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Effectively a shaman.

Good job, Guise. Hella research.

Well, considering Afrika is the origin of humans and those that had similarities with the Witch Doctor in reality were called Shamans, it would make the most sense.

So, Diablo III would be too much like reality. Not, however, WoW.
Grow up.

I'd hope 10 people could be in one party.

Sure, 4-5 sounds nice for an even amount of killing from everyone in the party instead of those few guys or gals that sit in back waiting for when the shit hits the fan, AKA the boss fight, but what about your guild and/or friends? I want everyone in the game at the same time.

As long as whatever they do has no loss to the potential loot drop chance and difficulty ratio.

I also must say I'm disappointed with the loot system, but it could be because of different games I've been playing.
I've been playing Neverwinter Nights, but specifically, Higher Ground's server.
Every party or "run" as it is called, has a designated person called a "bank" who grabs all of the loot, and "pops" all of the loot (opens the chests, containers, etc.)
At the end of the run, there are places to go to "split the loot," where the bank will put all of the loot into a chest/container, particularly an armoire in this game.
There is a party leader, you get a little crown on your avatar and members of the party can teleport to you instantly almost anywhere except different dimensional planes and shit. That's really all you get for being the leader.
As well, the leader has to do a command, "!partyroll"
This rolls a 100 sided dice, and everyone in the party gets a number, 100 to 0.
This way, the higher the number grabs an item first, down to the last man.
Each person grabs ONE ITEM, in consecutive order.
So if there's 20 items, each person gets two.

This system works wonders, as I understand, but I'm not sure how it looks to someone who hasn't experienced it.
The environment on those servers in that game was spectacular.
Everyone was helping one another.
Runs are constant, leaving the game never not played, even after YEARS, the same runs are done, without boredom.
Everyone understands that they have a role or job within the party.
Everyone understands their day will come for a good high roll in a party, and they will get their items, and until then keep doing their job in the parties and everything evens out.
The economy stays balanced, and this way, you're not having to worry about the one guy obliterating all monsters and getting all the loot. (It was my impression that when you kill things, it drops loot that only you see, so only you can grab it, meaning if there's a hot shot in your party, he/she's getting everything.)
Anyway, this system forces teamwork, not only in the game, but it instills it into the character of the person.
It gives discipline and respect, patience, positivity (imagine a game where 13-16 year olds ACT LIKE adults in regards to character/personality, better stated, kids will be kids, but there's a time and place for that, when a quest and loot isn't on the line - oh, and flaming... that's not even part of vocabulary... I don't even know what trolling means - actually, I haven't witnessed any of this common sense negativity blah blah garbage since I played Warcraft III/Diablo II - you'd be surprised what a loot system and expectation of party etiquette can do in a game, but then again there's 8 worlds of 27 players each and enforced/supervised by those that can ban people from the server, except - !!!!! the good part !!!!!!! - assholes, thieves, jerks, or as you all would say, flamers and trolls I suppose, are banned by the players!!! When you're playing a game where it's pretty tough to get anywhere without a party, and everyone knows you as a piece of shit because everyone informs one another the second they find out someone is an asshole, it's kind of hard to get anyone to invite you, now, isn't it?), and best of all - a lot more quest runs and hours HAPPILY spent with fellow Diablo III fans!!!

I'm honestly worried about the level of gameplay.

I always disliked the idea of a "clan," "guild" and "close friends," close friends meaning that you won't play if you aren't playing with them.

I always believed it prime gameplay to go anywhere, meet strangers, adventure.

I'm very concerned with this new generation (or so it seems) of gamers and all this immature negativity and self-centeredness. I'm almost to the point of being surprised if I do enjoy the interpersonal gameplay with most of the population. To think what is in store when a misdirected topic of debate turns into all of this. Something so minor has turned into some political circus/mastermind Hitler scheme of dividing nations. It's ridiculous what it has came to.. Over a graphic issue especially.

Whoa...

OK..

The high and mighty spiel from petitioners has gone on long enough.
You are ranting and raving with fellow Diablo III players.
Arguing with admirers of the current Diablo III looks will not get you your change.
How has everyone on both sides failed to realize this?

As well, opinions? Please. This entire argument in itself is based off logic and needs to be treated as such. Logic - millions will get Diablo III, and there isn't even hundreds of thousands to be seen in any long run let alone short for this petition.
I'm no expert, but if Blizzard wants happy customers, I'd go with the idea of the millions instead of the 47,000. This is no opinion, this is fact.

This needs to stop being argued here. It does nothing.
I'll put it this way - players don't want to read your childish shit, all of you.
What makes you think people who are at their job, the last place any human wants to be, will be interested in even skimming this?

If the idea is to go off of numbers of happy customers, you have an extremely long way to go, so in the meantime, let's offer ideas to be heard instead of arguments to be ignored. There will be no "loss of future customers." So little statements have been made of refusing to play if there's no change that even if 100% are not bluffing that so many millions of others will be playing, and they're going to be isolated, bombarded by "Dude, what game? Come play Diablo III with me." and eventually will break anyway.

That is how it works, factually. People want what other people want.
Off topic.

Discuss something else. The reputation of this playerbase for Diablo III already has me rounding up a guild, making me feel my Diablo III will turn into Neverwinter Nights, because I'll be surrounded by a bunch of argumentative, bitter, negative hotheads who can't get over their self to be a team, adventure and provide everyone with a good time. Sign your petition. This bullshit won't do anything.
The guy who likes the "artistic direction?" Guess what?
He ain't doing shit for you or your overly exaggerated smart ass "points."
That's all I've seen from these petitioners - ass clown remarks.
Maybe two have been professional, one being Corwynn, except he's being dragged down.
And maybe 10 or so who are for the "artistic direction."
You are surrounded by people you will be playing the game with.
Have respect for your fellow players, and appreciate that on late nights or otherwise awkward/odd times of the day or week, these people will be there to accompany you unlike many other games with a low playerbase where loads of fun is only possible at certain times and days of the week.
Let's make Diablo III good because we can.
Because we decide whether Blizzard's employees' families' eat a hot dinner and sleep in a bed under a roof.
Because we are the reason three I's exist.
Because for better or worse, that won't be the Barbarian tanking damage for you or the Mage supporting you with a substantial asswhooping to demons, played by a Blizzard staff, but by each and every person here.
Let's remember why we even have the privilege and freedom to argue this in the first place... because we've stuck together through what we love.
Most of all, let's make future PK's roleplay and competition.
Not "That's the motherfucker who signed the petition, rahna rahna rahna."

Let's get back to influencing Diablo III and leave the petition to speak for itself.

As I've said, way too many people love it the way it is, including Blizzard.
I think a good portion of the petitioners recently started Diablo and this new Diablo III is suddenly coming out, to them, so they only briefly experienced the old crappy shit and didn't get 8 years worth of it.
Therefore they're outraged, and this subliminally passive hostility from all petitioners in every post no matter where only makes sense with the explanation that they know they won't win and hoping their bluff wouldn't be called, and they're pissed. It's bratty, in a way.

Besides...
You - can't - always - get...

Wow... *scratches head*... *wipes face*... I'm strongly reminded of when John Kerry or whoever was facing Bush when it first started, "Bush sucks," and "I vote for the guy who ain't Bush," but when you ask them people why, it became this rant disguised as a sensible and highly descriptive reasoning process. Turns out, they didn't have a single legitimate reason.

These screenshots are fascinating.
The difference is hella epic.
I see gray, brown and this mudclay red texture with slight glows (Oh, wait a minute, hues) added.
I am absolutely astonished with the premise and all tiers of this argument and request.
I'm all for getting what you want. Shit, I'll take what I want by force, legally of course, but I'll get it.
I'm all for speaking up, getting loud, proud, letting a motherfucker know you're there.
But shit... there's no base to this.
The one thing you all got going is the surfaces looking worn, like in the sig above me.
That's good. Abrasive texture, understandable. First good point I've seen out of 30 threads and countless posts. I read 120 words per minute and I've been here for 6 hours.
But as for "real," limestone is the previous color, the second one is not a color of any stone.
As well, "age" would make it gray. If you got reddish brown dust in your house, it's time to call someone. You need fucking help. Immediately.

Otherwise... if you're trying to tell people that blandness, which you -are- telling this to people, is what portrays all those Diablo adjectives, you're not going to get anywhere. It's more of the same.

The single good point that makes any sense to someone neutral looking at only logic and what he sees (First off, I'm a male, second I'm military - I see logic and what's in front of me) is the alteration to incorporate age abrasion to the stone staircase. That is it. You have not a single other thing going for you.

The petitions are great, I think it's phenomenal that for once in a long time people have come together in this country and a select few others as well for one purpose, and I'm not talking about some local area who got hit by a flood and life and death depends on coming together; phenomenal, but unfortunately it won't do a thing.
The radius issues, aka fog of war? It was a demo. I'm sure they wanted people to see everything going on. You might disagree, but I pay attention to detail. The first words out of any representatives mouth was "environment." I'd say they want you to see the environment in their one-time-exposed demo.

You have seen absolutely nothing.
You saw a bright, colorful landscape.
Look, ain't no Demon how powerful stopping the Sun from doing what the Sun does best.
Light things up.
You saw a rainbow?
Well, I saw a waterfall with a misty haze and a load of sunshine.
Last time I checked, I wasn't a cartoon, and neither were my outdoors.
You saw a greenish hue?
I saw nothing but grass and tiny droplets of water flying everywhere.
What does water do by nature, that word describing real, reflect things?
Hmm, like the same deal with the ocean and the sky? Both blue?
Well, darn... now that I slow way the hell down and think about it rationally, into a realists perspective...

How does 1 person outdo 50,000? Carefully.

Diablo II is old.
What games didn't look like Diablo II when Diablo II came out?
The video with Baal imploding the guy at the Arreat gates was barely dark, let alone to the exaggerated extent projected by these petitioners, and the alleged darkest of the bosses, the final meeting himself should be so.

What's with this rainbow topic? No one complains of the rain.
If you're ready to tell me Demons destroyed the sun, you'll be known to take this argument to the end just because you want to win it, not for the game but for yourselves, so go ahead and try that.
That out of the way, why would the suns rays not refract as usual in real (Antonym of cartoony?) life and create a rainbow?

I'm sorry, but when the sun is out, pardon my French, ain't shit lackin' color.
This is Hell right? Real hot? Fires blazing? Should be a little more lit then, huh?
Not seeing the monsters coming scares people?
Oh, the whole jump reflex.
How about seeing a horde of those things coming when you don't even want one near you.
Furthermore, I don't see anyone whippin' out binoculars.
From one side of the screen to the next is maybe 20 feet in Sanctuary.
That's slightly larger than your typical middle class living room.
Did you know a murderer with a knife can clear 40 feet in 2 seconds?
20 feet just took an entirely different perspective for Demons, known to be a bit stronger and faster than a human.

Rocks... oh, geez... the rocks are no longer one shade no matter where you go.
(Mention Lut Gholein, I'd love ya to, but remember how wind carries sand and blasts mountains)
I don't remember Diablo having creatures in water, this ain't Beowulf.
So why was my water pitch black or otherwise crappy looking in Diablo II?
Oh, I noticed some nice wheat colored grass and paths, which usually brings with it a rather luminous consistency just like in real life, you know - grass dies.
So why was my Diablo II, demonic as all Hell grass ALWAYS green, thriving and alive, except maybe a couple spots here and there for that developer who didn't want the same color across the board just because it didn't feel right?

Ya know, I could really go on until entering this post causes my Explorer to crash.

It's many years later. Of course there will be changes, improvements and upgrades.
You also might want to consider that you did witness a demo, 20 minutes of at that.
I do recall, though it being many years ago, me spending 20 minutes just to leave town in Diablo II, because if I was really in that position, I'd make damn sure I know what's going on before I go anywhere, so I made it real for myself.
As well, maybe it being a demo had radius removed so you could, hmm, demo.

I think everyone's a little too excited for this topic, and if Blizz does act in accordance with this petition, their actions will be a little too excited, and the game will suffer.

We're all going to wait, so let's not be in a rush to judge the quality of our cheese on our pizza before we even talk to Luigi to order. I think that sounds rather traditional, matured and professional, just like our Diablo has always been for us.

I'm not going to get involved with this color argument. Everyone's going to play anyway, and people who have no complaint have no petition to sign, so if all you got is 40,000, there's gotta be nearly 5 million at least who ain't got a problem.

But you people are spitting images of PETA.
This opinion garbage needs to stop.
As you can see, I didn't even bother arguing the color trash. It's inane.
I can empathize, understand and listen, as most can who have no problem.
But you people futilessly complaining want nothing to do with any other ideas whatsoever.
If it isn't agreeing with you, you don't want to hear it.
Keep that in mind when you step to anyone with this pathetic, "Oh, please, I have an opinion too" BS.
Listen, and be heard. Speak, and be silenced.
At least act older with this topic.
No one wants to hear you people because you're trying to monopolize everyone.
Slow down, assess your situation, take in all factors, chew on both sides for a while, and project this attitude, and people might want to hear you out if you haven't too far damaged your efforts already.
Be professional.

Hello. Hi.

I got word at 5:19:36 AM CST that allegedly Diablo III is estimated to release in March of 2009.
I'm not saying this is true, nor am I acting like one of those jackasses who kicks it with the CEO of Blizz every Friday and shares a few girls on Saturdays. All I'm saying is that from this exact minute of 5:31 AM CST on July 13th back to June 28th has been disguised as a 16 day journey, but it's been a fucking 200 year epic. I want this game out tomorrow. I want to not see it coming. I want some random buddy I got in the military to come from Naples, Bahrain, Sydney, Tokyo in the middle of the night, repel my damn wall through my window with a grappling hook, and jump on me screaming "I SAW DIABLO III AT BEST BUY! WHY ARE YOU SLEEPING!?!?"

So what I wanted to do is two things: #1 See if it's possible at all to get this confirmed if even by "That sounds about right"
#2 To let everyone know, if this is true, there is some hope that it is soon to come because I'd damn well expect the same and would be mad as hell if a brother on the frontlines was holding out on me

I don't expect too many responses that will be helpful or project answers, but all I need is one.