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Why do you bring up such pointless things?

Who gives a shit that its their right to do this and its their properties?

I'm arguing what they should do, because they WILL be losing people and respect for it.

And thats the fucking point. People that won't bow down to crap like this will make gaming better. If all companies do this, it'll be shit. And people like you are certainly to blame.

I'm done with you.

Times have changed. Yet another brainwashed excuse. Times haven't changed. People are just excessivelly gullible and love to being told what they want.

And I fail to see yet again, how all of the things that the server handles have to be put in the single player version. Knowing where in the single player code an item is dropped should not even be relevant. Why would it be the same than in the secure multiplayer?

How much more security does it add for people to not have access to these things? Really, how much? Even if they know how it works in single player, they can't just suddenly hack through to the server and tell him what he wants to hear. Once in multiplayer, the security stuff is in place, unlike offline, and the server handles everything he needs to.

What difference does it make? I don't even see it.

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What does this mean and what are you referring to? Jay said they'd make a console version if it would make a good game. I don't see any problem with Blizzard making good games, regardless of platform. Why be so phobic of such things?

You misunderstand. I'm not talking about developing on console as well, but forgetting the PC players entirely and dedicating their games for console. That was not aimed at Blizzard.

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I don't know where you got that from. I've always seen D3 refrenced as a foremost online cooperative game. If anyone is selfish it's the single-player minority who'd rather see the game tailored to their needs. And please note, i'm agnotic about the whole situation. If an offline singleplayer is made avalible that's fine. I just don't feel compelled to fight for it and I think dogging Blizzard about abandoning single player (as though internet connections were hard to come by these days) is poor form and (as previously noted) especially ironic when done through an internet forum.

Seek out old Blue posts. Even they have said so. Battle.net was a bonus to D2. The games were designed for Single Player and expanded from that. And I fail to see how adding an offline mode totally on the side is asking the game to be "tailored to our needs".

And no, not everybody has internet or more importantly, a good, stable one. Even a dodgy connection of which there are plenty will not be able to enjoy D3 as much.

They are abandoning offline single player for the sake of some security, SP players who have supported their previous games (again, they themselves I'm pretty sure, but I won't find the quote for you, have said a good portion of the community doesn't even go on battle.net in D2), and its not like the formula of the game has changed. Its the same thing, but some people are denied the offline single player, which also comes hand in hand with the removal of the rights for mods, for a little security, and you find it selfish that we want that?

I don't see how shutting people out in any way, and how we are whining about it makes us selfish. You claim this game was always intended as an online game but both previous games clearly were not just that.

This is as bad as a series of PC game going to the console for stupid reasons and people just bowing them over it.

Even Blizzard themselves always told us this was first and foremost a single player game. Its such a bad excuse to say this is a coop game and doesn't need offline. And like that other topic, just goes to show how incredibly selfish the majority here are. It fits you, it fits what you want, and that makes it right.

This is pathetic and I'll keep saying it. Only 22% against it is just sad. They strip freedom but people smile and bow down. What a joke.

I'm glad there are some good answers in defense of offline mode here. Sometimes, I feel like this forum needs more people that aren't so oblivious to this.

And I have to say it: Blizzard's response on this issue is downright laughable.

In the end it all comes down to the good old "Security VS Freedom" debate.

Is it really the way to go? To remove some freedom for some security? Even most people would agree that stripping the entire world of peace would not be worth removing all of its freedom. So when you remove more freedom than you add security... why are you doing it?

The added security is nothing compared to having a good, well coded, stable server side system unlike D2 which was.. well, horrible by today's standard and abusable in every way. Adding this layer of security at the cost of offline is ridiculous.

And of course, when Freedom VS Security happens, the people that are not affected by said removal of freedom will not speak out. Thats like the government would decide that you have no right to be gay anymore. Would every straight person just say "who gives a ****?".

The problem is they don't support more options. I frankly don't give a shit that you dislike or like this style. The only problem is if its the only option. This is 2011 for god's sakes, they could please a lot of people by just adding some more options.

This is just trying to justify a very profitable system that has a lot in common with gambling. This was never right, legal, 3rd party or by Blizzard, as far as I'm concerned. Anyway, this is all quite low to me, and everybody knows what I think about this.

In any case, good post, it does happen to be useful and concentrates some needed information that some people are unaware of.

Here I think, the line is drawn better a blind fool that just adores Blizzard without thinking, those who don't care whatever they might do, and those who actually says "no" and goes away.

I have drawn lines before in games and Blizzard has crossed them. If you had not guessed already, I'm boycotting the real money AH, and will therefore never buy a Blizzard product again.

I'm not going to stand by like a sheep when companies make such pathetic moves. And don't think I ever cared THAT much about this game's economy, but this is the F2P model (except the game isn't free, of course) I won't abide to. This is a greedy company deciding to take control where they should not. Its obvious to me that Blizzard cares too much about their precious pocket, preferring to doom the metagame of Diablo 3 into a real-money bullshit for money. And thats not even talking about Character selling. After SC2 maps that would be paid and the constrained bnet 2.0, what more do I need to boycott them?


I'm making this topic to see if anyone else is doing the same. I say, if you think Blizzard was an exception to the rule, you are lying to yourself. This is another company that doesn't care about you. Oh, at least they still make good games... for the time being.

I'm done, Blizzard. I have no respect left for you.

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How can someone actually believe this is true? It's the stupidest idea ever. I'd bet my dick that it isn't legit.

You're one risky gambler.

There is no support that should exist for this shit. I don't for all the excuses. Its stupid and its wrong. This shouldn't be debatable.

DA2 great?

What are people smoking these days?

Its not -bad-, but its FAR from great. You don't label such a dumbed down RPG with extremely repetitive copy-pasted environment and a boring storylines that goes to hell in the end "great".

Though I enjoyed the characters and the dialogues. Combat is -very- boring.

Fable 3 has a very, very ugly reputation.

4 people is enough more then that is a crowd

especially with the new spell effects and pretty lights

The route of my pissed-offery doesn't stem from offline play being removed alone. It's Blizzard's additude and mentality toward this game and it's community and their obssession with making money and preventing piracy while hiding under the guise of convenience. They are stripping away players rights and options for how we choose to play or enjoy a game we're paying for. They are applying the same strict control methods seen only in pay to play or cash shop mmorpgs; yet the game isn't. They are forcing everyone to play on the servers they strictly control... Preventing offline play, banning modding, preventing lan and a real cash auction house are disgusting.

As for mods. Hellfire for Diablo 1 was a fanbased mod; there are countless mods for Diablo 2... Blizzard stated early on mods would not be supported for Diablo 3 but if players wanted to make mods "power to them" it was still ok. Now this has had a dramatic reverse where mods are now against policy and terms of service.

The thing about offline mode, mods would have been limited to offline mode. You could still create singleplayer offline mods; with the removal of offline mode this will become impossible since battle.net is the only way you can play the game. Because anyone not playing on battle.net means potentially less revenue for Blizzard through the auction house.

And no I won't by this game. I'll stick with Torchlight 2 until private servers start popping up for Diablo 3; but I will no longer support or respect Blizzard as they have chosen not to support or respect their fan-base time and time again.

Square-Enix was a large video game company responsible for some of the most popular games ever created; but they became too complacent and arrogant while turning their backs on their fans and have gone into a spiraling downfall because of it.

And quit being another hostile dumb ass nerd defending these changes. It only empowers Blizzard to continue to screw over the community. It amuses me how some people defend Blizzard like it's a religion.

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The thing is if you achieve these things you haven't solved the problem, just the cause. As soon as something bad happens in life it will all just come back. Also yes anger is a good outlet for depression, but love and forgiveness is a better outlet for me. When I love the people that care for me I feel much better than if I were to snap at them every time they annoyed me. If I did that I would just feel guilty and depressed.

Spouting things you read in some silly book. I believe you mean well, so I will tell you something, maybe you'll stop spouting these things:
most people in society, when they see something that's different from others, such as depressed people, perceive it as a personality fault. They are afraid depression will happen to them, so they convince themselves that it won't. They convince themselves that depression only happens to lazy, weak, emo people, so that they can consider these people inferior to them. This even happens to people who used to be depressed, just like people who used to be poor stop caring about the poor once they become rich.
Most books about depression are written with this idea in mind, I found. It's not there directly, sometimes it's even subconscious. At the end of the day, they all try to convince us that the only ways out are paths we cannot take, and all others do not owrk, therefore saying there's no way out. Like you right now, telling me something won't work, like you know SHIT, like you know ANYTHING except some rubbish you read in a book.

I'm not a book.

I'm real. I know how I work.

And I don't need your 'help' if all you can tell me is that I will fail.

While it has been said before, here is one more piece of concrete evidence that there will be no class in Diablo III dedicated just to healing or any other utility.

Blizzard has stated from the beginning that they are making Diablo III with cooperative play as its main stage. With cooperative play comes forming parties or groups. However, unlike a very famous Blizzard MMO, players will not have to worry about looking for a healer to form a party and complete certain obstacles. Blizzard wants every class to be able to destroy the demons of Hell whether they are in a group or the player is enjoying Single Player.

While no class is dedicated to healing or support, this is not to say that each class is not without some skills to help out themselves or their group stay alive as Bashiok mentioned. The Barbarian has skills like Strong Constitution and Death Proof to help keep him alive along with a slew shouts and battle cries to help out his group. The Witch Doctor has Jungle Fortitude to give him some extra HP and has Horrify and Mass Confusion to aid his allies. From the few skills revealed for the Monk, it is easy to see how he can help his group stay alive with Inner Sanctuary and Radiant Visage. Even the offensive heavy Wizard has Conjured Health to gain some need HP and Slow Time to help party members.

Along with no healing class, Blizzard has also removed the accessibility of potions for the player. They have created many more mechanics to help characters to constantly stay in the action of this game. Health Globes will help player heal as they continue to fight. The have also added checkpoints for when you do die and a co-op resurrection system. While some Hardcore Players may face a harder challenge without potions and no healing class, it is the challenge that keeps people playing Hardcore.

So for all of you who continue the fight against healers in Diablo III, you can rest. There will be no healing class in Diablo III.

The big deal is that a lack of dedicated servers is having a negative impact on competitive gaming. There are, of course, other reasons, and some good general overviews can be found here and here.

Basically, this is all just a slap in the face to PC users; the series wouldn't be what it is today without the support of PC users.

Also, for you people arguing over the controller vs. keyboard/mouse, take a look at this.

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No seriously, I had little intentions of buying that game and yet it pisses me off.

What the fuck is going on with the gaming world? Well, in the world in general, too, but why gaming too? How freakin' sad can it get?

Same here. I've never played CoD4 and wasn't too into this game since it's multiplayer mainly and I'm just not into multiplayer FPS, but this is ridiculous...

And worst of all, people will buy this game. And they will realize they can limit the player in each and every way and still get their money back.