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Quote from "SmashBoy" »

That's okay, we'll play in the non-PK games of Diablo III and be quite content enjoying the game itself.

Cheers,
SmashBoy (doesn't feel like associating with the future murderers and rapists of the world)

SmashBoy... ive seen quite a few of your posts on this and other threads and after hearing your opinion on anything relating to diablo.. i think its safe to say that you a) don't belong on these pages, are probably an unskilled and unknowledgable gamer, and c) may have not even played the older diablos (this last one is debatable, it could just be choice

Quote from "DiabloFoggie" »

Acutally the DUTY of the player is to KILL DIABLO. Not each other. Last I checked that was the story line. .

By having an anti-PK setting and enabling the PK feature, you are acutally INCREASING your risk of PK'ers coming into your game. Plus you would be able to more easily find people in the community that acutally enjoy the risk. Like I said before, if so many people enjoy PK'ing I don't think there will be a problem. Besides, I myself could make chars where one I could have just regular MP and one for PK'ing if I wanted. I don't want to be FORCED to do ANYTHING in the game and loosing hard earned loot. If I don't want the risk, I want to be able to choose. Is it that difficult. All games have to change to a certian extent in order to be viable to todays gammers. If an anti-pk feature IS viable then why not include it? If it is not, then Blizzard can decide that and not us.

what fun is there in NOT being forced to engage in combat that you might not want to be. i guess its way more fun for you to go through the same old structed boss fight over and over with zero competition.

my main point here is that (even though blizzard seems to have forgot this since max schaefer left and also they have been catering to the WoW crowed for the last however many years) diablo was about the random instance of PvP in as much as it was about playing the actual game. To say any different and to suggest that the sequel should be any different is basically saying it shouldnt be another diablo game. Infact without PK this game will feel so different that it might as well be under a different name.

how can any Diablo fan wish to remove Pk from the game.. even if they didnt like PKing.

Quote from "SmashBoy" »

If that's what it has to be called to remove a blight from the gaming experience, sure thing.



Not too dissimilar from burglary, rape or murder in real life, is it?

not gonna even touch this cause its just plain stupid...

Not anymore. Adapt or die, son.

adapt to what? there is nothing to adapt to. you just play the game in the most boring way thinkable with no sort of interuptions or obstacles accept the game itself. Which wouldnt be too hard as everyone who is remotly good has always been able to solo diablo anyway. and maybe every once in a while popping into a duel game where people just stand at town line causing chaos for others to run into and die.

i think you mean adapt and be bored, because without PK diablo is a game you play through once or twice and then go back to your xbox.

Cheers,
SmashBoy (googling a Care Bear picture for his forum avatar)[/quote]

Quote from "DiabloFoggie" »

To counter question, why wouldn't you be able to accept that people might NOT want to be PK'ed once every 2 days and how do you think that EVERYBODY would set the anti-pk setting? ESPECIALLY if there are so many people really wanting to have the thrill of random PK'ing into the game? If so many people DO enjoy the aspects of PK'ing, then there would be alot more games than you say that would be open to such. Again I'm not trying to remove the aspect from the game. Only have things where if people do NOT want the risk they should not be forced to endure it and have bitter experiences in the game. Another option would be to set up PK'ing PvP servers for this, though a more expensive option for Blizzard.

Because the point of PKing is to set up an environment where it is NOT a choice. If someone clicks the PK button before making a game then it is completely consensual and no longer PK. Its just PvP at that point and i can get that experience in ANY game. One of the greatest aspects of D2 was how it revolutionized PvP by making it not a choice, but a duty. In the first 2 games, your forced to defend yourself, it was simply another part of the game. Thats how it is supposed to be in the diablo universe.

were in agreement that you like destroying a key-part of a good game.. yes sir

Quote from "belezeebub" »

A person after my own heart thank you. look for my PVPnotOk games in D3 anytime I have found some wonderfull people out there its a shame that a few bad eggs spoil the soup.

Id rather be a bad egg then a bad chicken... /points at you

The argument that we should be able to set games to PK or not is not viable. If that is implimented then everyone will set their games to non-pk and then the only games that will be PK-able would be duel games.. or games that will eventually be turned into duel games because PKers only have a choice of 1 or 2 out of thousands of games which they can join.
Why can't you people accept that you might get PKd once every 2 days.. its the damn game!

Quote from "ssa2204" »

One aspect clearly missing from Diablo 2 that exists in many other games is an in-game language filter. I play these games for fun and enjoyment, and I find no joy having to listen to little kiddies through temper tantrums when they don't get what they want.

Just yesterday my brother and I got online and made a game called "Act 4Hell". One person comes in and starts asking us over and over for a rush. My brother, who is more mature than me, even kindly states to them that we are already in Act4 and unable to do it. So how does he respond? He goes "Well f*** you you N***" and leaves. Sure he left, but we would much rather have seen him get booted off of Bnet for some time.

I also believe strongly that while the devs are working to make this game more coop, controls should still be inacted to basically force and encourage players to act accordingly. Sad it has to be this way, but my feeling is if kids can not act mature, then the game should have some filter to insure they do not incroach in other's entertainment.

Basically if you are a mature individual, this will never intrude on you. Better yet, you will no longer have to listen to immature brats who need a good smack on the head.

its called /ignore

Quote from "belezeebub" »

This might sound like sour grapes but plain and simple PVP can KMA I HATE PVP with a boundless rage that could single handedly bring the prime evils back from the dead.
PVP was the reason I stopped playing WOW, PVP was the reason I stopped playing Ultima online and PVP was the reason I stopped playing any of a dozen of other games over the years.
If I had a dollar for every time was in a nice friendly B-net game and some Cheating PVP @hole popped in and slaughtered my group I could afford to have Bill Gates mow my lawn. If I had a nickel for every time I started a game titled PVKnotok and had people Join and Harp about wanting to PVP me and my group or complain that it is there God Given rights to kill anyone they want to then Warren Buffett would be washing my dishes, heck if I had a Dime for every time I found two or three good solid players with low ping times and we were rocking Hell only to have some USDA choice Grade A rumpnuggett with a name like gotzyrearz pop in go hostile and follow my group around being a being a pest then Sam Walton’s kids would be waxing my Car.
I am sure there are good PVP’ers out there and I am sure there are PVP’ers that know when they are not wanted but I sure as all H E double hockey Sticks haven’t seen them. Been Playing Diablo, Diablo 2, star craft since the first week it was out never meet a PVP I liked so sorry to all the good PVP’ers out there but I am lumping you all together as bad eggs.

DOWN WITH PVP

Sounds like you should be playing with barbie and ken dolls...

You anti PKs are effectively sucking the life out of a great game.... you should know that.

Quote from "SpanishBard" »

http://bbs.d3cn.com/viewthread.php?tid=2753&extra=page%3D1

good thread.. he covers pretty much everything i feel about the anti-PK camp..

Quote from "OathofChaos" »

Easy, simple to use tools? Like what? /camp? /petition? So, I have to halt my gaming experience so you can enjoy an easy, no-skill kill? This game is not about you, or me... this game is about us, the players, the fans, those who love the game for what it is....

The game is an RPG with alot of content, alot of PvP.. and alot of PK... always has been and always SHOULD be.

If this is how the game always has been.. how can you say you love the game for what it is when you want to change it...

You obviously loved the game even though it had PK then.. why can't you let the game stay what it always has been then.. and love it again.

P.S.
Sorry for the multiple posts in a row.. took a night off and there are alot of new posts I want to reply to =)

Quote from "Daemaro" »

It interrupts gameplay, it's annoying so it drives people away, it doesn't provide anything to the gameplay itself just personal experiences of a few.

There are plenty of reasons.




What's the reason for it to stay? "I like to kill people."

Wow, awesome debate.

Had to quote this because one of the main arguments by anti-PKs is that its doesnt provide anything to gameplay.
Thats just not true. Part of diablo (a HUGE part) was the environment. With the actual game itself attempting to create a foreboding environment and then the dog-eat-dog mentality of most players, Blizzard successfully created the evil and diabolic aura which provided a feeling while playing diablo that was different then any other game.

People still progressed at a fast rate so there is no real argument that PvP subtracted anything from diablo except maybe a few broken keyboards... but it did add soemthing great that no other RPG has. An environment in tune with what the game is supposed to be.
Sure we can cut out PK and Diablo can turn into a game of brotherly-love where we prance through the daisies and occasionaly kill a few monsters together. But thats not enough to make Sanctuary a hellish and acopalyptic world. The feeling of being a lone-warrior is needed in a game like this.
In a world torn to pieces and swarming with hellish beasts... do you think there would be more cooperation between people or would the survival instinct kick in and every man starts providing for himself and his closest of friends?

I was all over this thread yesterday and then i left work.. anyway im back now and theres easily another 10 pages which im not gonna read.
I really only came back to say I understand what people are saying about not wanting to be "griefed"... but personally I still love and would want to see PK in D3 because to me its something that made diablo great. It was something I havnt seen in any other game yet. For people like me it was the thrill of the kill.. and not to grief people either because I would simply go in, kill, and then leave the person or group of people alone. No point in CCIng.. you already know you can kill the person.
I think there should def. be PK servers and non-PK servers because there are obviously die hard advocates on both sides of this argument. (You can tell we are die hard because we are debating it over a year in advance).

Now imagine the same system as in Diablo II being incorporated into Diablo III but with no hacks. It is actually a "challange" to PK someone. No Maphack... No Bots... just pure skill. That is the inhirent style of the game. Simply because a couple programs destroyed your trust in PK doesn't mean its flawed.
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