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I also missed another one:

f. You weren't using your hatred properly. I said it in the last post, but I will drive the point home. Use something that actually hurts a lot, like impale or rapid fire.

• It's not that I can't get through the game, I can, and have done so without dying.
• The problem is the weapons I have found or crafted do Nerf gun like damage in Nightmare mode
• Both above points have made the game simply not enjoyable for me to play
• I seriously don't have time to sit and read or watch videos on how to build my character

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I am pretty sure this isn't Diablo 1 or 2. So how exactly does it makes sense that you should not have to do these things in Diablo 3 when it isn't the same game? People really need to remove their heads from their asses and realize THIS IS NOT A D2 CLONE.

So faithful fans who have bought, played, loved, the Diablo series for 14 years shouldn't expect game-play consistency between games is what you are saying? Really now?

You do realize that it was the faithful fans who made each subsequent game even possible. Lose your base of fans and kiss your game goodbye. Why do you think people eagerly anticipate the next version of the game they came to love?

You don't see similar gameplay from D1 and 2? Really? That's a joke right? I mean, you have a wife and kid so you can't possibly be that stupid to realize the basic gameplay is pretty much the EXACT same. The difference you are crying like a 12 year old girl about is the difficulty. You know why you could power through D1 and D2 using only shit that dropped for you? Because those games were tuned to the skill levels of 6 year olds. D1 and D2 were fun, I admit it, I spent about 8 years playing them, but as far as difficulty goes, it was completely and totally non existent. You could play through them only using your drops because the games were faceroll easy. Guess what kiddo, D3 isn't faceroll easy. Now what you are wearing and the skill choices you are making ACTUALLY MATTER. How exactly did you get a woman to have your child when you haven't got a shred of common sense in your head?

Diablo 3 is the 3rd game in the franchise. The team that worked on D3 is compeltely different from the team that worked on D2. That being said I think they did an ingenius job of updating an obviously out of date game. Unfortunately people like you are so stuck on the past all you can do is piss and moan about the differences to the point where you don't focus on the awesome updates.

-No more skill tree, you can now learn difference skills anytime you want, no more rerolling because you made a bad talent choice in your tree
-No more having to get people to help you swap items to different toons thanks to the shared stash that is also drastically increased in size
-No more having to find sneaky places to drop items in game to xfer them to other toons when no one was around to help you
-No more haunted trade channels for hours on end trying to find an item you want
-No more having to make "all4SoJ" games to get sojs because thats all anyone used as trade currency
-No more getting fucked over by trade scams
-No more getting stabbed in the back by scumbag in public games who bounce to town, flag, and kill you
-Updated graphics
-Destructible environment
-Nephalim Valor buff

But I am sure all of that is complete shit because poor you had to go to the AH to find an upgrade. Something that would not be a problem if you were actually good at the game. Also something that would not be an issue if you had the brains to sell good items you weren't using on the AH as well.

But whatever, keep acting like a manchild crying on unofficial forums about how you don't like a video game because its not the exact same as its prequel (rollseyes).

Also, I am a faithful fan that has played every Diablo game beginning to end on every difficulty. I ran an ebay store using D2 items, made more than 5k dollars doing it. As a faithful fan to the series I think Diablo 3 fixed everything that was shit about Diablo 1 and 2. But I guess my opinion as a faithful Diablo fan doesn't matter because it differs from yours and well, you can obviously cry louder than me.

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(I didn't intend to, but this turned out to be a long post)

VegasRage,

Yep, I know exactly how you feel... I felt like that too when I reached Nightmare for the first time.

You don't need the AH to progress through the game unless you want to farm for what you just did several times. In other words, you MUST use the AH to have a natural leveling progression. Although during the first wave of people you could gear extremely well for 5000 a piece, now you simply don't find those pieces for sale, as the number of players still leveling and thus selling low level gear is extremely smaller compared to the first weeks.

Despite the AH problem, I still feel that:
- In D2 you ran faster than 80% of the mobs. In D3, 80% of the mobs run faster than you. This alone is a pain in the butt, as you simply can't run away and shot.
- Life Steal and Mana Steal were completely destroyed, and this together with the previous line, you simply can't have the same gameplay, and thus the same fun, as you had in D2

That alone destroy the game for me. I've tried 4 of the 5 classes, several builds, and just found fun with the Barbarian Sprint / WW build. Why? Simple, because I CAN F_CKING WW FOREVER AND KILL MOBS. Is it that hard to understand?

For the Barbarian, it would be quite easy to solve the problem. All they had to do was create a passive skill or rune that allowed you to WW constantly while hitting one or lets say two mobs. WW gives barbs a lot of advantages, and I understand they not wanting to do that, but on the other hand, I simply don't have fun without that.

Now, Demon Hunter... I remember the Multi-shot amazon or Lightning Javelin awesomeness. I wanted it to be the same, to feel that cool. Can we do that? No, same shit as the barb, you just can't sustain your resources if you shoot constantly. People started using Evasive Fire with a rune to hit 3 mobs, which is a "mini multi-shot". So sad... But, to make things worse, you add to that the fact that you just can't outrun mobs. "Oh, but there is Vault, and disciple abilities, and..." F_ck off. If I run away, I should be able to run away, not give my back to get hit constantly without gaining distance.

Monks are pallys disguised. Heals, auras, bla bla. Difference is, you don't have hammers anymore. Thus, you get a lot of crits and use Sweeping Wind to poop tornados all over that will do what hammers did before... genius...

Without mana potions, the wizard would be useless if it was not for "Arcane Power on Crit". So, maybe this is one of the few classes that still can be played more similar to what you would do in D2, but there is no teleport fun and again, mobs outrun you.

The Witch Doctor is really the one that disappoints me the most. It is like the druid and necromancer of D2 decided to have a gay party and the Witch Doctor was born. Seriously. No arcane fun, no bone spells, no skelly army. Perhaps the Gargantuan is a good hit instead of the Golem, but with the CD is a joke. Then, from the druid part, no tornados (this one went the monk), no bears, and it goes.

Overall, the game is graphically stunning, but the gameplay, due to resource management and problem to gain terrain to do something, very crappy, IMHO.

I like the game, but wish it would be different on a few things.

Maybe you'll find something that will get you some fun. Even if you end up changing classes.

By the way, allow me to congratulate you on your gameplay. You did quite well in that video.

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Do you still remember the difference between D1 and D2 then? In D1, every class can learn all the spells from tomes and in D2 it is no longer possible, you call that consistent game-play? Games evolves over time, it is not a bad thing that every sequel has its new taste. If you want some help, post your profiles and then others can see what is the problem. DH is THE class all about damage and in your video your crit damage is lower than my WD normal damage in same difficulty, same act. There is something seriously wrong there.

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Hmm. I'm concerned that you spent $320 on this game, for starters. How did you manage that?

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I am pretty sure this isn't Diablo 1 or 2. So how exactly does it makes sense that you should not have to do these things in Diablo 3 when it isn't the same game? People really need to remove their heads from their asses and realize THIS IS NOT A D2 CLONE.

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Ok, I read the first post, this is ridiculous. Maybe you lost your gaming skills in the last 10 years, but if you can't do NM with self found gear, something is wrong, and it's not wrong with the game.

Remember what you did in D2 when you died to often? You went back one act, farmed a bit, and then go on. Works here too, at least up to and through Hell. With 1.0.4 I would even claim that you can eventually clear Inferno with self found gear, if you include crafting and a lot of time farming.

Also... why would you buy 4 collectors editions? Got carried away a bit here? And since you "love Diablo 3 normal mode", why do you still feel robbed?

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Why two DH's?

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I assumed you were trolling when you brought this up before.

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Besides, why do i remember that in d2 the drops were 99.9% crap just like in d3?

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Bud you're.... you're playing your DH all wrong.

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Use trade chat instead?

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Before anyone tells me I need to go to the auction house to buy better swag, or to build my character a special way, or play in a group setting understand I didn’t really need to do that in Diablo or Diablo 2. I don’t think I should have to go to the auction house to get good bling; I should be able to find that in the game like I always could before. I don’t think I should have to become character build expert to defeat nightmare mode, which was the original appeal to Diablo over other RPG games. I have a job and a lot of responsibilities, I don’t have time to obsess over my character build.

Before considering these options, you could :

1 - Use a follower
2 - Craft some gear ingame (I went 1-60 and killed Diablo in Hell without the AH and without coop)

If you're not going to use your gold for the AH, use it to craft. You're still using lvl 9 gloves ffs. It'll bring back fond memories of Gheed.

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edit: no time to obsess over a character build?

just try things out and experiment. You seem to have enough time to make videos and run for hours

no need to be obsessed, but at least try to make use of your resources.

I'm discussing the same issue on battlenet with posters there too, I think (and I knew this before I posted it) the issue is I have to go to the fricken AH for my gear, which I think royally sucks because I haven't found it in the game. So that is really my gripe here, I should be able to find everything I need in game. I'm in the Fields of Misery and I have found only 1 thing, some chest armor which stats are only partly better than my old armor in normal mode.

I have no interest in the AH, I have no plan on visiting Sanctuary's version of Ebay. I should be able to find adequate gear in the game, like both earlier versions of Diablo did, that would solve the problem right there. If Jay is so hell bent on people using the AH he could have at least integrated the feature with the merchants inside the game, that way at least you don't feel like you are being herded into some cheesy tool.

You should watch the youtube video (showing patch 1.0.4) before reading my comments.


When Diablo 1 launched in 98, I bought it and loved it. The game was entertaining; game-play scaled well keeping it interesting as I descended further down into the dungeon.

When Diablo 2 launched I bought that too, as before the game was entertaining and scaled well between each act and as you progressed from normal to nightmare. Hell mode was more than I cared for and I never bothered playing hardcore mode. I was happy with the normal and nightmare mode for a long time.

Diablo 3 launches, I play normal mode with all 5 characters first pass and I love it! Then I move onto nightmare mode, I quickly realize it’s a little tougher than nightmare mode in Diablo 2 but it’s still fun and think I’ll grow to like it. After taking out Leoric and moving onto the fields of misery it becomes apparent that the mini-bosses have crossed the line from challenging to just fricken ridiculous.

As you can see in the video I defeat them without dying, but instead of charging ahead with some challenge I have to fall back again and again to while firing on them. I don’t find this kind of game-play very fun at all, I’m supposed to be the !@# kicking hero of sanctuary; instead I’m the struggling hero who defeats my enemies by laughably beating them to death with my fly swatter while running for my life. It’s obvious my weapons and attacks do way too little damage.

Before anyone tells me I need to go to the auction house to buy better swag, or to build my character a special way, or play in a group setting understand I didn’t really need to do that in Diablo or Diablo 2. I don’t think I should have to go to the auction house to get good bling; I should be able to find that in the game like I always could before. I don’t think I should have to become character build expert to defeat nightmare mode, which was the original appeal to Diablo over other RPG games. I have a job and a lot of responsibilities, I don’t have time to obsess over my character build.

I love Diablo 3 normal mode. 10 years of anticipation and $320.00 buying a copy for me and each of my family, I kind of feel like I got robbed, it’s very disappointing.

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Hey, guys. I'm gonna tell you the story of how I got fucked over and lied to.

So I went on...

[all that mess]

If anyone wants to throw some advice my way, it'd be much appreciated. My parents don't think it's a good idea to continue association with this place, but I just wanted some other opinions as well. I feel very cheated and, frankly, I want no part in this. If anyone sees any sort of value in this, then I'd be happy to hear your opinion.