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    posted a message on Monk not good enough now?
    Quote from "Jetrall" »
    No. I would be... one of the admins on this forum. So you want to try showing me a little respect?

    Btw, enjoy your infraction point for the arguing. Next time gets you a short ban.


    Ok this will probably be worth a ban but - get that stick out of your behind.

    So we're arguing - so what? Show me the forum rule which says ARGUING is not allowed?

    This is an almost civil discussion (a few exceptions occured, but we worked that out) - but not one full of flaming and cursing. We have different opinions and we try to show each other the error of the others ways.

    And showing you a little respect? That's more than you deserve as far as I see.
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    posted a message on Monk not good enough now?
    Quote from "Jetrall" »
    You two stop arguiing right now or you'll both regret it. This is a warning.


    And you are... the... warner brother?
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    posted a message on Monk not good enough now?
    Quote from "Kanastag" »
    No. It's not. There is no scientific way to compare one advantage to the other.


    Oh yeah, and you running a simulation is as scientific as it gets, right?
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    posted a message on Monk not good enough now?
    Quote from "Kanastag" »
    This is over. If you aren't actually going to discuss this with me. I'm done arguing with someone who won't do anything but discredit the ONLY WAY WE HAVE TO COMPARE THESE TWO. You can only compare these two by running a simulation through your head. Unless you have invented a time machine. But I doubt it.


    What?

    The only way to compare two completely different fighters is to run a simulation through your head?

    Wow... ok.

    Obviously discussing advantages and disatvantages is not a viable way of comparison.
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    posted a message on Monk not good enough now?
    Quote from "Kanastag" »
    I know they thought that. But present your ARGUEMENT AGAINST ME NOW instead of just presenting a Straw Man arguement.


    And are you offended by that? If so... I'm sorry.

    You know I like you right?

    Just that your arguments aren't really arguments.

    They're scenarios you run through your head.
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    posted a message on Monk not good enough now?
    Quote from "Kanastag" »
    It's like talking to a wall... A wall that has a smaller wall in front of it.

    Monks were awesome, yes. I have NEVER said the ACTUAL monks could, in fact, catch an axe out of the air. And yes, they WOULD break a sweat. I'm not saying they were immortal, jeez. The axe catching thing was just me exagerating.

    Okay, incredible pain tolerance. I'm slicing a spartan's arm open. He isn't phased. Wow! I stab him in the throat. He keeps a straight face! It all makes sense now! Spartans were Hercules incarnate!


    Actually they believed they were the bloodline of Hercules. Just so you know.

    And also so you know - this all running one sided battles in your head really doesn't do anything to your arguments.

    If I am like talking to a wall, you are like talking to a... a... a monk fanboy.

    Now think for a moment - which one is worse?
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    posted a message on Monk not good enough now?
    Quote from "Kanastag" »
    Why? Because everyone knows Spartans were gods and were impervious to pain. Even if you spend your whole life training, having your arm sliced open is gonna hurt, and you're PROBABLY going to drop whatever you're holding. Even as a freaking knee jerk reaction. Give REASONS to support your statement.



    So wait a second - when you say that monks were the greatest warriors of the history, could catch knives and axes in mid air, kick everybodies ass without even breaking a sweat and are invincible it is allright.

    When I claim (and it is written that spartans had incredible pain tolerance) that your little claims of how a fight would happen in YOUR mind are illogical I'm wrong.

    Great.

    And trust me - spartan knee jerk reaction was not to drop something, but to stab something.

    Think about that for a bit, come up with better arguments, come back and write something ;)

    I love seeing your posts :)
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    posted a message on Monk not good enough now?
    Quote from "Kanastag" »

    The spartan, out of pain, drops his shield


    This, right here, means you have no idea what you are talking about.
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    posted a message on Monk not good enough now?
    Quote from "italofoca" »
    Imo the fight analysis are pretty simple - the best warrior are the ones that methods that everyone feared and tryed to use (because it was the best strategy).
    The armorless choice and staff are just a matter of tradition, culture, not combat efficiency. Did you ever see a army of unarmored soldiers using staffs or any other monk weapon ?
    Monks train matial arts not to become the best figthers or to creat a mighty arm that can defeat anything. Matial arts are used to self defence, self perfection and discipline. In other words, monks did not learn combat to know how to defeat a enemy, they train it to as a way of self improvement or something. If their were focusing on defeat a enemy they would surely use more bladed weapons, get some armor and start raid other peoples to test their combat power.

    Really, a monk would be slaugthered in seconds by a Spartan.

    Finally - a sensible person on this thread
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    posted a message on Monk not good enough now?
    Quote from "Kanastag" »
    What constitutes a true fighter? Someone who's actually fought? I know brute force helps, but brute force is in no way a match for a great intellect. But you're really starting to sound like the Hate Mailers on the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster website. Not the really really really cursy ones, the ones who seem to have a wall of stupidity surrounding their head, preventing any logical thought that skews from their opinions to get through.

    And there you go. The Spartans are gone because they are so unbending. Their army got smaller and smaller and they eventually lost. The Monks are still here. They are more flexible and adapted to the times. Yes I disagree with their way of life. Yes I called them not the most intelligent. You know why? They are GONE. The strong and smart survive. If they were smart they'd still be alive.

    I'm not claiming my opinion to be fact. I'm presenting my opinion in a way suggesting it to be more plausible than yours and trying to convince you that I am right. And I know a lot of the story of both.

    I also think the word "certain" has escaped your vocabulary. A monk would win in a CERTAIN fight, just like a Spartan would win in a CERTAIN fight. And there is such a thing as a certain victory. It's called, "machine gun vs rock." Unless the guy with the machine gun is an idiot. Like REALLY stupid. I'm talking Teen Miss South Carolina stupid. (buh-zing) I do not overrate them. I just find them to be more superior in more aspects when you compare them to other warriors from history. Overall, I think they're the best. If you wanted to get down into the nitty gritty, there are probably plenty better in certain aspects.


    I'd like to see you use "great intellect" in a fist fight. Really. I would.

    And you can't say that because the spartan culture is gone they are worse fighters than the monks. Well... actually you DO say that, but that's just stupid.

    Not suprisingly though.

    You can't even decide if you wish to compare a 1 on 1 fight or a cultural preference.

    Make up your mind will you?
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    posted a message on Monk not good enough now?
    Quote from "Kanastag" »



    I know the Spartans are awesome, I'm with you there, but not the best warriors in history. That's why the Monk's lifestyle is still around today, and the Spartan's isn't. *raises eyebrow* If they were so awesome, why aren't we still like them? There are plenty of Monks still out there today.


    The Spartans (and I mean no offense) were NOT the smartest bunch out there. I'm not trying to be insulting but the Athenians were smarter, and you know it. That being said, a great strategic mind is what can change the tide of a battle. The Shaolin Monks train both their minds and their bodies. Meaning that they will undoubtedly be far more intelligent than your average warrior.

    Brute force doesn't win battles, it sure as hell can help if directed in the correct way, but in a fight between a Barbarian and a Monk with a Bo staff, the Monk would beat the crap out of the Barbarian, because the Barb has very little armor on.



    Man... you compare two historical figures and claim your opinions as facts when you don't know even half the story about either.

    Why are the spartans gone? Not because they were not good fighters, trust me. They are gone because their society was too unbending and did not change itself to a LESS warrior code of conduct.

    For example - you could only be born a "true" spartan if your parents are true spartans. One can not gain the level of a spartan by deeds or buy it with money. However one can loose the status of a "spartan" by failing to pay the taxes or commiting a crime.

    That created a shortage of spartans, and only true spartans could serve in the spartan army.


    When you say they were not the smartest people - well, I could say the same about you. We'd still be both guessing - you only say that cause you disagree with their way of life (they for example viewed it perfectly natural to weed out the weaker members of their race), and I'd only be saying that cause I disagree with your way of thinking.



    And about you saying that brute force doesn't win battles - that is true. But trust me... it really really really really helps. You claiming for sure that a monk would win in a certain fight is really dumb.

    Any fighter (a true fighter) will tell you there is no such thing as a certain victory.

    You overrate the monks... really, you do.
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    posted a message on Monk not good enough now?
    Quote from "Jonty30" »
    No.

    The damn Celts won the day. :D


    Hush thine heretic mouth!

    All hail the barbarian! Leader of men, wooer of women, slayer of demons and teller of tales (I dare you not to listen... or even worse... tell him his jokes a'nt funny).

    Forth he shall come and smite and smash and pounce and bash, and all the kings horses and all the kings men, shall not be able to put the monk back together again.

    (Have you ever seen a horse try to put something back together? No wonder they failed with hupmty dumpty...)
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    posted a message on Monk not good enough now?
    Quote from "Jonty30" »
    I'm blind! I'm blind!


    My work here is done, the barbarian is victorious! :)
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    posted a message on Monk not good enough now?
    Quote from "Jonty30" »
    And when the Barbarian raises his axe for a killing blow, he's vulnerable to a gut or side shot.

    If he's wearing armour, he's only that much slower. :D


    I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about a fight, not a marathon.

    Obviously armor is a bad idea in a fight, what sort of a fighter would wear armor anyhow? Ridiculous!

    Now ancient celts had the right idea, charging in naked waving their privates around in battle.

    Just imagine their quickness... can blow your mind.
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    posted a message on Monk not good enough now?
    Quote from "Jonty30" »
    Trust me, in skilled hands, a bo staff is very much like a lasso. You can tie up somebody's legs with a bo.

    It wouldn't keep them down, no entanglements can because their only meant to delay to allow either escape or another move while the opponent is distracted.


    You know what you do when you aim with a bo staff to someones legs? You lower your defenses (I fight with bo staves alot).

    Now... shall we discuss about how big a barbarians axe is?
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