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    posted a message on The Sin War
    The Sin War is not a single event, a great battle that was fought and now belongs to the past.
    The Sin War was, is, an age during which, both Heaven and Hell shifted the focus of the great conflict and came to a halt pending on which side humans will choose.
    This period in the history of Sanctuary kicks off with the fall of Izual to the forces of Hell and the forming of the plan to take hold of the Soul Stones and use their power by starting a race against Heaven for control over human souls, thus forcing the old battlegrounds of the two realms to remain empty, making their followers think that their leaders had gone soft that they must have abandoned their true calling and that they need to be over throned so that the battle could be taken directly into the gates of Heaven again.
    You need only read the manual of the first game to know this much.

    The Sin War seemingly ended with the overthrowing of the Three and their exile to the mortal plane, because at that point, the focus of the two sided of the great conflict was restored towards each other, at least in some part.
    But Diablo names the Sin War, the battle for this world (Sanctuary) and all who exist here, and announces that once he releases his brothers, “The Sin War will once again know the fury of the three.”
    Up to here this is still the first game.

    Now we know that something in Sanctuary is most highly valued by the three Prime Evils and is seen as the ultimate means in order to gain the upper hand over the forces of Heaven and win the Great conflict, and though what it is might be disputed, there is no denying that it does exist, and that in order to harness it, the Soul Stones were required and also the corruption of the World Stone.
    Now with the World Stone destroyed, it is unknown if that goal is now forever lost to the forces of Hell or if it is now fair game for both sides, or maybe something else entirely.
    What is certain is that since Diablo III must have humans fighting for their lives against the hordes of chaos lead by at least Diablo himself, then the battle for Sanctuary isn't over, the Sin War is far from being over.
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    posted a message on The second downfall of Inarius
    I make notes about things that are important and on what page they are as I go, makes it a little longer to read but in the end I only have to read it once and it makes my work much more easier later on.
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    posted a message on The second downfall of Inarius
    Scales of the Serpent [p159]
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    posted a message on The second downfall of Inarius
    Filling the gap is still better than having to cancel parts that already exist.
    The need to have concrete facts out weighs the need to have them being original, although not optimal, deciding that one version of the lore is to replace the old one is a very short way of making the very delicate tower of cards that is the cannon lore of any fantasy world crash into the ground and leaving the fans with disappointments and doubts.
    Whats the point of ever reading the boring dialogs of some game and putting them into context if their just going to change them again and again.
    The option that the Sin War trilogy is not were we can see the last of Inarius can also be beneficial in a way, after all, Lilith has been established in Diablo lore (as far as the credibility of what is written about her in the Arreat Summit can go, and since it hasn't failed in any other piece of lore related text then I'd say thats pretty far) before the Sin War trilogy came out, and so we know this isn't where we see the last of her, because she isn't dead, she is just stashed away in a place where her exact location, even for someone who is aware of her existence there, should be very hard to find, except for Inarius of course who we know had already put both Lilith and Rathma at almost the same spot.

    And as for the Amazon gods, Nephalem I think, its pretty vague but the Sin War trilogy did establish that the deities of the Barbarians (Bul Kathos), Druids (Feacla Gear, can deduct from Druid history), Sorceresses (Esu) and Necromancers (Rathma), are from the first generations of the Nephalem, so most chances are the that deities of Amazons follow that description also, if not than being like Trag Oul is more likely that belonging to either side of the great conflict.
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    posted a message on Changes to the Diablo Lore
    When I went to a psychological evaluation a few months ago the evaluator asked me what in my opinion is the biggest problem I have in matters of socializing.
    With out a doubt I answered that the biggest problem I have is that most of the times, when I talk, it seems that no one seems to hear me, neither if its important or not, neither if it is quiet or not, neither if it is expected or not, my own friends, my own family, and even complete strangers who shouldn't have any bias against the sound of my voice or opinion or personality.
    Thinking about it my self sometimes, I reached the conclusion that perhaps it is the way, or order, I present how I want to express my self that for some reason appeals to the biologically built in circuits in most of the population minds that are in charge of ignoring stuff, and thinking about such a thing is really depressing because I can't see what I can do to change my manner of speech, and it looks like I'll just go on living my life with people ignoring me, not because they want to, but because they can't help it.
    I'm not crazy by the way, it was for the army.

    And this is related to the subject because, I already tried to point out the changes that were made in the lore here:
    http://www.diablo3.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5560
    FSM damn it, no one even bothered to ask who Avi is.
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    posted a message on (Geography) Sanctuary As A Whole
    From the desert, but you can't be so sure about anything anymore, especially about the ruins on the map since they correspond with the old version of the storyline.
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    posted a message on The second downfall of Inarius
    I know that the history of the Eredar is described in the manual of WarCraft II, I don't know about the first one or the ones that came next, it could be there but I just can't account for every text ever written about WC, thats not in the job description.
    The case with the Eredar is an excellent example, but to what, it depends, so a new text was added that contradicted what?, one sentence stating that Sargeras locked them away in his good days and one sentence stating that they he freed them when he went mental.
    This is an excellent example yes, of how such a marginal mistake could echo so loudly in the community of the fans of the game, not that I myself would not be deeply offended by this if I was involved in WC lore but thats exactly the point, I am involved in Diablo lore, and so are allot of people here, and for three books to simply sink in as if nothing is for me incomprehensible, these are not too sentences that are being scratched off here.
    If we are to understand that the a new version of the events leading to the downfall of Inarius had replaced the old one, then we are to understand that the Overlord demons, whose origins are tied together with the first version of the events, simply can't exist.
    I don't think how ever that we had been left with only this choice, like I said, it is possible that we are looking at two different events, so much of the details leading to the current state of Sanctuary were so still very vague at the end of the Sin War trilogy that I do believe that a resolution can still be found here.
    And to the point, in the end there can be no ifs, there can be no buts, and there can be no more abusing us Diablo fans by giving us two versions of the seemingly same event, demanding us to figure out for our selfs what to follow, we have waited 10 years, we deserve some answers, if not in the form of Diablo III, yes or no, then at least in the matter of this.
    I am not a man of many means, but there are some here, I do recall one in particular who had managed a few questions to the author of the Sin War trilogy, who was confront Blizzard officials this this and demand some answers.
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    posted a message on The second downfall of Inarius
    For those who have read the Sin War trilogy recently I bring you this breakthrough, which I only arrived to this day with the much appreciated, unknowingly help of the one called Genesis.
    I myself am bothered by the fact that I haven't seen anyone else bothered by this, it seems as if all of the details here just settled peacefully together for most people while I had to break my head with them.
    I won't cover the relevant parts from the Sin War trilogy here, thats too much for me to do at this hour of the night.

    Overlords (Tyrannus Pinguis): Even the Seraphim are not immune to the corruption of the Dark Lords. One such angels, Inarius, was proud of his beauty and boasted loudly of his purity and worth. His thoughts became so clouded that he believed himself to be above both Angel and Demon, and he left the High Heavens to form his own dominion. He constructed a great cathedral of mirrored glass and crystal, and followers flocked to him, drawn by his numinous charm and wealth. Once Inarius had gathered a sizable army, he decided to prove his power.
    Inarius first laid siege to an infernal temple devoted to the worship of Mephisto, but made the foolish mistake of overestimating his prowess. The armies of Inarius laid waste to the temple and killed the dark monks that dwelled within. The Three Evils had considered the vain warrior a mere nuisance and amusement until this time, but this was an insult that they could not bear.
    Mephisto himself is said to have appeared at the cathedral of Inarius. He laid waste to the church and the surrounding countryside. The Lord of Hatred took the proud archangel and his followers captive. He bound Inarius with tremendous chains and slowly tore the wings from the back of the angel. Great barbed hooks were then used to stretch out the once glowing skin and his features were distorted by vile powers. Many of the followers of Inarius were given as gifts to Baal and Diablo, but the rest were molded to match the bloated image of the now crippled angel. To this day, Inarius is said to be trapped in Hell within a chamber of mirrors, his eyelids torn from his face as he is forced to gaze upon his misshapen form for all eternity. His misguided followers now serve as Hell's taskmaster taking the anguish of their lost glory out upon the bodies of others.
    These grotesque demons have considerable brawn hidden beneath their layers of greasy flab. Do not underestimate their strength or their intelligence for crossing swords with them is ill advised. You will be far better served to combat them with ranged weapons or magic.
    -From the manual of Diablo

    The demons known as Overlords were once the followers of the Seraphim Inarius. After Mephisto crushed their armies and took their leader captive, these followers of Light were transformed and fated to serve as the taskmasters of hell...
    -From the Adventure Game

    When the Serephim who followed the Angel Inarius into battle were made to pay for the destruction of an infernal temple by an outraged Mephisto, many were forced into unholy servitude to the Lord of Hatred. Inarius himself was bound with tremendous chains as the wings were slowly torn from his back. Great barbed hooks were then used to stretch out his once glowing skin and his features were distorted by the vile powers of The Three.
    -From The Arreat Summit

    Now read this page:
    http://www.diabloii.net/generalinf/overview.shtml
    And bare in mind that the Sin War trilogy takes place “Three thousand years before the darkening of Tirstrum”.
    Not that this very old, very (I don't know how to say the word I'm looking for in English) first-drafty time line is absolutely accurate, but I find it in most parts to be quite consistent with differences of 4-10 years mostly, up to a couple of hundred years generally, still good.
    But except for the apparently too obvious difference between the years, something that might not catch everyones attention at the very start is the order of things, being Izual telling the three prime evils about the Soul Stones before the event of Inarius descending to the mortal realm.

    Confused?, let me clear things up about how confusing they really are.

    “What of the Archangel Inarius? ... It was Inarius who first built a Cathedral of Light in this world.”
    “Inarius grew overconfident and destroyed Mephisto’s temple, and Inarius was enslaved and returned with the Seraph to Hell to be tortured for all time. Kabraxis aided in Inarius’s downfall by winning them over to the demon’s side.”
    “I don’t remember that,”
    “The war was primarily between Mephisto and Inarius, ... Only a sage or
    someone who has had priest training would know of Kabraxis’s part in the Sin War. The
    Banisher of Light is a conniving demon. Kabraxis works in the shadows, stretching their
    boundaries till they cover the Light. Most men who have worshipped him over all those
    years have never known his true name.”
    -From The Black Road

    And so, trying to keep the integrity of each of the sources the only logical conclusion we can arrive to is that we are looking at too different events, and for the sake of my sanity this must be so, because if not, then the word retcon doesn't even begin to describe what we are facing.
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    posted a message on Diablo 3 Bizzard Announcement (FAKE)
    Tale of the Three
    Glory and Approbation to Diablo - Lord of Terror and Leader of the Three. My Lord spoke to me of his two Brothers, Mephisto and Baal, who were banished to this world long ago. My Lord wishes to bide his time and harness his awesome power so that he may free his captive brothers from their tombs beneath the sands of the east. Once my Lord releases his Brothers, the Sin War will once again know the fury of the Three.

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    posted a message on New information on Diablo 3.
    It actually takes like an hour and a half for an act, maybe two hours for act 3 but it sort of balanced by act 4.
    I have act 1 and 2 ready already but not at that level of accuracy -meaning that there are a few places that where there were three dots there is now something like this: %??&, but weirder and more varied, thats because copied it from a Google catch of The Dark Library.
    But I did manage to finally understand how to extract the same thing Kenelm put here from the mpq file, then I told my dad to create a program that will delete any certain character strings or any lines which contain certain character strings and it really cut down into everything I had left to do.
    There is still the problem of my LoD disk which is really messed up so I couldn't extract the NPC dialogue from it but since Kenelm brought it here then its no longer a problem, also on that note, thank you Kenelm for saving me the trouble of buying LoD again.
    I think that the best thing to do would be to just post what ever I've got so far, except the map and the time line which wont be prepared until I'd have the chance to read the last book of the Sin War trilogy, reread the first one, and then have the opportunity to ask Knaak some questions.
    Speaking on the books, if any one can by any means send me a digital version of any of the books, preferably all of them, preferably not in MSReader format, I would be forever grateful.
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    posted a message on Φ Diablo Lore and Chronology of Events
    Diablo was not just left there unprotected, like the Gaurdian Tower that was build over the resting place of Mephisto's Soulstone, Diablo's Soulstone also had its own monumental structure built over it.
    “In 1103, Jered Cain's Band of Horadrim captured Diablo in the country of Khanduras in a conflict so terrible that all but Cain died in that effort. Cain buried the stone near the river Talsnade, and he had a Horadric Monastery built over the site.
    During the monastery's ascendancy, Horadric monks filled the structure.”

    As for how much time did Marius have to age until the time he is in the asylum, its been quite a lot of time since I've worked on the time line but maybe today is a good time to start again, I might have an answer later today.
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    posted a message on Characters/classes we want to see/be in Diablo 3
    Hes got a point Elfen, how can you not understand this logic?
    But on the other hand, the fact that the Paladin uses hammers and maces a lot and even has an attack called Blessed Hammer suggests that he is Nordic.
    And besides, the fact that hes black surely means that hes from Africa, where else could he have come from?

    And more before I get to the point, a crucifix is a cross which is not empty, it is a cross with a human being crucified on it, hence, it is not an empty cross.

    And to the point, Christianity has no ownership over the symbol of the cross, it has existed thousands of years before Christianity was founded and it will surely outlast the religion by not less than that.
    That the programmers of the game chose to put images of crosses in it and also to maybe integrate it with some religious meaning doesn't mean you can now directly impose real world meaning to it, and surely not in such a selective way as to point out only the religion you know of that uses the symbol of the cross.

    The Paladins first and foremost believe in the teachings of Akarat, the founder of the Zakarum church, and though the church itself is no longer devoted to the Light, the Paladins still are.
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    posted a message on Ask, and learn
    Quote from "Carloseus" »
    dude, blizzard doesnt want that information leaked, and they can easily trank him down and punish him for even starting to talk about it. if he was really an employee, he would have been shot at point blank range within ten minutes of his first post.

    Blah! you are killing my fun.
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    posted a message on Ask, and learn
    Sorry for the way people here responded to your enlightenments about the new game until now Mirroc, they aren't very trusting of newcomers around here, especially newcomers who claim to work at Blizzard on Diablo III but can't say the name of the third character in it.
    But that is still OK, because you also mentioned your work is closely related to Metzen meaning that your team is working on the storyline itself, or at least some aspects of it, and not on character development, this is why you were also able to supply so much information on who will we be seeing in the new game.
    Now don't take this the wrong way, you're not in the clear yet, I still have my own question for you, one that might yet restore some dignity you have left.
    Question: On what year according to the game time line does the new Diablo game takes place?
    And might I remind you that the game does have a very clear and consistent time line which does state some very important dates such as that in -990 Izual attacks Hellforge and fails and that in 1100 the Horadrim led by Jered Cain capture Diablo in Khanduras and many others.
    If you don't know the answer to this question then ask Metzen, since your team works so closely with Metzen then I can't think of any reason why it should be a problem for you to do just that.
    And if you can't come up with a decent answer to my question then do us all a favor and stop posting on these forums from now on, you'll just embarrass yourself.
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