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People finally start realize it's better to find your own gear instead of shopping it... Dwelve is pleased!

lolwut?

Are you like that guy who took 9 months to beat Inferno on MP0?

If you are, then I daresay you are one of the smart ones. Seriously.

yay downtime... typical.

Back to PoE.

Magdha.

Long live Cain.

...but Diablo's voiceover actually comes close to being the most awful thing I have ever heard in a video game. No, wait. I think it is.

Wonderful artwork!

I particularly enjoyed the lighting one, and the meditating monkey (monkey-mind).

I shall hand out links to your website to friends, if that is okay.

I don't think that anyone should have a right to tell someone else what to put into their own bodies.

If people choose to put substances into their bodies that can totally fuck their lives up, that is their problem, and they need to accept responsibility for their actions.

+100 Internets

Quote from Nephelem

the problem is BoA. I want to trade Keys, i want to trade machines and Rings. Wtf is wrong with Blizz making items in Diablo gmes Bind on Account? This is not WoW for Blizzards sake

Agreed.

Quote from Zeyk23

I think one of the big reasons this gem was added was to serve as the gold sink to end all gold sinks.

I don't think it will work out that way.

Recall that gem crafting prices were initially intended as a gold sink, until they decided to drop the crafting cost. And then, blacksmith crafting was intended to be the gold sink, until people realized that due to the itemization woes it was a worthless gold sink.

I'm not quite sure that this gem, and the additional crafting recipes (and their products), are the way to go.

For instance, once the people who can afford to actually make the gems and the items for themselves, what will they do then? Make more gold, and hold onto it, in order to wait for the next "gold sink" scheme.

I think in reality it might be more of a RMAH attraction, in which people decide to buy igg with their credit cards in order to have the ability to have the same products for less in-game time spent.

Not that any of this is necessarily "bad" or "wrong", but it is what it is.

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I agree it is the easiest way, but it is also the laziest and unoriginal.

This is going to shock you, but I agree wholeheartedly.

One of the major characteristics of the Diablo series, for me, is that damn near everything is tradeable. We're losing that and, whether or not anyone things I'm being melodramatic, that really does make it feel significantly less like a Diablo game to me. To me it feels thoroughly un-Diablo for there to be so many BoA items.

I agree. When they shipped the CE with wings, I was okay with that. I thought that it was cosmetic, and so it didn't matter.

But when I came back to the game after a few months, I was actually shocked that you cannot buy/sell/trade keys, organs, and Hellfire rings. And now they are making almost an entire tier of gear just like that, complete with gems.

In Diablo 2 you could trade all runes, runeword gear, even personalized items. It seems like the rate they are going, the people in godlies will not be able to trade their gear at all, which is not 'Diablo-esque'. On top of that, they will probably make multiple of the same item while going for perfect rolls, only for that item to become trash instead of traded.

It just doesn't seem like Diablo in that respect. There are some other changes they have made which take away from the 'Diablo' flavor, but I digress.

I do think that Blizzard's insistence of gold as the 'only' currency in this game is slowly coming back to bite them in the ass, though. All of the adjustments they have made to try and effect the cash flow since release point to this, not to mention the fact that godly items are not held in check by another item. They are just priced as high as anyone can price them or is willing to pay.

In Diablo 2, a SoJ, duped or not, was the standard for a long time, and such a standard helped to keep other prices in check.

Reimbues were nice in D2.

Surely, if we could reroll an item (for a hefty fee) and have it keep its current ilvl, then problem solved.

Much easier than creating a whole new tier of gear.

Someone was kind enough to explain this to me. Let me see if I can get it right.

The Account Bound gems will increase the value of other gems. Prices of the other gems may soar from where they are now.

However, the prices of the materials needed to create the crafted items will also increase due to demand, and they are easy to get.

Theoretically then, selling the materials needed to craft the new items may offset the price increase of the gems.

Of course, all of this may settle down eventually, and the market might return to a similar state it was in before the patch was announced, with the net result being a selection of players having more Account Bound items (more 'shinies'), less gold, and a higher repair bill.

Make any sense?

Quote from Ultragrisen

I dont understand some people that think that all stuff should be available for all players way to easy.. then the game looses its meaning.

That's absolutely not my point.

I don't care who gets what gems, or how many they have, or if they want to tie them into every piece of gear and form a gem parade.

But for those that do not, they will suffer by seeing the price of Radiant Stars (and possibly other gems) go up. Maybe they won't go up for long, and will settle back down, but I doubt it.

And when that happens, the pretty gem parade is actually hurting the game as a whole, not helping it.

I haven't once said "take away the gems". I'm more interested in them being account bound. D2 did not have one account bound item through all of its existence, and it went along just fine. D3, on the other hand, has gone the route of instead of improving the items on the whole, they are going to improve the items for a select amount of players, to the detriment of the whole community. That is the complete opposite of what D2 did.

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I do.
Seriously where's the problem in that? if any one could afford the best stuff, what is there to strive for and how is that endgame then? If majority would be doing the same thing and being able to afford the same things, that would mean the endgame is just bad and easy to reach. What is wrong with giving something to buy for the players that can afford it?

Massive inflation of radiant gems doesn't matter, because any one can craft them on their own for a set JC fee.
In the end, its just a gem. It's just +4 primary stat or whatever slot you put it in over the lower gem. It doesn't hurt not having it. It's not a requirement for anything. On the other hand, if you do have the gold to spend, then why not get it?
I don't see a problem.
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So you don't see a problem with them intentionally pulling gold from the economy, while forcing certain prices to rise within it?

Quote from axeman87

I never said that... please quote correctly.

No one quoted you. Wrong thread maybe?

Quote from Ultragrisen

So? Thats how it works in rather many games. These new gems are primarily for endgamers and should be. There must be some stuff that differentiates normal players from endgame players.

Right... so the already godly gear doesn't differentiate 'normal' players from 'endgame' players?

You're telling me that a player with an average item cost of 500 million per piece isn't differentiated from someone with an average of 20 million per piece?

Get real.

All this is going to do is massively inflate the cost of Radiant Star gems, so that 'endgame' players can feel cool while they sit and farm MP10 in solitude (read, with the small amount of others farming MP10), while the 'normal' players that could be 'endgame' players are held back by prices they can only hope to pay with their credit cards.

Do you really think that is solid game design?

And this isn't even close to the personalization quest in D2. A personalized item in D2 was not account bound, and it actually defaced the value of the item.

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Quote from Azidonis

but I expect Demonic Essences to be fairly high priced initially, if they don't remain at least in the millions (depending on how many of them actually circulate).

This won't happen as the demonic essences are BoA too

You're right. I missed that! Thanks for pointing it out.

Still doesn't change that the net result of the operation is the removal of millions of gold and high level gems from the economy though.