That's pushing it... I still think that Diablo is better.
By far, (and far, I mean China far) The Butcher is THE most badass, ruthless bastard of a monster Blizzard ever blessed us with. I think it was a combination of, story buildup, fluff, dark settings, kick ass punch line, decapitated bodies and a boss that wouldl run after you ala leatherface with a knife the size of a small man.
I have played many games since my childhood, and never have I had such a profound memory of a particular boss/moment. The only thing that could even come close comparisonwise to the feeling of opening the Door to the Butcher was the first time I ever played Unreal. (Not the Tournament Version). I played the demo for months before the release of D1 and I was always avoiding the dreaded room, cause I knew that if I heard "Aaah, Fresh Meat!", that meant my ass.
It's something that was never replicated in any RPG. And if Blizzard manages to design bosses in D3 that can even come half way to what D1 Butcher was, I'll be thankfull.
And don't you dare get me involved in this, it's not my beef. If I was trolling, you'd be able to build a shed with all the bricks you'd shit.
Now end it.
Man, seriously I almost choked on my kool aid when I read ur funny ass post. ....Beef, Shit bricks...Whu? Build a house, lol You on some good stuff buddy.
But anyways, no one is involving you, if you don't want to be part of something then don't join in or don't post it's simple, right? :thumbsup:
But I do agree with you 100%. End it. Take your own advice.
To Paladin88, honestly I don't have any more time to waste and even if I did there's nothing in your post worth quoting. Just a bunch of off topic babbling and nonsensical bs that you actually had to spend half your day thinking up of. On that note, have a good one mate. Oh and no hard feelings, yeah.:confused:
Back to topic...
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
read the sin war trilogy. 'nuff said.
Ah, a simple answer would of sufficed but I'll do with. Thanks Krypto, At least now I know where to look. :cool:
I do hope they put belial in in a good way not just a kil you yay hes dead easy kind of way.
See that's exactly what I was talking about in my last post. That's the kind of boss we used to have in previous Diablo games and most other games for that matter. I want some God of War beatdown action on bosses. And hopefully some good AI to complement them.
wizard too harrypotterish if u ask me
Although it might sound to some people, keep in mind Tolkien had used the term long before and made it sound cool. So I don't think it's really that big of a deal.
*Sigh* This is going to be a long ass post. So bare with me.
My initial reation to this thread: "Good news, seems like they are really going at every aspect of the game, but I'm sure as hell that a bunch of immature people who make a living out of jumping to conclusions and critisizing will load the thread with retarded ass comments."
So I then took the liberty of writing a post that explained in greater detail why this didn't affect the customizability of the game whatsoever. And as always, the less then pleasant hate mongers didn't even stop to read it, or to try to understand what the thread implied.
The only thing that got through their thick skulls and rather empty heads was "HOLY SHIT THEY ARE REMOVING SOMETHING!, THIS IS BAD! Let's spam retarded nonsense to protest"
Here is some of the retarded nonsensical shit that they spew out in a matter of minutes, and that I will gladly refute for them.
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Majpain
Very Lame if you ask me.
Its almost their trying to force you to play as a pure caster but bringing in skill runes to diversify things but the only thing is its going to create is there will be 1 rune that goes with a skill that is OP and every build will use it.
Blizzard needs to change their way of thinking.
It's almost like your trying to pretend that you read the full explanation by Bashiok saying that the caster will be able to weild a ssword n shield, just not a 2 handed 200 pound maul or battle axe. So no, your comment has absolutely no meaning.
There might be spells that eventually down the line will be stronger than others in certain situations, but that's just normal, name me a game that doesn't have a relatively near OP situation. 2, even if they did allow weapons like D2, some spells might still end up OP, or weapons, so it has absolutely nothing to do with the subject, your just crying over nothing once again and making up excuses to do it.
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Darkligen
absolutly agree with this. My strongest diablo 2 character was a necromancer and oddly enough his weapon was a maul. i just never thought that the class weapons had enough stat boosters to compensate for their weakness.
The only way that i think that the extra focus on the new rune skill would be as good and probably better than the weapon thing would be if there was as much diversity in the runes as there are in weapons...doubt it but im keeping my fingers cross.
I absolutely love this post, haha
1, this is what i had posted even before darligen came on, that in D2, the only time you saw someone using a necro wielding a maul was because he needed the stat boost for his specific build. It had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that it's a maul. Only stats.
And second, with all the OP and OMFG builds that came up on D2, it's histerical to see this guy pretend his build was any good. I mean cmon, what was it, a summoner? a bone spell spammer? Whatever it was, I'm sure as fuck that you never killed nothing maybe apart from a Normal difficulty act 1 fallen with the maul itself. It was all about the skills, which is what Blizz is improving.
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SFJake
All I'm saying is, Bashiok doesn't deserve any credit for his comment. Sweet, he's talking to the community, but his text is there for nothing. A few lines would be saying the same thing.
Lol, I love this guy, I even got a couple of his quotes....:D
Yeah your absolutely right SFJake, that's why u come on here every day praying that Bashiok gives us news worth talking about. He really should listen to you, I mean even with his very detailed explanation on this subject he managed to lose you after the Title Line, It must be his poor communication skills......
Its no way as excessive as he says it is, unless their engine is so badly designed. According to him, it would mean even CUTTING some other features out. This sounds pretty ridiculous to me. I do understand that it takes -works- and all that, but he's pushing it.
If I didn't know better, I would say that you actually knew a tid bit about game designing, seeing as you don't, at that's about as obvious as f*ck, then why don't you try and make a gaming engine for them that's up to your standars...
And honestly, alot of things might sound rediculous to you SFJake, but let me tell you what's rediculous to me (apart from your ramblings). Waiting even longer than I already have for D3 just because they need to implement thousands of different 3D modeling so that your retarded ass WtichDoctor can swing a Giant Battle Axe just so you'll feel better.
Get the point?
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scyberdragon
The comment that "it is too time constraining when they could be spending that time on more important things like skill rune effects" only reiterates my fear that fear that weapons are loosing their significance.
I don't want to do the whole WoW vs Diablo converation but...
In WoW your weapon was more for stats to boost your spells more than the weapons itself. You would almost never auto attack it was spell after spell after spell.
In D2 your auto attack was still viable and necessary meaning your actual weapon was still necessary for more than its stats. I am afraid weapons will just become stat boosters like an amulet or helm. IMO in a DPS game weapons need to take main stage over spells. Spells should supplement your attacks not replace them as I am afraid they are doing.
Please dont get rid of "auto attack" hack/slash means weapons with spells not spells instead of weapons.
I do admit this post made one or two valid issues that could be a source of discussion...
But still, you are totally off basis if u think that weapons ever mattered for casters when they didn't. Caster only ever cared about 2 things ; + to skill and cast rate. (and some other spell damage booster) The only chars that ever worried about damage were obviously non casters (barbs, pally zonz, etc.) But then again your point is invalid because you never saw a barb wielding anything but weapons that will still be able to use in D3. Don't try to tell me that a barb would need the attack power of a fucking staff or crossbow. Or that your sorceress ever fucking used a thunder maul to hit something... Weapons still will have the exact same role, which is to offensive chars , provide damage and some stats, and to casters, provide stats. Period.
Don't "OMG my barb can't use his crossbow, weapons must not mean shit anymore".
Please.
scyberdragon
am not talking necessarily about damage. I guess I mean more of the sort that your relied on your auto attack in D2 for a lot of your damage where in WoW even the Warrior spammed his spells. Faster attack speed and damage are just more stats. I know this sounds contradictory but I am having a hard time getting my point across. It is just that auto attack and simplicity was a part of D2 and your weapon mattered. You could beat the game on normal without even putting a single point into a spell. Maybe thats a broken/bad feature but it made Diablo, Diablo.
I have a lvl 70 enhance shammy ( I stopped playing soon after WotLK). So I do understand a weapons importance. it is just that in WoW I worried more about getting a new spell than a new weapon. where as in Diablo I focused more on getting a new weapon than spells. Maybe it is just me. I just feel that weapons>spells in diablo (excluding hammerdins) where in WoW spells>weapons. Of course to casters it usually was just a stat booster but even with my sorc I was more excited about getting a better staff than finally being able to cast blizzard (is that wierd?). Maybe because the spells were set but the itme drops were randomized. Maybe in my own head it has nothing to do with game play and significance as much as I was happier to luckily get this better item that I might not have otherwise.IMO I don't want to get the most excited about a rune drop compared to a weapon. I don't want to be "ALRIGHT!! another multi-strike rune.. ohh and a better mace." I want "ALRIGHT!!! a better mace and look a rune I can use."
First off, WTF is this auto attack shit your talking about???:confused:
There is a swing action (attack) and a skill, then a spell. Stop with the nonsense.
Second, what you just said is contradictory, your abolutely right on that. Third, it doesn't matter what you used to beat the game on normal since it's not what kept people playing for 9 years. People didn't play Single Player for more then a few months at best.
The magic of Diablo was item find, Dueling, trading, and leveling to 99. Nothing to do with this subject. And if you actually stop and listen to yourself, "im more excisted in finding the staff of my sorc then the spell". Why do you think you needed that staff? uhhh skills and stats..... And why are you even talking about staffs ans sorcs since casters will still be able to use them..... Maybe if u said, I was more excited about my sorc finding her new battle Axe, then it would of been to the point, and you would of actually had a reason to be worried cause they wont be able to wield them anymore. but no.
Basically what your saying is you like Magic FInding..ok good for you, I do too. Let's move on to the actual thread ok.
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Musica
I think I'm going to miss "anything goes" weapon customization on characters. I know that most people don't play these types because they aren't really competive character builds but I remember when I first got Diablo 2 and my brother decided to play too.
He made a Paladin and would alternate between using a sword and bow/crossbow. It actually worked quite well for the time he used it although he got bored of the game by Act 3 Normal and quit. Anyways, I always thought what he did was sort of nifty and I'll be sad to see it gone. It was a pretty impractical feature I guess but it was still pretty fun. And not to mention, it also helped make the game just a little more immersive
Here we go, someone who actually has a reason to complain. He is one of the many who liked the lolz factor from the wierd ass and near useless off builds. Your bro had a good reason for quitting, if you made me go through D2 with a pally holding a crossbow, I would of quit much sooner than him. I give him props for even lasting that long. Im sure however, no, not sure, fucking positive that if he ever tried going further, would of eventually got to the point where he realized he couldnt kill shit anymore, and would of restarted a new char with proper build and weaponry. So is that why people are complaining, wanting blizzard to enable this useless shit to amuse people until act 3? I'de rather they give us another cow level instead of this useless nonsense, cmon guys....
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Majpain
I'm just not a fan of Restrictions like that.
I feel your pain brother, it's such a heartbreaking loss for all Diablo fans. Let's mourn together.
Last but not least, the funniest of all dumb ass posts of this thread.
Quote from "LordRayken" »
Oh heres a good fucking idea, Blizzard.
How about spend your time DEVELOPING EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of the game anyone could ever want, rather than going...
"LOLZ WE'RE LAZY SO IF WE DEVELOP CLASSES USING EVERY WEAPON IT'D CUT INTO OTHER FEATURES."
MAN!! what an amazing IDEA! why didn't I think of that before, make everything perfect for EVERYONE!!!! Sure, after your sorry ass complaints it's inevitable that people will be coming on wanting Blizzard to change the characters for Homosexual Players, so that they can choose to wear pink Bras on their Barbarians, and not just on their sorceresses.
I mean according to LordRayken, Blizzard can DO ANYTHING!!!! Don't believe me, look at this
Quote from "LordRayken" »
Dont you have the resources to do WHATEVER you want and take as long as you want?
haha, classic.
Quote from "LordRayken" »
All I can see is a Diablo 3 less like the previous Diablo's and more like World of Warcraft and Activision. This is complete crap.
Your right, this is complete crap. You should just stop coming here since it's such a letdown, you'de save the website some bandwith. Do us a favor.
Quote from "LordRayken" »
Edit:
Bashiok's conversation translated -
"We're taking out more stuff in Diablo 3 that made Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 great."
Wow, that's some amazing translation. You must be over qualified for this kind of work....
However your point of view is very good for your budget. Seeing as D1 and D2 was so great and D3 will suck so much. You can just go out RIGHT now and go reinstall both games a start playing. Look on the bright side, you won't even have to wait so long like the rest of us.
there is no 'credible argument' to be made. you see slight aesthetic changes as falling for "Cheap Entertainment". this very notion is completely insane and i cannot persuade, convince, or by any other means coerce how you feel. you are simply locked inside yourself unable to see what i see and i find it extremely frustrating and so i did not bother to even try as i have come across many people like you on the internet and i know from experience that the very attempt would be a futile one.
now no doubt you will go on another rant similar to the one above insulting me and threatening me as you already have.. especially when you said this
and to cite a quote for this occasion. "To attempt an understanding of Maud'Dib without true understanding, is to attempt seeing Truth without knowing Falsehood. It is the attempt to see the Light without knowing Darkness. It cannot be."
Look, I see aesthetic changes, you see purpose. I see cheap entertainment, you see causality. That's all good, everyone has their opinion. I have never criticized you personally for not thinking this way as a matter of fact the only reason I felt the need to explain in depth with the quote you so eloquently used was to answer the question you had made about my statement. If you didn't want to know the answer why did you ask?
On another note, I have never insulted you, used profanity or threatened you in any way. As a matter of fact you can look on any thread, because that is a level I would not stoop to. If I had I would of been deleted as spam/flaming/trolling.
I apologize if my opinion seems offensive to you, and give you my most sincere assurance that it was in no way meant to insult your person.
Now if we may continue with the subject at hand without this childishness.
Man, I'm betting that the Moderators on this thread are like banging their heads on their keyboards when they see some of you guys (I don't even have to name them cause they know who they are) come and post the 10 best "quotes" and 6-8 out of 10 are your own questions. I mean posting 1 would be acceptable and clearly understandable. This thread is definately the epitome of vanity. Guys, if you repost your own question then what's the point of voting when your voting for yourself....The Mods get it that you want YOUR OWN question to be asked, if you didn't then why would you have posted the qustions initially? If your questions were truly pertinent then others would have chosen it without having to "push for it" yourself. Sad
Props to all of you who were humble enough to encourage others before yourself and really showing that you do support the D3 community instead of acting selfishly.
Sorry about the off topic post, but man, it's almost depressing when you really see how people are. I really had to express my disapointment in some folks out here for their lack of maturity on this thread. Hopefully the mods can understand the situation and not delete this message as off topic spam. If they do then I hope they have the decency to talk about the problem themselves instead of ignoring it.
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By far, (and far, I mean China far) The Butcher is THE most badass, ruthless bastard of a monster Blizzard ever blessed us with. I think it was a combination of, story buildup, fluff, dark settings, kick ass punch line, decapitated bodies and a boss that wouldl run after you ala leatherface with a knife the size of a small man.
I have played many games since my childhood, and never have I had such a profound memory of a particular boss/moment. The only thing that could even come close comparisonwise to the feeling of opening the Door to the Butcher was the first time I ever played Unreal. (Not the Tournament Version). I played the demo for months before the release of D1 and I was always avoiding the dreaded room, cause I knew that if I heard "Aaah, Fresh Meat!", that meant my ass.
It's something that was never replicated in any RPG. And if Blizzard manages to design bosses in D3 that can even come half way to what D1 Butcher was, I'll be thankfull.
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Man, seriously I almost choked on my kool aid when I read ur funny ass post. ....Beef, Shit bricks...Whu? Build a house, lol You on some good stuff buddy.
But anyways, no one is involving you, if you don't want to be part of something then don't join in or don't post it's simple, right? :thumbsup:
But I do agree with you 100%. End it. Take your own advice.
To Paladin88, honestly I don't have any more time to waste and even if I did there's nothing in your post worth quoting. Just a bunch of off topic babbling and nonsensical bs that you actually had to spend half your day thinking up of. On that note, have a good one mate. Oh and no hard feelings, yeah.:confused:
Back to topic...
Ah, a simple answer would of sufficed but I'll do with. Thanks Krypto, At least now I know where to look. :cool:
See that's exactly what I was talking about in my last post. That's the kind of boss we used to have in previous Diablo games and most other games for that matter. I want some God of War beatdown action on bosses. And hopefully some good AI to complement them.
Although it might sound to some people, keep in mind Tolkien had used the term long before and made it sound cool. So I don't think it's really that big of a deal.
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My initial reation to this thread: "Good news, seems like they are really going at every aspect of the game, but I'm sure as hell that a bunch of immature people who make a living out of jumping to conclusions and critisizing will load the thread with retarded ass comments."
So I then took the liberty of writing a post that explained in greater detail why this didn't affect the customizability of the game whatsoever. And as always, the less then pleasant hate mongers didn't even stop to read it, or to try to understand what the thread implied.
The only thing that got through their thick skulls and rather empty heads was "HOLY SHIT THEY ARE REMOVING SOMETHING!, THIS IS BAD! Let's spam retarded nonsense to protest"
Here is some of the retarded nonsensical shit that they spew out in a matter of minutes, and that I will gladly refute for them.
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Majpain
It's almost like your trying to pretend that you read the full explanation by Bashiok saying that the caster will be able to weild a ssword n shield, just not a 2 handed 200 pound maul or battle axe. So no, your comment has absolutely no meaning.
There might be spells that eventually down the line will be stronger than others in certain situations, but that's just normal, name me a game that doesn't have a relatively near OP situation. 2, even if they did allow weapons like D2, some spells might still end up OP, or weapons, so it has absolutely nothing to do with the subject, your just crying over nothing once again and making up excuses to do it.
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Darkligen
I absolutely love this post, haha
1, this is what i had posted even before darligen came on, that in D2, the only time you saw someone using a necro wielding a maul was because he needed the stat boost for his specific build. It had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that it's a maul. Only stats.
And second, with all the OP and OMFG builds that came up on D2, it's histerical to see this guy pretend his build was any good. I mean cmon, what was it, a summoner? a bone spell spammer? Whatever it was, I'm sure as fuck that you never killed nothing maybe apart from a Normal difficulty act 1 fallen with the maul itself. It was all about the skills, which is what Blizz is improving.
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SFJake
Lol, I love this guy, I even got a couple of his quotes....:D
Yeah your absolutely right SFJake, that's why u come on here every day praying that Bashiok gives us news worth talking about. He really should listen to you, I mean even with his very detailed explanation on this subject he managed to lose you after the Title Line, It must be his poor communication skills......
If I didn't know better, I would say that you actually knew a tid bit about game designing, seeing as you don't, at that's about as obvious as f*ck, then why don't you try and make a gaming engine for them that's up to your standars...
And honestly, alot of things might sound rediculous to you SFJake, but let me tell you what's rediculous to me (apart from your ramblings). Waiting even longer than I already have for D3 just because they need to implement thousands of different 3D modeling so that your retarded ass WtichDoctor can swing a Giant Battle Axe just so you'll feel better.
Get the point?
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scyberdragon
I do admit this post made one or two valid issues that could be a source of discussion...
But still, you are totally off basis if u think that weapons ever mattered for casters when they didn't. Caster only ever cared about 2 things ; + to skill and cast rate. (and some other spell damage booster) The only chars that ever worried about damage were obviously non casters (barbs, pally zonz, etc.) But then again your point is invalid because you never saw a barb wielding anything but weapons that will still be able to use in D3. Don't try to tell me that a barb would need the attack power of a fucking staff or crossbow. Or that your sorceress ever fucking used a thunder maul to hit something... Weapons still will have the exact same role, which is to offensive chars , provide damage and some stats, and to casters, provide stats. Period.
Don't "OMG my barb can't use his crossbow, weapons must not mean shit anymore".
Please.
scyberdragon
First off, WTF is this auto attack shit your talking about???:confused:
There is a swing action (attack) and a skill, then a spell. Stop with the nonsense.
Second, what you just said is contradictory, your abolutely right on that. Third, it doesn't matter what you used to beat the game on normal since it's not what kept people playing for 9 years. People didn't play Single Player for more then a few months at best.
The magic of Diablo was item find, Dueling, trading, and leveling to 99. Nothing to do with this subject. And if you actually stop and listen to yourself, "im more excisted in finding the staff of my sorc then the spell". Why do you think you needed that staff? uhhh skills and stats..... And why are you even talking about staffs ans sorcs since casters will still be able to use them..... Maybe if u said, I was more excited about my sorc finding her new battle Axe, then it would of been to the point, and you would of actually had a reason to be worried cause they wont be able to wield them anymore. but no.
Basically what your saying is you like Magic FInding..ok good for you, I do too. Let's move on to the actual thread ok.
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Musica
Here we go, someone who actually has a reason to complain. He is one of the many who liked the lolz factor from the wierd ass and near useless off builds. Your bro had a good reason for quitting, if you made me go through D2 with a pally holding a crossbow, I would of quit much sooner than him. I give him props for even lasting that long. Im sure however, no, not sure, fucking positive that if he ever tried going further, would of eventually got to the point where he realized he couldnt kill shit anymore, and would of restarted a new char with proper build and weaponry. So is that why people are complaining, wanting blizzard to enable this useless shit to amuse people until act 3? I'de rather they give us another cow level instead of this useless nonsense, cmon guys....
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Majpain
I feel your pain brother, it's such a heartbreaking loss for all Diablo fans. Let's mourn together.
Last but not least, the funniest of all dumb ass posts of this thread.
MAN!! what an amazing IDEA! why didn't I think of that before, make everything perfect for EVERYONE!!!! Sure, after your sorry ass complaints it's inevitable that people will be coming on wanting Blizzard to change the characters for Homosexual Players, so that they can choose to wear pink Bras on their Barbarians, and not just on their sorceresses.
I mean according to LordRayken, Blizzard can DO ANYTHING!!!! Don't believe me, look at this
haha, classic.
Your right, this is complete crap. You should just stop coming here since it's such a letdown, you'de save the website some bandwith. Do us a favor.
Wow, that's some amazing translation. You must be over qualified for this kind of work....
However your point of view is very good for your budget. Seeing as D1 and D2 was so great and D3 will suck so much. You can just go out RIGHT now and go reinstall both games a start playing. Look on the bright side, you won't even have to wait so long like the rest of us.
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Look, I see aesthetic changes, you see purpose. I see cheap entertainment, you see causality. That's all good, everyone has their opinion. I have never criticized you personally for not thinking this way as a matter of fact the only reason I felt the need to explain in depth with the quote you so eloquently used was to answer the question you had made about my statement. If you didn't want to know the answer why did you ask?
On another note, I have never insulted you, used profanity or threatened you in any way. As a matter of fact you can look on any thread, because that is a level I would not stoop to. If I had I would of been deleted as spam/flaming/trolling.
I apologize if my opinion seems offensive to you, and give you my most sincere assurance that it was in no way meant to insult your person.
Now if we may continue with the subject at hand without this childishness.
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Props to all of you who were humble enough to encourage others before yourself and really showing that you do support the D3 community instead of acting selfishly.
Sorry about the off topic post, but man, it's almost depressing when you really see how people are. I really had to express my disapointment in some folks out here for their lack of maturity on this thread. Hopefully the mods can understand the situation and not delete this message as off topic spam. If they do then I hope they have the decency to talk about the problem themselves instead of ignoring it.