmm...I imagine that must have been difficult to figure out by mere observation. I concede this one. A very poignant contribution from the old testament. Not sure about the Israel part though.

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Isaiah 40:22, "It is He who sits above the circle of the earth" <---ROUND EARTH

The Earth is not a circle.
A kid got slapped at school by the teacher when he started calling a ball a circle. I cunningly decided not to make the same mistake. But I understand other parts of the world is not as harsh as here.

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Job 26:7, "He hangeth the earth on nothing." <--- GRAVITY, IT DOESNT SIT ON THE BACK OF A GREEK GOD

So...there is nothing below the Earth? Pheeww...good thing that the string on which he hangs us is a strong one. Can you imagine if we fall...
Damn.
But maybe then we'll fall on the Greek's god back and be saved anyway. Oh yeah!

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Ecclesiastes 1:6, "The wind goes toward the south, turns about to the north, whirls about continually, and the wind returns again according to its circuits."

Job 28:25, "He imparted weight to the air." <--- AIR HAS WEIGHT

The air has weight? Like if I slap the air, you'll get hit by it?
Or did you mean force? I think that may have been what you meant.

Anyway, fun time over. You can certainly make out a lot of things from any religious books in the world- not just the bible. This is due to the language retaining a very cryptic sense and never being quite decisive or clear- something definitely to its advantage. The proof is how you can get devout religious people who can either be helping others around them or murdering or abusing others based on the same sacred texts.
You can plead a cause of majority here and say- 'look at how most of us behave' and that this must surely be the 'right' way. But that 'right way' is hardly through the religious texts. Instead it is a result of laws upon which modern civilization has been built combined with our natural predisposition as social animals , making it largely inconvenient (financially and socially) to act like the minority is doing.
And it's all natural to try and find credence in ancient literature if it's your religion(since childhood) but at this point in time where we as a race need to stand as one, it is but pure delusion and stubbornness in thinking or trying to prove your religion/god is the right one.

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Coastal villages ftw. Best time of the day- half past 5 in the morning on the beach. The whole place is for me. So damn awesome.

+1 most truthful statement ever! Do you surf? Early morning is the best because I only have to share the waves with sharks.

Na, never took up surfing. Was always more interested in diving, snorkeling and exploring. You know, finding opportunities to get bitten by eels or stung by poisonous fish and all that fun stuff...
During summer, i would get up at 5, complete half an hour running session on the beach, then go swimming at the end of it. Pretty fun.

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Theres a big spider outside my bedroom window. SEND REINFORCEMENTS!!!

There are so many of these but i'll just post these 3:

Aus is still awesome in my book though. Planning on going on vacation there sometime next year.

Pff...Philosoraptor's lame theories...

I hate big cities too(London counts, right? :P).
Coastal villages ftw. Best time of the day- half past 5 in the morning on the beach. The whole place is for me. So damn awesome.
Until the day i get mugged i suppose.

Anime-wise: Shikamaru rules!(@Monk)

I'll just leave this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxhqVrbixZc

Welcome and nice post in the URT. Forgot to rep it.
So here goes.