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I disagree, it's too simple saying that they play 10 times more = 10 more xp. Take one perfect equipted avarage skilled player vs an avarage skilled group with perfect gear. The difference is huge.

It's not just about the the monster HP / damage, it's the the synergy of the group vs a solo player. A solo player cannot affort throwing all defences out the window, or go all out tank, he has to find the ballance. I think realistical you might end up farming GR 80-90 solo comfortable, while groups can do 100+ pretty easily. Even with the same time, the results would be huge.

Yes, in terms of xp for killing the same mobs it's getting close, but when comparing the capabilities of the groups vs the solo players, the difference is an ocean more than 1.6x / 2.6x as you refer to in the other topic.

Again, a difference is needed, but a further decrease to either HP / mobs damage (or both) is needed to ballance out the team vs solo play.

Poor us solo players. I understand the nerf of xp gained, but the nerf to a solo player is huge while groups can push higher and still gain an respectfull amount of xp. But well, Blizz desided long ago that solo players should just feel sorry for themself playing D3 ;p

Edit: Of course I agrees that a group should get more xp than a solo player, but this difference should not be as big as it is now. How to solve it? - No idea, but I hope Blizz is trying to figure out something.

Jokerfiend, please read the replies from bagstone and Thaya (as you did). I do respect you for having a different opinion than me, and most likely a lot of the community agrees with you, but please take in consideration what they have written (in a more formal and better way than what I am capable of).

I say this, not as an insult to you or other, but come on, take it easy. It's just a game. We like it, therfor we cheat (D3Helper guilty here). And even so, I and other "cheaters" have contributed in form of communities and groups, and tried our best to be welcomming to other people. Ultimately it's the community that keeps the game alive, sadly the D3 community is having a hard time these days with too much elitismn and hostility towards people.

Can't we just play and have it fun? Why is it so bad that you have to go to such extremes as making parallells to a WW?

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I work, I workout, I read, everyday. I have a wife and 2 kids. You choose to be a service member. My father was a Master Sgt in the Air Force. While I don't know what it's like to serve, I do know what it's like to live with it. How much I had to sacrifice while a father had to move around every 2-3. Friends, Family, Stability. I had none of that shit as a child. Anyone that mentions service in anything beyond when asked, is asking for curried favor. You want your service to be an excuse, otherwise why mention it? Literally has no bearing on the situation at hand. Diablo 3 is a time sink. You don't want to invest into a time sink. Don't fucking play the game. Simple as that. If you have to cheat to get by, then this game isn't for you. Just move on.
Your logic of cheating could be literally used for any walk of life, in any situation. It's like saying I steal because I work hard, but don't make enough. Yet, I am sure if someone broke into your house, you wouldn't let that shit go because they have it hard. Having it hard isn't an excuse. And you damn well know it.
D3 faults aren't a reason to cheat. It's another excuse. You cheat because you want too. And you cheat because it's easy. Nothing else, nothing more. If you didn't care, you wouldn't post about it. You posted to rub in peoples faces. I don't buy it. And I'm not going to let you have it either.

You need to take a chill-pill mate. And doing parallells to stealing and such is not a valid comparison. It does not affect you (other than the illusion of competition), so why going ballistic now?

And it's fun you saying that having it hard is no excuse, I could say: Having it hard gives you no excuse to act like an asshole towards others.

He is not tryint to make up excuses, he simply explains his point of veiw and why he have chosen what he did.

At least it's better than you people who cannot even have a fruitable discussion about the matter.

If this game had been anything like a competative game, or massive online game I would get it - it would affected you if people cheated. But Diablo 3 is game with some very, VERY simple multiplayer elements. Basically it is a singleplayer game with a simple leaderboard. Still you people who has not experienced real world problems like work, family, responsibilities and who take the game way too serious than what it's meant to, come here and spew hatefull messages to and about people who ultimately does not affect you. If anything it tells more about you than these botters who bot for the fun of it / to enjoy the game for their own means.

D3 community, or rather Diablofans is one of the worst communities I have ever withnessed. There is so much hate, envy, arrogance and betterknowing here. Seldom is there a good discussions where points of veiws from different camps are enlightened. Usually it is the "moral keepers" who sits on their high horse and pass judgement upon the "filth" of the community for destroying their sacred multi...singleplayer experience.

I wish leaderboards where never introduced, then the community - specially this one might had been a nicer place where we could have nice discussions.

Because the most active players are the one that uses 3d. part programs of either forms. Example: Most streamers uses different click / macro programs to help out. If you are going to draw a line that every 3d. part programs is bannable, then you got to ban all of them.

And so did D3 lose 75% of it's population xD It's fun, I think the bots and 3d part programs have extended the life of D3. Nevertheless, I am awaiting the shitstorm on the forums.

Because it's Blizz. You give them money - they buys a strap on - then foks you.

Moral of story, they do what they like. I'm really anoyed by this too, but it's allways been like that with them.

"Why they're cheating" would be a super interesting thing to know for a developer of a game like this.

It's a useful discussion.

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He doesn't have a point and it's entirely moot. His point could literally reflect anything, anywhere. All it shows is his morality. Its beating a dead horse. Cheating perverse the point of the game. In any aspect, in any form. If you have to cheat to get by, then what is the point? Why can't get he enjoy the game for what it is? Get where he can get? He isn't playing the same game legitimate players are, he is playing an entirely different game.

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As for me, yes I am a cheater. I used D3Helper to keep the Taeguk stacks up for my WD (basically spamming Firebats ever 2850 MS). If that gets me banned - then fine. I enjoyed the game, alltho I dislikes that need to push a button to keep up a certain buff.

You'll be happy to know Taeguk has been completely redone for next patch. Having to continually spam skills for stacks was bad design - which has happily been indentified & rectified. Had the same issue with my HotA barb to the point I changed spec to avoid it!