elemental damage increase is really really important
think of it this way. assuming your int is 10,000, 1000 more int will only increase the damage by 10% (although it does increase a little bit of AR as well) but only a few ancient items even have 1000int as an option. Also if your level is above 800, since you will only be increasing int with each paragon level increase, the damage increase through int will become less and less efficient. so does element damage increase do alot of work? absolutely. However, if you are using 4 skills with 4 different elements, I would rather choose int over element damage.
A very important thing you need to remember with frozen orb delsere build is that not only do the arrows that shoot out from the orb deal damage, but when the orb explodes, after it finishes traveling, the explosion also deals damage. So essentially what it means is you want to keep the distance between you and minions far enough so that not only will the arrows hit minions but the explosion from the orb will also hit minions. That means zei could be a better option than botp since zei can also stun minions.
what ffilps said is true. which is why I mentioned previously that for talrasha set using SS and tasker and theo at higher GR, half of the damage output is actually from mammoth hydra (not really exactly half but quite a lot).
Now I start to wonder would arcane orb with 6 set talrasha + triumvirate output more damage or arcane orb with 6set delsere + triumvirate output more damage?
Well you forgot to add the bonus damage from triumvirate and nifur's boot. Triumvirate can multiply your orb damage up to 4 times, Nilfur's boot can multiply your meteor damage up to 3 times. For Tal Rasha, correct me if I am wrong, but most of the meteor damage comes from fire meteor and arcane meteor, and these meteors output over double the damage of other meteors. I also believe the 6 set bonus from Delsere is actually additive? In addition I believe with people using talrasha set, only half of the damage comes from the meteors and the other half actually comes from mammoth hydra (this is only true if you are using tasker + Theo and serpent sparker and if you are playing at high level GR). Also don't forget a lot of Talrasha set users actually have meteor skill in their settings which means you can span meteor so your calculation with 0.5 meteor per second is kind of wrong. Ofcourse, you also get a huge defensive buff with the 4 set trait.
Because of Triumvirate and Nilfur's boot, Firebird is out of the question. Also firebird set takes time for your damage to go up to 3000% damage per second. But for the other two sets, stacking up the multiplier is actually pretty quick.
But you are right fire bird can be used for farming GR40~50 but why use firebird when farming with Talrasha or Delsere is much faster?
people are going up to grift 55 with this build, i went up to 50 and i dont even have ancient bk set. and if you are saying 55 is too low then i dont know what kind of briliant setting you play with?
of course with my build you need to do some control. Use war cry + bk set + furious charge ( furious charge trigger f&r too) for resource regen which is more resource than you need. use the movement while spinning to doge ranged attacks. Always look for packs but never spin in single location always spin across the pack.
I appreciate your concerns but never look down on other peopls build if you never even tried it.
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elemental damage increase is really really important
think of it this way. assuming your int is 10,000, 1000 more int will only increase the damage by 10% (although it does increase a little bit of AR as well) but only a few ancient items even have 1000int as an option. Also if your level is above 800, since you will only be increasing int with each paragon level increase, the damage increase through int will become less and less efficient. so does element damage increase do alot of work? absolutely. However, if you are using 4 skills with 4 different elements, I would rather choose int over element damage.
A very important thing you need to remember with frozen orb delsere build is that not only do the arrows that shoot out from the orb deal damage, but when the orb explodes, after it finishes traveling, the explosion also deals damage. So essentially what it means is you want to keep the distance between you and minions far enough so that not only will the arrows hit minions but the explosion from the orb will also hit minions. That means zei could be a better option than botp since zei can also stun minions.
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what ffilps said is true. which is why I mentioned previously that for talrasha set using SS and tasker and theo at higher GR, half of the damage output is actually from mammoth hydra (not really exactly half but quite a lot).
Now I start to wonder would arcane orb with 6 set talrasha + triumvirate output more damage or arcane orb with 6set delsere + triumvirate output more damage?
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Well you forgot to add the bonus damage from triumvirate and nifur's boot. Triumvirate can multiply your orb damage up to 4 times, Nilfur's boot can multiply your meteor damage up to 3 times. For Tal Rasha, correct me if I am wrong, but most of the meteor damage comes from fire meteor and arcane meteor, and these meteors output over double the damage of other meteors. I also believe the 6 set bonus from Delsere is actually additive? In addition I believe with people using talrasha set, only half of the damage comes from the meteors and the other half actually comes from mammoth hydra (this is only true if you are using tasker + Theo and serpent sparker and if you are playing at high level GR). Also don't forget a lot of Talrasha set users actually have meteor skill in their settings which means you can span meteor so your calculation with 0.5 meteor per second is kind of wrong. Ofcourse, you also get a huge defensive buff with the 4 set trait.
Because of Triumvirate and Nilfur's boot, Firebird is out of the question. Also firebird set takes time for your damage to go up to 3000% damage per second. But for the other two sets, stacking up the multiplier is actually pretty quick.
But you are right fire bird can be used for farming GR40~50 but why use firebird when farming with Talrasha or Delsere is much faster?
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Haha i dont know what you are talking about?
people are going up to grift 55 with this build, i went up to 50 and i dont even have ancient bk set. and if you are saying 55 is too low then i dont know what kind of briliant setting you play with?
of course with my build you need to do some control. Use war cry + bk set + furious charge ( furious charge trigger f&r too) for resource regen which is more resource than you need. use the movement while spinning to doge ranged attacks. Always look for packs but never spin in single location always spin across the pack.
I appreciate your concerns but never look down on other peopls build if you never even tried it.