Some community manager says he doesn't like griefers so everyone should assume PK is out in D3? Right... I wouldn't put my money on that.
You act like using the custom game features is some kind of huge burden on cooperative play. I got a HUGE news flash for you. It actually helps cooperative play. Why?
Here's a two major reasons for you:
Private games with friends
Level restrictions keep unwanted high level players out.
It's nice not being stuck having to join public games all the time. I can actually group with my friends and avoid unwanted hostile players? WOW HOLY CRAP WHAT A CONCEPT. WOW HUGE BURDEN HERE!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at all the people who play on WoW PVP realms. It's close to 50/50. Fact is: People who want PK totally out of the game are an annoying vocal minority and nothing more. Move along.
Good night.
I think it's safe to say that the World of Warcraft game, and the Warcraft Franchise differ greatly from the Diablo franchise. Warcraft itself was designed specifically around PvP. Same with Starcraft. Diablo, however, was not.
Now, that being said... if Blizzard created realms specifically designed for PvX specific gameplay... it would show that the "outliers" on the game scale aren't really outliers at all in Blizzard's Diablo franchise. And if that is the case, I will gladly apologize for my errors.
Unfortunately, I have a hard time believing that the Diablo franchise was made with the PKers in mind.
How is my logic flawed? RPGs are based on choices. A PK chooses to go hostile. You, player have any number of tools at your disposal to deal with the threat. Regardless of gear, level, skill.
That's what what made D2 awesome and that's what made WoW awesome. Blizzard would have done away with any sort of "PKing" a long time ago if they didn't think it fit into there version of what an "RPG" is
While I will agree that, through I hated it, WoW's world PvP was a brilliant design on Blizzard's behalf. What I feel is a top reason the game sold so well was the utter enmity between the Horde and the Alliance. World PvP did nothing more than to propigate that. That's fine and well, I'll accept that.
I'll also concede that RPGs are based on player choices. However I feel that inhibiting certain player choices by our GM, Blizzard, to keep the environment at a happy medium would be more beneficial to them, and the player base as a whole. In a game that's designed around story-driven PvE with the option of PvP, I feel that PKers // Griefers and MFers // Farmers are deviants to the scale of Diablo II's gameplay. How few do the PKers number versus the people who play the game from start to finish? Appealing to balance of the game, the GM must make a decision... allow the outliers to continue to cause grief to those who wish to play the game normally, or create a fair and balanced game that prevent the deviants to become too far segregated from the game that the purpose is lost for them?
Can we all agree D3 needs to expand on the current D2 hostile system and improve it? The current D2 system is fine and WOULD work for D3 but I think we all agree it needs to be looked at again from both sides of the table.
I personally FULLY support that PK still be in D3 because at the end of the day Diablo is supposed to be a role playing game. Players should be able to chose how they play the game and not be forced into rule sets based on how certain portions of the population feel. That's the true essence of what an RPG is supposed to be.
But your logic is flawed... rules sets in RPGs are designed to create and maintain a fair and balanced game to provide enjoyment out of everyone. PKing is neither fair nor balanced... therefore rule sets will be implicated.
You can play WoW all day long, but you'll never convince Blizzard to allow Priest Turn Undead spells to damage the Forsaken... it's neither fair nor balanced to the entire player base.
Greetings all! I've actually been watching this website for a while, but never participated until recently. After having played Diablo II from 1.06 until 1.10 (quit after synergy)... I prayed to Tyrael every night to grant me Diablo III.... and it seems he has finally answered my prayers! Let us rejoice together, friends! This be a time worthy of praise!
Exactly. More people will be pleased with the removal than with it staying. More people pleased = more sales for Blizzard. That's why they go with majority consensus instead of the minority that likes to cause people annoyance.
I started typing a long and involving speech (which I have grown accustomed to recently)... and then you said it nice and sweetly, though with a little less tact than I would've used.... but well done nevertheless!
I agree, Elfen Lied... I've several names that I've stuck with over the many years of playing pen & paper games, to Final Fantasys, and most other games that I get to RP with a character... It's mildy disconcerting to see:
Lady_Avarice has entered the world.
Magus_of_Old has entered the world.
I P W N U has entered the world.
Magus_of_Old has left the world.
Lady_Avarice has left the world
I P W N U: Aww.... nobody loves me...
i strangly like the new d3 system better, it just seems more simple, less having to create multi accounts for things, though for some items they should take up more room.
Agreed, though I'm hoping for some sort of shared stash to alleviate that specific problem as well... I'll have to pray to Tyrael for that tonight.
Herein lies the problem of Censorship. In America, there is no real censorship, save what a lot of the 40 year old white soccer moms try to push in their southern baptist agenda.... but that's neither here nor there...
Should we let "Big Dick Willy" go through, which could be offensive to one or several people, in which Blizzard becomes the target of multiple law suits based on offensive and lewd behavior (because they allowed it, they are at fault, as it's their game and their intellectual property, and more people are apt to do it now rather than back in the day).... or have a censorship script that keeps out copyrighted names, offensive names (sexually, racially, religiously, ect. ect.), and anything else that could have an adverse affect on the player base. Blizzard has gained worldwide recognition, and thus must be more careful on whose dreams they tread on.
If only you children could see yourselves as us adults see you now. How pathetic it is that you actually think it a good idea for a high level to PK a low level? That is just sad and pathetic.
I really loved Timaah's response...pretty much sums up there argument well:
Wow, how freaking clueless does one have to be to figure this one out. I guess I actually need to explain this, which is kind of sad. Holding your own...so your argument is a lvl 10 is suppose to hold their own against a lvl 95? LMAO! I have to ask? Do you just plain suck Baals at games so badly you need such a unfair disadvantage? There is absolutely no difference when a high level goes after a low level and when one uses a hack to PvP against a similar level.
This is NOT skill, and anyone who even tries to argue that it is, well I can assure they are someone that gets owned 110% in every FPS game. Maybe that is why they want to come to D2 and PK maybe? Maybe you should find another avenue to vent your inadequacy in games...just a thought
I have a better suggestion, maybe some should try and learn how to play a video game, they are not that hard.
And I would love it? You got to be high or something. Sorry, I am a mature well-adjusted adult, meaning picking on people and deriving my pleasure form other's griefs is NOT my cup of tea mate. If that is how misfit 12 year olds want to play, then fine. But not in OUR game. You want to kill other players, go play COD4 (where I will obviously own your sorry @$$ seeing as you all pretty much have shown to have no skills)
Plain and simple argument kiddies. High level Pking low level is NOT skill, does not take brains, nor any abilities what so ever. It is the action of pathetic and sad losers. If you want to join that crowd, so be it. But you are NOT going to be doing it in D3..so ADIOS, GOODBYE, AU REVOIR. D3 doesn't need to be filled with a bunch of dumb little kids.
It's sad to say this, as I'm on the side of being against PKing... but seriously, you're no different than the others who are flaming your topic. Be reasonable, provide examples to your opinion, and strive to find a common ground. We're all adults here, there is no need to attack someone (or a general sect's) character to prove your point. It's a fallacy in arguments.
Stop using the excuse that you arn't able to play @ the calibur of an elite player.
Elite player? As far as I know, griefing's hit and run, or camp a corpse to maintain full advantage techniques are hardly of any honor or value, and doesn't make an elite player.... just a person who exploits a weakness in the game to provide cheap thrills at the cost of another person's positive gaming experience
The way you talk gives off the impression that pking happens at every single game, every run.
Not sure how D2 is this days, but back them... i had what, 1 pk every 40 games/runs or so, and i was a addicted player for more than 2 years, i dont think that ''pk ruins runs'' is a valid statement, and in my view, not even blizzard has a valid argument to remove it.
Yeah it sucks to get griefed(to grief, feels awesome ), but imo pking didnt happen so regurlary in D2 to the point of turning itself an issue in D3.
You're right, and I apologize if I gave the impression that it happens every run... but the fact of the matter is, it hinders others' gameplay, no matter if it happens once a minute, or once an hour, per person. Why allow something that is only fun to a select few that take advantage of an aspect on a game designed for enjoyment for all who desire it? I don't think the old adage of "Fight fire with fire" really works here. WoW's credo is "Gank and Gank alike"... lets not let that spill over to D3.
Don't forget that the drops are on a person to person basis... like a credit system (or, at least that what I thought).... so it's easier to bypass items that you don't want // need. That'll also fix the problem of people just sitting behind to clean up the scraps.... if you call that a problem.
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I think it's safe to say that the World of Warcraft game, and the Warcraft Franchise differ greatly from the Diablo franchise. Warcraft itself was designed specifically around PvP. Same with Starcraft. Diablo, however, was not.
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Unfortunately, I have a hard time believing that the Diablo franchise was made with the PKers in mind.
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While I will agree that, through I hated it, WoW's world PvP was a brilliant design on Blizzard's behalf. What I feel is a top reason the game sold so well was the utter enmity between the Horde and the Alliance. World PvP did nothing more than to propigate that. That's fine and well, I'll accept that.
I'll also concede that RPGs are based on player choices. However I feel that inhibiting certain player choices by our GM, Blizzard, to keep the environment at a happy medium would be more beneficial to them, and the player base as a whole. In a game that's designed around story-driven PvE with the option of PvP, I feel that PKers // Griefers and MFers // Farmers are deviants to the scale of Diablo II's gameplay. How few do the PKers number versus the people who play the game from start to finish? Appealing to balance of the game, the GM must make a decision... allow the outliers to continue to cause grief to those who wish to play the game normally, or create a fair and balanced game that prevent the deviants to become too far segregated from the game that the purpose is lost for them?
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But your logic is flawed... rules sets in RPGs are designed to create and maintain a fair and balanced game to provide enjoyment out of everyone. PKing is neither fair nor balanced... therefore rule sets will be implicated.
You can play WoW all day long, but you'll never convince Blizzard to allow Priest Turn Undead spells to damage the Forsaken... it's neither fair nor balanced to the entire player base.
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I started typing a long and involving speech (which I have grown accustomed to recently)... and then you said it nice and sweetly, though with a little less tact than I would've used.... but well done nevertheless!
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Lady_Avarice has entered the world.
Magus_of_Old has entered the world.
I P W N U has entered the world.
Magus_of_Old has left the world.
Lady_Avarice has left the world
I P W N U: Aww.... nobody loves me...
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Agreed, though I'm hoping for some sort of shared stash to alleviate that specific problem as well... I'll have to pray to Tyrael for that tonight.
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And thank Tyrael for that
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In other news.... Inarius is gay! More at 11
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Should we let "Big Dick Willy" go through, which could be offensive to one or several people, in which Blizzard becomes the target of multiple law suits based on offensive and lewd behavior (because they allowed it, they are at fault, as it's their game and their intellectual property, and more people are apt to do it now rather than back in the day).... or have a censorship script that keeps out copyrighted names, offensive names (sexually, racially, religiously, ect. ect.), and anything else that could have an adverse affect on the player base. Blizzard has gained worldwide recognition, and thus must be more careful on whose dreams they tread on.
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It's sad to say this, as I'm on the side of being against PKing... but seriously, you're no different than the others who are flaming your topic. Be reasonable, provide examples to your opinion, and strive to find a common ground. We're all adults here, there is no need to attack someone (or a general sect's) character to prove your point. It's a fallacy in arguments.
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Elite player? As far as I know, griefing's hit and run, or camp a corpse to maintain full advantage techniques are hardly of any honor or value, and doesn't make an elite player.... just a person who exploits a weakness in the game to provide cheap thrills at the cost of another person's positive gaming experience
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You're right, and I apologize if I gave the impression that it happens every run... but the fact of the matter is, it hinders others' gameplay, no matter if it happens once a minute, or once an hour, per person. Why allow something that is only fun to a select few that take advantage of an aspect on a game designed for enjoyment for all who desire it? I don't think the old adage of "Fight fire with fire" really works here. WoW's credo is "Gank and Gank alike"... lets not let that spill over to D3.