Hmm well then. I just think the prime evils have control over his damned soul now.
Yes and no.
The thing with Bartuc to is, his existence is tied to his armor. I believe it's mentioned in Legacy of Blood that he was a champion of Diablo, and he was thus granted great powers which he used to imbue his armor even further. His bond became so intense, that he and the armor were basically one. When he was killed by Horazon, it would seem that his soul lived on within the armor. So, as long as the armor exists, Bartuc can never truly be killed. The armor simply need find a host, who eventually becomes corrupt, and takes on the mantle of the Warlord of Blood, as evidenced by Norrec in LoB when he begins refering to past events experienced by Bartuc as his own.
Bartuc is loyal to the Three, but he follows his own agenda (Which appears to be the pursuit of his brother). As for WHY he appears in Baal's throne room... I have no honest clue. I'd go as far as to guess that it was just a goof. That they needed a name for a boss, and they decided to throw that one on him. OOORRR (And this is a big or), in the time between the end of Legacy of Blood (Which happens some time before the hero enters Lut Gholein), and Lord of Destruction, Horazon managed to wrestle the soul of Bartuc from his armor, and sent him back to hell, thus rendering his armor into simple pieces of enchanted metal. Bartuc would probably then have become a servant of hell, and been mutated into the form encountered in the throne room.
-Ahem-
That aside, I'm thinking the picture may indeed be of Horazon. As Bartuc transfered his mind and essence into his armor, Horazon transfered his own within the Arcane sanctuary. As long as IT exists, so does he. IF we assume that he's vanquished his brother's soul from his armor, than Horazon would be free to return to his Sanctuary to continue doing whatever it is he does. Being knowledged as he is, the hero will probably have to find him and seek his aid.
But we can also consider it possible that instead of an ally, Horazon will be a threat. We know that the Prime Evils seek that which could give them any sort of advantage over the light (Diablo's corruption of Ureh, Mephisto's corruption of the Zakarum Council, and Baal's corruption of the Worldstone). They would definetly know of Horazons great magics, and thus would probably want to control him as well.
The reason I think it's Horazon is simply because of the similarities between himself and the Summoner who was supposedly posing as him. I'm going with Occam's Razor on this one.
Although, I do also like the one suggestion that it may also be Gregus Mazi...
This struck me as peculiar. I have no clue if this could have any pertinance to anything in the Diablo Lore, but... One of the laws of Entropy state that Chaos will ALWAYS triumph over Order. It's just the way of things.
If the same could be applied to the series, then we may have a reasoning on as to why Hell seems to have some sort of advantage over Heaven. Perhaps the balance of all things dictates that Chaos will triumph over Order?
Just a thought, I suppose. I'm probably way off in my thinking.
I fully expect we'll see Azmodan and Belial in the next game, but not as final bosses.
If you take the time to remember, Izual states that the Prime Evils orchestrated their own exile from hell. Meaning, they intended for the Lesser Evils to kick them out. It was part of the plan to eventually corrupt and destroy the Worldstone.
I honestly believe that in the 20 years between Diablo 2 and Diablo 3, the Prime Evils retake hell from Azmodan and Belial, and have each punished. Meaning we could quite possibly see Diablo and the other two once again. Which I'm perfectly okay with.
As for Tyreal being corrupt... I just don't see it happening. I figure he'll probably be cast out of Heaven, but I really don't see him turning to the side of Evil. If he were truly an agent of Hell in disguise, he would not have destroyed the Worldstone, as the corrupt worldstone created an imbalance that would have allowed Hell to take over Sanctuary and invade heaven, which is something the Prime Evils wanted.
Blizzard have not stated the any books other than the Sin War are official Canon. So Kabraxis may not be a canonical demon. At least until he appears in D3. Then we hare irrefutable proof he is canonical.
Really? I could have sworn I remember reading somewhere that all the novels were canon to the game.
Oh well, I guess we'll find out when D3 comes out.
I think that the new Diablo will actually be someone (Malic? Necromancer from D2 who went crazy?) who journeys to the abyss.. collects diablo's soul, and sort of SUCCESFULLY consumes it's powers.
If the worldstone still stood, I would agree. Unfortunately, with the worldstone destroyed Diablo no longer needs a human host. Mortals, also, cannot take a demons power. A demon has to empart upon them a part of their own power willingly.
As well, with the worldstone gone now, Diablo no longer NEEDS a human, as he can freely enter Sanctuary whenever he pleases.
I'm willing to bet that those are both early concept pictures for the cinematic movie. The cinematic design is probably what we should expect to see in the game.
Kabraxis from the Black Road is often reputed to be stronger than a Prime Evil. But it is unclear what he is up to now though. Also that book is not official canon either.
I thought he described himself as having more patience, while the Prime Evils were more confrontational demons. Krabraxis, over time, COULD possibly amass an army of devotees big enough to take down one of the Prime Evils and his legions, but I don't think he could take on all 3 at once. Especially not by himself.
Now, someone else raised a good point earlier: Darrick Lang. What would have happened to him after the worldstone was destroyed? I mean, Darrick states that he becomes the means by which the demon can return to the mortal realm, meaning Kabraxis was, essentially, bound to Darrick. The only thing keeping Kabraxis from returning was Stormfury, and Darricks willpower.
I'm thinking that with the worldstone gone, Kabraxis can now fully materialise in the world. Meaning Darrick Lang has probably long since met his demise come Diablo 3.
If we assume that the book takes place at around the same time as Diablo 2, and that Kabraxis has been free for the past 20 years, he could definetly pose quite the threat, as he would surely have amassed many more followers than before. I could easily see him being a first act boss of some sort.
Anyways, as to why there aren't anymore Prime Evils: I'm thinking because of the Balance that keeps the world of Sanctuary intact. The Balance dictates that when the Demons gain power, a balance is made with the light. If more Prime Evils came about, than more Prime Angels (The ones who I assume are for the most part in charge of the heavens) would come about. It works both ways, and there's no way to upset that balance.
If, however, the Prime Evils were to be COMPLETLY and utterly destroyed somehow, than I suppose we could assume new Prime Evils would be spawned to take their place.
I know I'm most likely just reitterating what several others have already mentioned, but Diablo is not dead. Neither are Mephisto or Baal. Or any other demon we killed in the series.
The purpose of the worldstone was to keep the denizens of Hell and Heaven out of the mortal plane. With the worldstone, a balance was created. However, the demons were able to bind themselves to objects, or even people, and cross over to the realm of mortals. Whenever the demons did so, the balance was upset, and a champion of the light would emerge to restore the balance.
Because of the soulstones that bound Diablo and his brothers to our world, they needed only hosts for which to exort their influence and gain physical manifestation in the world. Everytime the Prime Evils were killed, they were returned to their soulstones (Instead of being returned to the Abyss, as others have mentioned.).
When the hero destroys Mephistos and Diablos soulstone in the game, he's essentially cutting them off from returning to the mortal world.
Now, with the worldstone gone, there exists no more walls between Hell and the Mortal plane, and thus, Diablo and his brothers are able to travel between them at will. But the same applies to the Angels of Heaven.
ANYWAYS... We know that Diablo and his brothers were initally casted out of hell by the 4 Lesser evils (Andariel, Duriel, Azmodan, and Belial). Eventually, Andariel and Duriel realligned themselves with the Prime Evils, and control over Hell was left to be fought over by Azmodan and Belial, and thus a civil war broke out in hell.
(Speculation, from here on) I'm thinking when Diablo and his brothers returned from the Abyss, they regained control over Hell. I know, you might think it sucks, but we may have to face Diablo once again. And in Diablo 4? Yeah. We'll probably fight him again.
Unfortunately, the demons are immortal (For the most part) and the only way to get rid of them for good, is by binding them and sealing them away, and ensuring that they cannot exort their influence anywhere in the world.
As for Lucifer being introduced - Not to likely, I'm afraid. Inarius, an already introduced angels, is already quite similar to Lucifer.
I wouldn't at all mind seeing Tristram again. However, I have doubts it'll ever make a return (aside from a possible aside-comment by one of the games NPCs). Tristram was completly destroyed. NOTHING of it remains. Even the king and his council were killed. So hope of it being rebuilt are unlikely. The only reason to return would be to fetch an object of important value that may or may not be hidden there.
... OR. (Crazy thought) With the Worldstone gone, Diablo and the prime evils can set up shop on Earth. SO. Tristram becomes Diablos base of operations. So, a hell-spawned tristram really.
Or, something even different: Have Tristram appear to the hero as a peaceful, and uncorrupt village. Have him do some quests for a couple towns people and BAM. You find out the man claiming to be the town mayor/elder is actually Diablo and that the town was actually in ruins and chaos, and the townspeople were actually shambling zombies. (Yeah, like in that one Diablo novel.)
No, yeah. Tristram would definetly be cool to see again.
Thanks for the answer, well how about asmodan and belail? would they be comparable to the prime evils? weakest to strongest if you can/may list them in your opinion oO
Well, paired up with Andariel and Duriel, they managed to best the Prime Evils.... So, yeah, I'd say they're quite comparable to the prime evils.
Ranking in terms of strength, I'd say:
-Diablo: Definetly the strongest. He lives of fear, and uses it as his main weapon.
-Baal: A very chaotic demon, but not quite on par with Diablo.
-Mephisto: While he doesn't appear to be all that strong compared to the other 2, I'd say Mephisto is the wisest of the Prime Evils.
-Azmodan/Belial: We still don't know much about them, but I can guess they're stronger than both Andariel and Duriel.
-Duriel: He's faster, and definetly stronger than Andariel.
-Andariel: You know, she's the granddaughter of Mephisto eh? Anyways, she's weaker than the others, but still strong in her own regard.
i cant remember, who is asmodan? it seems he should ahve a larger role of what ive heard of him, and i know of few lessers belail, andariel, i guess i would consider the hellforge smith?
Azmodan is the Lord of Sin, and together, with Belial, the lord of Lies, they took over Hell and banished the Prime Evils. Not much else is known about either, except that they're in a Civil war at the moment, over control of Hell.
This would also be interesting to see how this ties in to the Civil war in hell. Would the prime evils take over once again? Or will hell turn against them yet again? Currently Hell is being controlled by Belial and Azmodan in a civil war against each side. There's a lot Blizzard could do to make an interesting D3 which takes place after 2.
Unfortunately for Belial and Azmodan, after the Exodus of the Prime Evils, Andariel and Duriel re-alligned themselves with the Prime Evils. So, it would essentially be 5 against 2. I can only assume that the Prime Evils will regain control.
diablo is red, baal yellow, mephistopholes is blue, what about andy and belail?, and when did belail become a worm is what i want to know
Duriel, perhaps?
Andariel and Duriel are a special case. It's never explicitly stated how they can exist on the mortal world with the Worldstone still in place. I'm assuming, however, that they lingered in the Mortal realm as spirits. They needed to find a weak-minded host, who would not be able to will them out.
The difference with them and the Prime Evils, is that when Andariel and Duriel are killed, they are sent straight back to hell. With the Prime Evils, they're sent back to their Soulstones.
Well if anyone knows the lore of the Sin War and whatnot can tell me there opinion in terms of strength who is the strongest out of all the evil in Diablo? Sorry if I'm being partially retarded =o
Diablo, is essentially the strongest. When the Horadrim were binding the Prime Evils to their soulstones, Diablo was the last to be bound, and was also the hardest.
The other Prime Evils are comparable, but, Diablo is still the stronger.
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Yes and no.
The thing with Bartuc to is, his existence is tied to his armor. I believe it's mentioned in Legacy of Blood that he was a champion of Diablo, and he was thus granted great powers which he used to imbue his armor even further. His bond became so intense, that he and the armor were basically one. When he was killed by Horazon, it would seem that his soul lived on within the armor. So, as long as the armor exists, Bartuc can never truly be killed. The armor simply need find a host, who eventually becomes corrupt, and takes on the mantle of the Warlord of Blood, as evidenced by Norrec in LoB when he begins refering to past events experienced by Bartuc as his own.
Bartuc is loyal to the Three, but he follows his own agenda (Which appears to be the pursuit of his brother). As for WHY he appears in Baal's throne room... I have no honest clue. I'd go as far as to guess that it was just a goof. That they needed a name for a boss, and they decided to throw that one on him. OOORRR (And this is a big or), in the time between the end of Legacy of Blood (Which happens some time before the hero enters Lut Gholein), and Lord of Destruction, Horazon managed to wrestle the soul of Bartuc from his armor, and sent him back to hell, thus rendering his armor into simple pieces of enchanted metal. Bartuc would probably then have become a servant of hell, and been mutated into the form encountered in the throne room.
-Ahem-
That aside, I'm thinking the picture may indeed be of Horazon. As Bartuc transfered his mind and essence into his armor, Horazon transfered his own within the Arcane sanctuary. As long as IT exists, so does he. IF we assume that he's vanquished his brother's soul from his armor, than Horazon would be free to return to his Sanctuary to continue doing whatever it is he does. Being knowledged as he is, the hero will probably have to find him and seek his aid.
But we can also consider it possible that instead of an ally, Horazon will be a threat. We know that the Prime Evils seek that which could give them any sort of advantage over the light (Diablo's corruption of Ureh, Mephisto's corruption of the Zakarum Council, and Baal's corruption of the Worldstone). They would definetly know of Horazons great magics, and thus would probably want to control him as well.
The reason I think it's Horazon is simply because of the similarities between himself and the Summoner who was supposedly posing as him. I'm going with Occam's Razor on this one.
Although, I do also like the one suggestion that it may also be Gregus Mazi...
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This struck me as peculiar. I have no clue if this could have any pertinance to anything in the Diablo Lore, but... One of the laws of Entropy state that Chaos will ALWAYS triumph over Order. It's just the way of things.
If the same could be applied to the series, then we may have a reasoning on as to why Hell seems to have some sort of advantage over Heaven. Perhaps the balance of all things dictates that Chaos will triumph over Order?
Just a thought, I suppose. I'm probably way off in my thinking.
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If you take the time to remember, Izual states that the Prime Evils orchestrated their own exile from hell. Meaning, they intended for the Lesser Evils to kick them out. It was part of the plan to eventually corrupt and destroy the Worldstone.
I honestly believe that in the 20 years between Diablo 2 and Diablo 3, the Prime Evils retake hell from Azmodan and Belial, and have each punished. Meaning we could quite possibly see Diablo and the other two once again. Which I'm perfectly okay with.
As for Tyreal being corrupt... I just don't see it happening. I figure he'll probably be cast out of Heaven, but I really don't see him turning to the side of Evil. If he were truly an agent of Hell in disguise, he would not have destroyed the Worldstone, as the corrupt worldstone created an imbalance that would have allowed Hell to take over Sanctuary and invade heaven, which is something the Prime Evils wanted.
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Really? I could have sworn I remember reading somewhere that all the novels were canon to the game.
Oh well, I guess we'll find out when D3 comes out.
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If the worldstone still stood, I would agree. Unfortunately, with the worldstone destroyed Diablo no longer needs a human host. Mortals, also, cannot take a demons power. A demon has to empart upon them a part of their own power willingly.
As well, with the worldstone gone now, Diablo no longer NEEDS a human, as he can freely enter Sanctuary whenever he pleases.
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I thought he described himself as having more patience, while the Prime Evils were more confrontational demons. Krabraxis, over time, COULD possibly amass an army of devotees big enough to take down one of the Prime Evils and his legions, but I don't think he could take on all 3 at once. Especially not by himself.
Now, someone else raised a good point earlier: Darrick Lang. What would have happened to him after the worldstone was destroyed? I mean, Darrick states that he becomes the means by which the demon can return to the mortal realm, meaning Kabraxis was, essentially, bound to Darrick. The only thing keeping Kabraxis from returning was Stormfury, and Darricks willpower.
I'm thinking that with the worldstone gone, Kabraxis can now fully materialise in the world. Meaning Darrick Lang has probably long since met his demise come Diablo 3.
If we assume that the book takes place at around the same time as Diablo 2, and that Kabraxis has been free for the past 20 years, he could definetly pose quite the threat, as he would surely have amassed many more followers than before. I could easily see him being a first act boss of some sort.
Anyways, as to why there aren't anymore Prime Evils: I'm thinking because of the Balance that keeps the world of Sanctuary intact. The Balance dictates that when the Demons gain power, a balance is made with the light. If more Prime Evils came about, than more Prime Angels (The ones who I assume are for the most part in charge of the heavens) would come about. It works both ways, and there's no way to upset that balance.
If, however, the Prime Evils were to be COMPLETLY and utterly destroyed somehow, than I suppose we could assume new Prime Evils would be spawned to take their place.
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The purpose of the worldstone was to keep the denizens of Hell and Heaven out of the mortal plane. With the worldstone, a balance was created. However, the demons were able to bind themselves to objects, or even people, and cross over to the realm of mortals. Whenever the demons did so, the balance was upset, and a champion of the light would emerge to restore the balance.
Because of the soulstones that bound Diablo and his brothers to our world, they needed only hosts for which to exort their influence and gain physical manifestation in the world. Everytime the Prime Evils were killed, they were returned to their soulstones (Instead of being returned to the Abyss, as others have mentioned.).
When the hero destroys Mephistos and Diablos soulstone in the game, he's essentially cutting them off from returning to the mortal world.
Now, with the worldstone gone, there exists no more walls between Hell and the Mortal plane, and thus, Diablo and his brothers are able to travel between them at will. But the same applies to the Angels of Heaven.
ANYWAYS... We know that Diablo and his brothers were initally casted out of hell by the 4 Lesser evils (Andariel, Duriel, Azmodan, and Belial). Eventually, Andariel and Duriel realligned themselves with the Prime Evils, and control over Hell was left to be fought over by Azmodan and Belial, and thus a civil war broke out in hell.
(Speculation, from here on) I'm thinking when Diablo and his brothers returned from the Abyss, they regained control over Hell. I know, you might think it sucks, but we may have to face Diablo once again. And in Diablo 4? Yeah. We'll probably fight him again.
Unfortunately, the demons are immortal (For the most part) and the only way to get rid of them for good, is by binding them and sealing them away, and ensuring that they cannot exort their influence anywhere in the world.
As for Lucifer being introduced - Not to likely, I'm afraid. Inarius, an already introduced angels, is already quite similar to Lucifer.
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20 years, as per the FAQ.
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I'm thinking that as well...
I'm also thinking they may post it now, because they know alot of people are waiting on this.
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That seems just a tad immoral if you ask me. Maybe a bit extreme. But I admire the zealousness.
Anyways. I'm totally pumped. And after the teaser picture gets updated, I plan on taking a little nap until the WWI starts...
This hype has been doing horrible things to my sleeping habits as of late.
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... OR. (Crazy thought) With the Worldstone gone, Diablo and the prime evils can set up shop on Earth. SO. Tristram becomes Diablos base of operations. So, a hell-spawned tristram really.
Or, something even different: Have Tristram appear to the hero as a peaceful, and uncorrupt village. Have him do some quests for a couple towns people and BAM. You find out the man claiming to be the town mayor/elder is actually Diablo and that the town was actually in ruins and chaos, and the townspeople were actually shambling zombies. (Yeah, like in that one Diablo novel.)
No, yeah. Tristram would definetly be cool to see again.
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Well, paired up with Andariel and Duriel, they managed to best the Prime Evils.... So, yeah, I'd say they're quite comparable to the prime evils.
Ranking in terms of strength, I'd say:
-Diablo: Definetly the strongest. He lives of fear, and uses it as his main weapon.
-Baal: A very chaotic demon, but not quite on par with Diablo.
-Mephisto: While he doesn't appear to be all that strong compared to the other 2, I'd say Mephisto is the wisest of the Prime Evils.
-Azmodan/Belial: We still don't know much about them, but I can guess they're stronger than both Andariel and Duriel.
-Duriel: He's faster, and definetly stronger than Andariel.
-Andariel: You know, she's the granddaughter of Mephisto eh? Anyways, she's weaker than the others, but still strong in her own regard.
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Azmodan is the Lord of Sin, and together, with Belial, the lord of Lies, they took over Hell and banished the Prime Evils. Not much else is known about either, except that they're in a Civil war at the moment, over control of Hell.
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Unfortunately for Belial and Azmodan, after the Exodus of the Prime Evils, Andariel and Duriel re-alligned themselves with the Prime Evils. So, it would essentially be 5 against 2. I can only assume that the Prime Evils will regain control.
Duriel, perhaps?
Andariel and Duriel are a special case. It's never explicitly stated how they can exist on the mortal world with the Worldstone still in place. I'm assuming, however, that they lingered in the Mortal realm as spirits. They needed to find a weak-minded host, who would not be able to will them out.
The difference with them and the Prime Evils, is that when Andariel and Duriel are killed, they are sent straight back to hell. With the Prime Evils, they're sent back to their Soulstones.
Diablo, is essentially the strongest. When the Horadrim were binding the Prime Evils to their soulstones, Diablo was the last to be bound, and was also the hardest.
The other Prime Evils are comparable, but, Diablo is still the stronger.