Just checked the MurboMud forums and so far only one "thud only" user confirming they got banned. Guess we'll have to wait and see how many more pop-up.
Beware: Someone is going to come in here and have something to say about "you don't have to play the meta" etc etc and all the other stale discussions that come with it, but it really does get boring not being able to play what you like while still being competitive and being able to play with others without scrutiny (just in general).
So I'm rank 1 paragon NA now at 3130 by playing 16 hours a day on average. Got Rank #1 4 player and 2 of my team got banned so I guess my 4p clear should be removed?
Absolutely. Reasons have been outlined in this thread shortly after the post that incited you to give such a response. Continue on for further explanation.
It's not the players job to be the botting police lol.
First off: I could be wrong but I don't think anyone was implying it was a responsibility, however you can refer to what Bagstone stated earlier about top players running in groups. I absolutely agree what he had to say. Secondly: When someone with as much popularity/notoriety as yourself makes it a point to broadcast their play sessions to the public (and respond to the community even though no one was implying you were a cheater as far as I can recall) then yes. You should be taking into consideration what kind of players you're running with.
In some ways I agree, but nothing excuses cheating. Also, you do realize how bad this makes you look right? It implies that you advocate/participate in/practice botting.
You should be able to play this game 6-8 hours a day and not feel like you are at a huge handicap because you are doing 70% less damage than the top paragon players.
You get out of the game what you put into it. If you have to cheat to get more out of it then you are in the wrong. If you are comparing your accomplishments to cheaters then I suggest you avoid that like the rest of the legitimate players.
Not only does this make people feel like they can't compete but it also splits the player base where groups of people only play with others around the same paragon lvl for efficiency reasons.
In a hypothetical scenario where botting and cheating doesn't exist, people will always seek to play with those of equal skill. When it comes to video games based around gear and stats those two factors will always affect the initial impression when deciding when to play with someone or not. There is no way around it.
I hate to speak the truth but you guys think this ban wave fixes the game are wrong.
Fairly certain (could be wrong) that that was never expressed explicitly nor implied. In fact most here are stating they are glad it happened and it's a good way to respond to the concerns of the community.
With all that said, you probably should have kept your thoughts to yourself. I considered you an OK guy and a legitimate player until you posted this. I still think you play legitimately, but then again I'm not going to watchdog you and I don't really have much time to pay attention to streamers in general. However, I was expecting a little bit more intelligence from you. A game that's designed in a way that you don't agree with doesn't mean it's flawed and it never excuses cheating. But everyone is entitled to their opinion I suppose.
Looking at a lot of the forums for the bots it looks like d3helper, ROSbot and demon buddy users all got banned. Doesn't look like it's centralized to just one or two. Quite a few of them are saying that that they didn't start botting until after the tripwire event from demonbuddy. Probably just something that's been on going for awhile.
I felt like I had to create an account just to reply to this thread. No cap on paragon, no diminishing returns on paragon!!!!!!! I don't get to play this game all that often. I don't bot, I don't give a damn about leaderboards. It did take me a very long time to reach paragon 1,000 because I'm only able to play solo due to having a 1 year old that could wake up at anytime. I actually enjoy the grind for paragon because 5 main stat is worth the grind. To give us 2 main stat after 1k paragon or totally taking away the points after 2k makes it completely pointless to play after that point, for me at least, because there becomes no progression! Progression is what makes an RPG. Diablo is an ARPG. Don't take that away from me! I have all near perfect ancients on the characters I actually play, so paragon is the only reward I get for playing, but it's still a reward, and I'm fine with that.
You have near perfect ancients and 1k paragon on season and call yourself casual intresting.
I think your definition of casual and Qqfuzz's definition of casual differs. It's entirely possible for someone to play for 3 hours a night Monday through Friday, not play on the weekends and get to 1000 paragon during this season. In fact a lot of players in public games are reaching that amount of paragon and we still have a little less than a month left in season 5. For the most part it's really safe to say that "playing video games in your spare time" is still casual gaming. He also didn't state that he was playing seasonal. Considering his situation that he mentioned and that he plays solo, it's highly likely that he acquired his gear over a longer period of time playing the normal side of the game.
If Captcha never works etc, why do 99% of respectable sites use it?
Those are web sites. CAPTCHA challenges are common on a per transaction basis for certain processes and you don't normally see them on a single site more than once a day. Implementing CAPTCHA challenges in a video game would have to be presented more than once during a players session in order to be effective. I don't know what your feelings are about that scenario but It would bug the ever living azmodoodoo out of me.
Yes, we know those papers. (Note that they're very dated - especially the last one was written just shortly after modern CAPTCHAs were invented by Luis van Ahn). But that's only half the research - you can find as many papers that will tell you that CAPTCHAs don't work. There are two big issues:
Given a grace period of development, bots (i.e., in that case OCR programs or similar stuff) are always better or at least just as good as solving CAPTCHAs - which means that you might keep more legit players out of rifts than bots. You can actually find follow-up papers that show this if you look up the papers on ACM/IEEE and look at the citations.
As those papers also acknowledge and simply point to future work, the usability of CAPTCHAs suck. Even the first paper that introduces the mini-games says that it's an approach, but usability was not thoroughly tested. TL;DR if you follow up that research chain: usability sucks. Hell, you could make a case for trials being the GR captchas - can't be any more embedded into the game. I don't need to tell you what the response would be.
CAPTCHAs are not and will never be the solution to bots in Diablo 3. Citing half the research and only from journals that do not take into account game design and user experience is just distorting the truth.
Just to clarify: I wasn't advocating the use of CAPTCHA's as a solution. Quite the opposite actually.
Their is a lot of negative feedback about game captcha's and how they make the games aggravating to play. The articles above are a very interesting read though.
Keep in mind that any process that get's sped up brings the player closer to the point of not wanting to play. It's not that "blizzard doesn't want you to do it", it's "blizzard wants you to get a lot of replay out of a game you paid for". It's what their studio is all about. When you buy a blizzard game you know it's a game you're going to get a lot of hours out of. So just remember, any time you want the extra work taken out of something remember the complaints of people saying "Nobody is playing seasons. Two weeks in. All my friends are playing other games."
I still think the extra reward for the GR to gem level gap should be done though. You should not only be rewarded for time spent but be rewarded for capability. It applies to every player differently since not every player can farm the same GR level so you wind up with different results.
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Just checked the MurboMud forums and so far only one "thud only" user confirming they got banned. Guess we'll have to wait and see how many more pop-up.
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Looks like another ban wave went out. A really big one. Moved from rank 107 to rank 73.
Here's the updated spreadsheet for 2's team rankings after cleanup:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A_Ldl8cHaISxRBcUXdBN5qUgzfK9ocdV6HD3WcssPr8/edit#gid=1110269617
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Yup. Was around 120 (didn't check last night before logging off) for seasonal 2's now we're at 107. Must have been some real hurt.
Edit: If anyone's curious I cleaned up the board and removed any single ranks for NA 2's for my teams rank and higher:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A_Ldl8cHaISxRBcUXdBN5qUgzfK9ocdV6HD3WcssPr8/edit#gid=0
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Absolutely.
Beware: Someone is going to come in here and have something to say about "you don't have to play the meta" etc etc and all the other stale discussions that come with it, but it really does get boring not being able to play what you like while still being competitive and being able to play with others without scrutiny (just in general).
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Ask and ye shall receive.
Absolutely. Reasons have been outlined in this thread shortly after the post that incited you to give such a response. Continue on for further explanation.
First off: I could be wrong but I don't think anyone was implying it was a responsibility, however you can refer to what Bagstone stated earlier about top players running in groups. I absolutely agree what he had to say. Secondly: When someone with as much popularity/notoriety as yourself makes it a point to broadcast their play sessions to the public (and respond to the community even though no one was implying you were a cheater as far as I can recall) then yes. You should be taking into consideration what kind of players you're running with.
This has already been addressed in several discussions how it's irrelevant to the ban wave or botting in general.
In some ways I agree, but nothing excuses cheating. Also, you do realize how bad this makes you look right? It implies that you advocate/participate in/practice botting.
You get out of the game what you put into it. If you have to cheat to get more out of it then you are in the wrong. If you are comparing your accomplishments to cheaters then I suggest you avoid that like the rest of the legitimate players.
In a hypothetical scenario where botting and cheating doesn't exist, people will always seek to play with those of equal skill. When it comes to video games based around gear and stats those two factors will always affect the initial impression when deciding when to play with someone or not. There is no way around it.
Fairly certain (could be wrong) that that was never expressed explicitly nor implied. In fact most here are stating they are glad it happened and it's a good way to respond to the concerns of the community.
With all that said, you probably should have kept your thoughts to yourself. I considered you an OK guy and a legitimate player until you posted this. I still think you play legitimately, but then again I'm not going to watchdog you and I don't really have much time to pay attention to streamers in general. However, I was expecting a little bit more intelligence from you. A game that's designed in a way that you don't agree with doesn't mean it's flawed and it never excuses cheating. But everyone is entitled to their opinion I suppose.
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Looking at a lot of the forums for the bots it looks like d3helper, ROSbot and demon buddy users all got banned. Doesn't look like it's centralized to just one or two. Quite a few of them are saying that that they didn't start botting until after the tripwire event from demonbuddy. Probably just something that's been on going for awhile.
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So far no. He's still on the seasonal leaderboards for solo monk.
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Me and my 2's partner were rank 118 as of last night. Now we're 99. It pays to be a legit gamer up in this hizzy. :Thumbs Up:
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What class are you transmogrifying these items onto? What color dyes are you using?
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I think your definition of casual and Qqfuzz's definition of casual differs. It's entirely possible for someone to play for 3 hours a night Monday through Friday, not play on the weekends and get to 1000 paragon during this season. In fact a lot of players in public games are reaching that amount of paragon and we still have a little less than a month left in season 5. For the most part it's really safe to say that "playing video games in your spare time" is still casual gaming. He also didn't state that he was playing seasonal. Considering his situation that he mentioned and that he plays solo, it's highly likely that he acquired his gear over a longer period of time playing the normal side of the game.
Those are web sites. CAPTCHA challenges are common on a per transaction basis for certain processes and you don't normally see them on a single site more than once a day. Implementing CAPTCHA challenges in a video game would have to be presented more than once during a players session in order to be effective. I don't know what your feelings are about that scenario but It would bug the ever living azmodoodoo out of me.
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Someone mentioned captcha's so I thought I would post some stuff I came across while looking into it a couple years ago.
http://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=10871&context=infopapers
https://www.cis.uab.edu/saxena/docs/mohamed-asiaccs2014.pdf
https://www.parc.com/content/attachments/keeping-bots-out.pdf
Their is a lot of negative feedback about game captcha's and how they make the games aggravating to play. The articles above are a very interesting read though.
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Keep in mind that any process that get's sped up brings the player closer to the point of not wanting to play. It's not that "blizzard doesn't want you to do it", it's "blizzard wants you to get a lot of replay out of a game you paid for". It's what their studio is all about. When you buy a blizzard game you know it's a game you're going to get a lot of hours out of. So just remember, any time you want the extra work taken out of something remember the complaints of people saying "Nobody is playing seasons. Two weeks in. All my friends are playing other games."
I still think the extra reward for the GR to gem level gap should be done though. You should not only be rewarded for time spent but be rewarded for capability. It applies to every player differently since not every player can farm the same GR level so you wind up with different results.