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    posted a message on scripted fights and carebears?
    A**Holes are in every aspect of every game.
    It's inevitable. The PvM, PvP'ers are both as
    valid as the next. Pk'ers are from the past,
    when Diablo1/2 allowed such actions to be done.

    I don't really mind those guys, neither should
    any of you since they don't ruin the game.
    (specially now that the feature was removed)
    On the other hand, hackers/cheaters are the real
    issue that should be on everyone's mind.

    Playing in a hackfree environment is something most
    take for granted and few appreciate when they see it.
    I've been playing D3 BETA for 2 days now and let me tell
    you it feels just great to be in a hackfree game. Lets just
    stop bothering Blizz over trivial stuff and really pressure
    them on creating adequate protection from these people who seek
    to ruin the game we waited 10+ years to play.
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    posted a message on The Auction House Explained
    Quote from isobar

    The first thing that comes to my mind, is if you can sell items for ecurrency, or money, but can't convert ecurrency into money is what is to stop people from setting up multiple accounts, one of them stocking up ecurrency, and then buying their own items on the other account with it set up to be cash instead of ecurrency?

    Seems like a pretty easy way to get your eccurency out of into your bank account.
    Who said you cant convert. They said players WILL BE ABLE to sell their currency (gold) in RMAH. But the money they put into their Blizzard Purchase Account is non refundable. Only can beused to buy Blizzard products or ingame items.
    So if you do stock up gold on your char you can still sell it for real money.

    I strongly suggest you guys re-read the Official QnA from Blizzard on the home page
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    posted a message on The Auction House Explained
    Quote from McLachdanan

    First of all I've never said I hate Blizzard, secondly I can't quit D3 cause it's not here yet and most certainly I have told you why I've decided to not buy D3 and this is not a decision "until they change it to my way".
    They won't and I'm fine with that, this just won't be a game for me anymore.
    You can read my post again for the reasons and stop putting words into my mouth, thank you.

    Oh I do apologize for using the wrong term, I should of said. OH I SO DISAGREE WITH BLIZZARD THAT I WONT BUY THEIR GAME! instead. It sounds much more diplomatic. But since your so diplomatic yourself, why don't you wait until youve tried these so horrible changes yourself before burning it at the stake. Youve already waited 3 years for this game and it's the most anticipated game of the year. Not like it's not worth your little 60$ purchase. And even though they made an evil RMAH system you wont even be obliged to pay for it. Win Win situation for you.
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    posted a message on The Auction House Explained
    Quote from McLachdanan

    Just to make it clear: There have been quite a number of things announced I don't like and the RM AH was just the icing on the cake but all put together it's enough for me to say goodbye to D3.
    Your post would have been fine without the iconic " I HATE BLIZZARD OFREVER AND I QUIT D3" fit.

    Seriously does this argument even work, is it like the final weapon against Blizzard. The threat of quitting.
    Does it bring any good arguments to the table? I swear if I was a mod I'd delete every single I QUIT D3 post on the
    freaking forums. Not only are they mostly BS, but even if they werent, your posting that your quitting unless Blizzard changes this to fit your view? huh what?

    Maann if your successful, I might try it out too.Il have this argument where I push to have D3 given for free in the masses. Then I'll post that if it dont happen I'll quit D3. See if i get lucky too. Maybe they'll take me seriously ;)

    I left a year ago cuase the forums were filled with
    I hate this and I'm leaving Diablo3
    by alot of folks who stragely are still here today, lol a year later. Then on my first day, return to the forums I get another thread filled with I QUIT posts again. Time changes, but people dont.
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    posted a message on The Auction House Explained
    Quote from SFJake

    Quote from mattheo_majik

    That's just insulting to both the folks at Blizzard who put in hard work to designing things and the folks who are curious about it and want to see for themselves the value of this system.
    Its insulting to me that they think I would accept such a money grabbing move that -will- negatively impact pure gold users, and will transform a lot of the feel of this game into a job.

    Maybe some people are just worried about the impact on the game and its true that its impossible to know exactly how it'll turn out,

    Jake I'm sorry to say but your post is completely contradictory. You state the obvious truth that we cannot know the outcome of this complex system. But in the following sentence claim matter of factly -will- of a negative impact on the gold users without knowing in certainty the outcome once again. How are we supposed to take this with any seriousness?
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    posted a message on The Auction House Explained
    Quote from palathos

    So all of these predictions and applications of real world econ is a bit silly, since none of us are smart enough to predict how it will end up behaving in-game.

    Quote from palathos


    Bottom line, I say fight on for your own view no matter which side of the fence you are on. It is all we can do at this point, and it is the only way we can influence Blizzard to remove/keep/change the cash AH.

    I agree wholeheartedly. But only when you know and understand fully what you are debating about. In this case we don't, so as most people with reason have said already on this forum. Lets not condemn or overpraise this system until we know how it will end up working in real life. Lets just accept the fact that it is here and maybe give a few good constructive criticism about it withouth going "OH MY GOD IM NOT BUYING THIS GAME" "SO UNPURE!!!" That's just insulting to both the folks at Blizzard who put in hard work to designing things and the folks who are curious about it and want to see for themselves the value of this system.

    Many good people on these forums are excited that there are new grund breaking ideas beign developped for the game we all love instead of a total repeat/rince with better graphics. This AH system will do exactly what it says it will do or be changed. If it doesn't provide any adequate trading solutions without having to spend real money do you really beliieve that Blizzard won't go about fixing it... Cmon guys get real.
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    posted a message on The Auction House Explained
    Quote from Dolaiim

    Quote from mattheo_majik

    Goof Ball? Is that derogatory term or comical? Take this outside.....? What? Man I see why you can't understand
    even a simple system as this. Not only you get so heated in a virtual debate, I bet you must rage at home if you
    lose a PvP duel in this case. I'm starting to understand where your coming from, though no matter how I try to relate I can't seem too. heh

    You immediately have started personally attacking everyone on here of a dissenting opinion. This debate was much better until you unfortunately starting throwing your personally directed vitriol around. If you have anything else to say to me, please do it in PM so we can keep this discussion on track.

    If I had attacked anyone on this forum I would of been moderated. I didn't attack anyone. I simply gave you exactly what youa sked for in your initial post. A reason why it wont affect your monster killing. The only one attacking anything is you and your childish insults. I gave official quotes that you called "Stupid quotes". I supported the OP stating clear reasons as why there is no drawback of this system without going into pointless real world economical debates. Yet you still have nothing but accusations of what to spit at me. This is a debate. I gave my opinion and backed it up. You did nothing but say I was wrong without any proof. Good night my friend, you just lost the debate.
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    posted a message on The Auction House Explained
    Quote from Dolaiim

    I'm sad? You're a goof ball pal, and if you wanna take this outside, I'm game.

    No in all seriousness, I don't give a damn about some pre-canned HR Q/A quote. We all know what's going to happen. I want to be competitive in this game, and in order to do so, It's extremely likely I will be forced to use the RMAH.

    That idiot quote you just gave me does nothing. I don't want to play the game that way, it will (most likely) not be viable for someone who wants to be competitive.

    Goof Ball? Is that derogatory term or comical? Take this outside.....? What? Man I see why you can't understand
    even a simple system as this. Not only you get so heated in a virtual debate, I bet you must rage at home if you
    lose a PvP duel in this case. I'm starting to understand where your coming from, though no matter how I try to relate I can't seem too. heh

    Sorry man, I'm just a casual player, never spent a dime on a game more than it's original value. And yes I used to be competitive in D2 in my young age, even when every other guy was buying hacked/legit items off various companies.

    Nop, never cared about it, and I still don't care if people will be buying in D3. Cause I know I wont. In my opinion, if the normal AH works, good, if both work, even better. If not too bad, cause I'm going to be enjoying the game nonetheless and I can promise that it won't change nothing in my monster killing and loot reaping. Neither will it to yours unless you chose to let it to by crying for nothing as your doing.

    And by the way, get through puberty and mature man, stop with the name calling and the virtual threats. lol It's good comical relief though. Then they wonder why it's hard for Blizzard to take these forums seriously... heh childish name calling in same posts containing economical assumptions.


    PS: STOP REQUOTING THE WHOLE FREAKING OP, OR HUGE ASS QUOTES. waste of freaking space. lol
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    posted a message on The Auction House Explained
    Your so sad, that you couldnt even get one quote proving I'm wrong. I found 2 quotes already proving you are.

    Heres another one for you.

    .
    Players are free to participate in the gold-based auction house or the currency-based auction house, or to opt out of using any of the auction houses at all, progressing through Diablo III using only the items they obtain through their own adventures or direct trade with other players.
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    posted a message on The Auction House Explained
    Quote from Dolaiim

    My bottom line is this. Why do I have to exchange between two currencies in the FIRST PLACE? It's an added layer of toil that keeps me from killing monsters and getting loot.

    There are many answers to this, but I haven't heard any that are compelling.

    Actually there is only one answer to this. You don't. Who said you had to exchange in order to trade? Did Blizzard say that, if they did go find the quote and bring it here. Likewise for any MODS on Dfans.com, and the OP. They never stated you did have to eexchange.

    They did say if you wanted to make a profit in a certain situation you COULD do it. COULD beign the KEY word, if you follow me.

    So like i said, you DONT. You don't have to exchange to trade. And you especially DON'T have to even use the AH or RMAH to kill monsters or get your loot. Since Blizzard made sure that killing monsters and picking up loot is exactly what everyone will be doing for free after you purchased the game of course.

    If your going to reply to this make sure you get an official quote stating clearly that you will either be forced to use the AH/RMAH or be FORCED to exchange in order to enjoy D3 then we can talk more.

    PS: Dont come here with a vague statement and try to change it's meaning with your own representation of it. Get a clear black and white one that everyone can take it's exact meaning at face value.

    Here is an example of a clear Blizzard quote taken from the AH FAQ for your viewing pleasure (since I'm sure you didnt bother reading it) :
    Players can choose to participate in whichever version of the auction house they prefer, on a per-transaction basis.
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    posted a message on The Auction House Explained
    Quote from mus1k

    PS. I am so quitting my job this winter. :D

    HAHA I hope this makes tons of cash too. Since folks need it. But don't quit your job too fast man. lol Pressure of playing might not make it as interesting as making extra money on the side would.


    You should probably learn a little about human behavior and how at least here in the United States how a dollar means more to a lot of people than their family.

    I might not be American, but if I was I'd probably want to kick that ass for making such a dumb off topic generelization that you call a comment. That's pretty sad, kinda makes your whole argument worthless by showing
    lack of judgement.
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    posted a message on The Auction House Explained



    No if implemented this will not be scrapped. The whole game will have been made around the RMT AH. If this game in the end is considered crap because of the RMT AH then there is nothing Blizzard can do short of wiping all servers and getting rid of the RMT AH.

    But then there will be the contract with what ever online banking service they will sign with. There will be no scrapping of the RMT AH if it goes live.

    And yes, you can say people are just trolling saying they won't buy the game, but really there are many that truly will not get this game with the RMT AH being in.

    Thats not even including the skill revamp they did, that is also getting backlash, I am also sure the people that really are not buying the game, don't care if you think they are trolling they are simply expressing their feelings of the released information.

    This is a huge game breaker if you don't see this as being a Pay to Win model then I don't know what to tell you. You should probably learn a little about human behavior and how at least here in the United States how a dollar means more to a lot of people than their family.

    I correct myself, you did read a few more sentences in your light skimming. but still, the fact that your trying to tell me after what I wrote the value of a dollar, shows you dont have a clue what i said in my other paragraphs.

    Second, your just pushing your super thoery that they are trying to steal our money. When like i said , noone is forcing you to buy/sell items. The worst possible scenario of all being that the game is scrapped, still wouldnt affect Blizzard stealing your money. It would just be another case of us buying another flopped game. I've done that cuontless times but you know what, like anything else noone twisted my arm to buy the game. So your point is moot either way.

    And seriously, pay to win what? Whos gonna win against what, your fighting monsters budddy. Where are you going with this?
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    posted a message on The Auction House Explained
    Haven't posted for like a year os so. But this was just too much to hold. Had to join up the Dfans forums once more.

    I'll break my opinion down to two part due to length.A/B

    A)

    1) Blizz knows how to make games, the fact that we have so much to discuss about and that we know as much
    as we do about the in game ecnomics/hacks/bots/fixes/etc. Is simply because they made it possible, they created
    the universe in which these things developed. (and if not them, other brilliant gaming companies). Let them deal
    with the details and outcomes of their choices. Plus nobody is twisting your arm to pay for items.

    2) If they find, down the line, that this system causes more grief than good, they will either change it or remove it, why? Because that's what Blizzard does. So debate however you want, noone can predict 100% the outcome. The only one thing we do know for sure is the following ....GO TO B (1)

    3)I can understand folks who run scared at the thought of a broken economy, with good items only being sold in RMAH
    and voicing their complaints about it(though it may not be justified). But I do NOT for one second pity the fools who complain about others buying their items with real money and beating them in PvP. Or saying that since Blizzard encourages buying items , they are somewhat insulted and won't be buying/playing the game. Crybabies....

    First off myself, and pretty much everyone, don't believe a word of it when they say they wont play. And they know noone believes them too, so they just trolling. Second, that's like saying that since my neighbour's father has more money and my neighbour has a better inheritance, it ruins my life, I cant enjoy myself thus I should just end it. WTF?

    I may not have the money to spend on D3, neither would my wife let me spend if i did. But if others do, good for them, shit. Why not let them spend their hard earned cash on something they hold dear to their hearts? And if they are kids spending their parent's hard earn cash, then that's an issue with the parent itself and has nothing to do with Blizzard. Watch and see if my child in the future spends a buck on gaming if I disagreed. I as a parent wouldn't be blaming Blizzard but myself for not educating my child with the values that I hold.
    If I was a parent that didnt mind this kind of spending then I would be glad that the money is going towards entertainment. Better than them buying drugs on the streets, or sending money to shady 3rd party companies. Which brings me to my next point.
    _____________________________________________________
    B

    1)No matter how you look at RMAH, flop or success. I'd rather pay 1000 bucks to a company that's been making games we enjoy for decades, than pay 1$ to shady 3rd party companies (not necessarily chinese) for item transactions. So if I was one of those guys planning on spending in D3, I would be freaking extatic to know that the money I'm about to spend isn't gonna go to a company that underpays a bunch of kids to farm, but instead is going to go to Blizzard who in return will have the resources to keep making games for years to come. That's called an indirect investment. That means thanks to folks who will be buying and selling real cash, my kids will probably get to enjoy Blizz games like we had in our youth.

    2) To all the purists who say money shouldn't be in games. Why should making money in a game be any less significant than making money at work. Blizzard is possibly opening the doors to a whole new generation of folks who might have an opportunity to make cash while playing games. I see people every day busting their asses in a dead end job that they hate. Go back home miserable with not enough money to go by. Why would giving the future an opportunity to make money while having fun be a bad thing? Where's the problem in that? Shit, is money is the root of all evil, probably. But as we are stuck with it and can't live without it, why not be able to make it in a more enjoyable fashion. Ask anyone who plays sports for a living, they will tell you the same. Sports are a game. Athletes make money for plyaying the game, why not, they are better than us at it. SO,why not let greater computer gamers make money too. If they don't you can bet your arse that others with less honorable purposes will be making it. (like they have been with online games for a decade now).

    Conclusion:

    This might be the beginning of a new era of online gaming. If it goes for the better, excellent. If not then it was wort a try and can always be sent the same way as the talisman, on the shelf. Who are we to criticize something that has yet come to life and that we do not yet fully understand. Be open minded and enjoy the fact that your even getting the chance to play a game. So many people don't.
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    posted a message on Post-Blizzcon Blue Roundup
    Quote from Jackzor

    Well the thing is that in order to prove the point he was trying to prove it was a good example, as it would promote people rerolling the same class, which is what he was talking about. Obviously its flawed in other ways, but he said that before even using the example. Like he said, hes not a game designer. He got the point across so its nothing to fret about.






    In defense of SFJake, (Although I partially agree with Jackzor about not fretting), you can't just put a crap idea out and expect SFJake not to shit on it. That would be like putting a lumpy, bloody piece of meat in front of a starving shark and expect it not to bite....

    You just can't do that you know, people can't go against their own nature.
    Back on topic though, it is true that the points idea is freaking terrible, but it is a good start at trying to find some sort of solution to "rewarding" rolling characters. Note that I put reward in brakets, meaning no not a direct reward, more like an incentive.

    We should try to help out Bashiok by thinking of a few good ideas that could be possibly more interesting than giving points to players for rolling.
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    posted a message on Weapons, Pick Your Poison
    Yes, although it's nice seeing Blizzard trying to put some sense back into Diablo, they can't forget that they must not get trapped into RPG gaming myths that simply don't make much sense.

    Although a skinny little wizard wouldn't be able to wield a giant maul, he would in fact be more than able to swing a claymore. "Gandalf did it, and not only that he dual wielded it with his staff."

    I wouldn't mind seeing spears on the WD, seeing as he is from tribal backgrounds, and they mainly use spears as primary weapons. He might not get as much of a bonus from it, but at least he can equip it and poke shit with it.

    One more thing though.

    If Blizzard does decide to give the off weapon to some classes, I hope that they can make a system that will basically set characters apart when using the same weapon.

    eg. A 300 pound barbarian would be able to wield a 2 handed sword significantly faster than a skinny wizard. Thus dealing more PHYSICAL damage with it and at greater speeds.
    However, a wizard wielding this same weapon could imbue it with magical means to get elemental or magic damage out of it. Thus creating a purpose for this weapon, and still being able to set it apart from the melee characters such as Barbs.

    It would, IMO, open up a whole new world of customization. Such as Witch Doctors being able to use spears, but not being able to deal as much physical damage as a barb, he would however be able to imbue his weapons with fire or locusts to get the bang for his buck.

    They could even mod the monk's finishing moves depending on what weapon he is using. etc.
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