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At 1st sight I thought the puppy was dead and the chickens expression was "muahaha my kill"... then I was like.... awwww

Quote from "tkrow21" »

Where did I say that?

I just said expansions are bad because they split the playerbase, doesn't mean I don't play the expansion though. Stop making inferences based on what I say, bad ones at that.

Rofl I'm sure alexiskool was using the term "you" to target the entire diablo community, not just special little you

Quote from "HARDCOREPOORE" »

it makes more higher lvl items drop, it has nothing to do with the color of the name

ugh i really dont feel like explaining out the perfect drop system of d2... ill give u a nutshell.

first, things first. you have to get the high level items to drop, therefore you rule out the common items by killing a buncha low-mid lvl monsters.

Evidence to back this up?

Quote from "HARDCOREPOORE" »

next, you have to get the gold name..... so get 399 mf, from my experience thats the perfect balance.... 400 is bad luck

from your experience huh? Then is MUST be true!

Quote from "HARDCOREPOORE" »

finally, you still have a small chance of that high lvl item to drop and be gold, but your chances are greatly increased!

finally, bullshit.

Rather than arguing, teaching you the concepts of probability should save both of us the time and trouble. Unless of course you can back up your statements a little better than "from my experience", such as specific codes in the game, or cited sources from Blizzard?

Thats right. The item base of the entire economy is restricted upon what each and every player obtain from monster drops. When you buy items from a site, it is just redistributing these items among the players in the game. While it redistributes them in an unbalanced fashion, it isn't actually adding any to the economy so basically all that happens is the rich become richer etc.
What does bring down the economy though is the use of automated programs that can MF run 24/7.

Ahh ok thanks. That's a better system than what I feared this idea was about

But really, even though my dial-up and pentium II computer back in the days of D2 was inadequate to ever catch a unique in a full game (and yes this would piss me off to the point that I wouldnt even try), I always felt that was an essential part of such a game.

However, other than that, you wont hear me complaining about implementing this system :cool:

Wait! I'm still not understanding how this works exactly!
Does the loot from each monster drop and replicate itself for every character on the party/game to pick up individually, or is the loot randomized to only appear on a certain player's screen?

Quote from "tkrow21" »

I know it angers you, but there's nothing really wrong with it and I'm sure Blizzard won't stop this; even if they could.

You see, it all boils down to this: You can't stop a kid buying items from another kid in real life, so why would you stop it from happening online? Same thing with piracy, you can't stop a kid lending a game to another kid.

It's difficult to stop drug dealers distributing marijuana in the back alleys at midnight, so why not just accept it and let them set up shop on the net (possibly even advertise their products on google?).

Basically, the tighter Blizz pulls the rope on this, the harder it would be to make transactions and thus there will be way less activity on the subject.
The little kid couldn't be stopped from using their lunch money to buy it from a fellow little mate, but this little kid won't have the variety or stock that the entire net can provide. Transactions would be limited as a result.

I still think Blizz hasn't tried putting a stop to this because, realistically, they are a company and making the most for the business is their ultimate goal. They're willing to sacrifice the enjoyment of a few people, to have many more continue to play the game.

Quote from "tkrow21" »

What's the problem with third parties anyway?

The people are working real jobs to get the money whereas you are working by playing the game. In fact, don't you think your way is more fun?

Are you kidding me? Maybe playing a game is more stress-relieving, but I can assure you each hour you spend MF grinding is always going to come in second best vs. the items you could buy from each hour working a job - which, I think could often be more interesting as it provides variety (don't hold me against it), while grinding is basically the same repetitive task over and over.

If it were legal/ethical, rather than going out and perfecting my MF gear to increase productivity, I would definitely start working on making cash to buy items online.

As genesis has said, auto programs also ruin this game.

Actually, after reading some responses in here, I've changed my views on MF.

If MF is to be removed, then there wont be any reason to wear pathetically weak armours and weapons. Hence, it is still possible to grind bosses with the ultimate goal of hopefully MFing, but at the same time, you would have proper gear and can take on the tougher creatures, and leveling more effectively in the end as well.
Also, since MF gear was always so weak that only the long-range characters, and preferably spell casters were used for MFing. i.e. the sorceress (not counting the MF chars with merc as primary killer). Without MF gear we wouldn't have this problem of a spammed server with sorc mfers.

If Blizz takes out MF, players will still be grinding bosses for their loot either way. Many love to perfect their characters even if it involves doing it in a boring manner. You can't take it away, but only encourage those that do, to increase their productivity through MF.

I agree with you. MFing is a sickness. A sickness we couldn't fathom being cured

Seriously, us MFers just love to perfect our characters, which yes, are barely ever used lol.

Quote from "akse" »

Then you know very little.

And relieved I am!

Yes, I agree with you, it would be ridiculous to make D3 P2P when starcraft isn't. Thanks, my fears have been cleared.

Quote from "akse" »

I don't have to create another character to do some stupid runs to boss x and y.

Sure thats all fine, but once you hit hell Baal you find that to level is just running those over and over again. So basically there are levelling runs, and just to shake off the repetitive boredom of that, many of us would go do MF runs.

Now I know that is very repetitive too, but really because it is for another cause (items rather than levels), it puts us in another mind-set and gives us a bit of a breather.

For the weaker characters that still have dungeons to explore, acts to progress through etc. it would be ridiculous to consider MF running. The usual - use the good items that you happen to accidentally find along the way - routine is perfectly accepetable.

Quote from "Turmobil" »

And guess what, Magic Finding is grinding.

I wish there was some way to actually descrive the hate and disguist I feel when talking about grinding.

Does this mean to say you never MF'ed in D2?
Working in real life isn't always fun, but the reward of cash keeps us coming back Same goes for MF.

Quote from "Umpa65" »

Then this raises further questions. Do these third parties attribute to the revenue and popularity of these games?

Popularity? Depends who you are and if you play fairly or unfairly.
Revenue? Definitely yes.