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Name : Ran

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Info : Full ancient season barb streaming 60+ speedrifts and 70+ progress

So youre pretty much using typical t6 build. I am pissed off that we have to use bul-kathos. Would it be hard for blizzard to buff all single target abilities by 200%, why cant they learn from other great game companies. Meelee is always harder than ranged, this is true in any game (that is if you can play).

Is it possible with enough cdr to get charge without cd now ? It should be around 60% cdr which is quite easy to get, isnt it better than frenzy ?

dps barb sure has potential but if you meet all elites with reflect fire chains you can say bye bye to the rift in time or immovable mobs youre fucked, or lot of ranged, you name it

What I am not saying this is best build ever, i am just saying it works and is comparable with other builds. I myself play crus 90% of time now. Saying this build is inferior is bullshit, have you even tried ?

Barb is rly bad on rift guardians (as dps and support, doesnt matter), freeze has diminishing return and after few charges you dont lock boss at all. Crusader can keep blinding forever even if its just for 0,5 sec.

I dont have 20 nolife hours a day to play. I hate trials, i would rather upgrade key 8x to get to 51 key than to be 10 minutes in trials. Also i dont aim for the highest gr ever, I aim for fun and this build is the most hillarious build ever.

Yet it takes 100x more tries to make the ladder position. You have to be extremely lucky to make high grift with dps barb.

So after driving my crusader for a while and playing on high GR levels (also played some GR with my dps barb 49+) i think i can safely compare the advantages for those 3 specs.

zdps crus : it took me some time to learn to use the horse properly, but as soon as you learn this you are great support for the group

+ large dps buffs
+ aoe blind and root on monsters
+ some boss dont move at all when you cc them
+ scouting ahead few screens
+ moving 5 mobs with horse (usefull if you meet 2 elite packs)
+ you can easily proc 30% dmg from bracers (stand on place and use horse)

- when youre scouting or moving away from group, your group has no dps buffs
- some ranged dps and casters can oneshot you
- when there are many mobs moving from all sides you will have problems

zdps barb : again this takes much practice till you learn how to charge properly without leaving any mobs behind

+ taunt - basically you can just run and keep spamming the shout and none of your dps can ever die
+ mob grouping - you can make any density level work because you can pull whole map and make huge aoe situations
+ 10% rend dmg
+ sprint - might not seem like important but this helps party a lot
+ charming mobs - charmed elites do huge dmg and charmed elites dont use many affixes (fire chain, thunderstorm etc)
+ easy no risk scouting while gathering mobs
+ you can ress anybody at any time because in ignore pain you are immune to the attacks breaking the ressurection bar, you have high thoughness, when your party dies you can always ress them
+ very easy scouting and pylon hunting

- less dps buffs than other tanks
- boss can move when your freeze is on diminishing
- huge lags when you aoe whole map (usually you kill all trash in the lag but the elites kill your whole party while youre in lag)

dps barb : this doesnt take much skill, your only concern is ranged mob that will kill you when you dont see them


+ huge aoe dps (i mean huge), when you meet canals you can clear whole lvl alone
+ good scouting options, easy pylon hunting
+ moving mobs (you cannot let elites cast affixes or you die, so this means shorter charges)
+ feeling like on t6 on GR50

- you need good rift with good density always
- very low survivability and thoughness
- almost useless on some rift guardians
- no dps buff

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I watched your video and to be honest your play style isnt very efficient for the build. You do a lot of kiting backwards and waiting for the elites to die instead of kiting forward and pulling more mobs with you.

Because when you pull more mobs on hc you die forever. Yeah

great job man !

Ill record 50 with good quality soon.

Best is to give it a try. When i compare my crusader rifts when i try as hard as i can and pull as many mobs as i can and provide the buffs 100% i can still see the difference when i log my barbarian and it goes faster. It might not seem that the aoe is such a huge difference but then think about you going solo with barb and clearing the rift in 5 minutes and summoning the boss right away because you aoe it all down.

Anyway any good ranged dps is able to avoid elite affixes by outranging them, nowadays its hard to find ppl that understand this, maybe in the future more ranged dps will get the skill for this.

The video you posted is simply the best map for barbarian, cannot argue with that and i think with tank barb it would be faster, also they caught boss with very low HP. Simple luck, cant see dps barb be usefull in medium density.

Is it so with the skull ? Have you tested it recently, i can see very high dps difference when i take the neck on. Anyway the charmed status makes up for the dmg boosts that barb doesnt have, elites just kill each other easily.

Yes you are right, i think barb needs some cheat death passive. The relentless passive is useless and not fun at all, rolling in the rift with red screen glowing because your hp is low and you cannot get it up with life per fury.

The worst problem for barb is the lag. You can pretty much see the lag progress from morning. In the morning you can pull whole rift with charge, little later midday you can aoe small packs and at nights its just unplayable with 10 mobs doing 1 sec server lags.

Barb group buffs / monster debuffs while tanking :

10% additional dmg for whole group from rend

35% extra dmg from charmed mobs (this counts on the mobs even if you leave the group and it lasts until they die with inspiring presence)

charmed elites affixes do great dmg against their friends, molten melts other elites

charmed mobs tank each other

20% reduced dmg on mobs that you shout at

all mobs you shout at are taunted = no ranged or meelee mob dmg for any of your group

sprint for when the rift density is bad

barb freeze from charge is the longest best controlled cc on boss = high bane of the trapped proc on rift guardian

you can tank rift guardian on place without moving because you have extreme healing ability

you dont need any resist neck taktics_andrew, you have extreme thoughness with barb

+ i have crusader tank (with similar gear as my barb) and i run same lvl grifts with him, i can never have so many succesful grifts with crusader because of rift density problems (i dont play much, so this is very important for me to have succesful rifts), also it is so fucking boring, if you play barb on high gr you will never want to play crusader

if you meet bad density with barb you just drag all the mobs while spamming sprint for your party and you go to another floor

with barb tank you make great aoe situations so you are not limited to demon hunters, you can use mage no problem

saying barb tank is a "-" for your group is just you admitting you cant make it work

Not in time but from my experience it should be cake as soon as they fix the server lag, much better than crus or monk. And when they fix the lag it will be IMHO such a difference that crus and monk loose jobs ;].

Watch the movie, basically you have 100% uptime on ignore pain with 5000 life per fury, you dont need any other healing. When you use rend and sprint you will use 40 fury = 40x5000 = 200000 life per second. In the movie my health often jumps from 10%-100%, must be fun watching your tank hp as dps :)). It is good to watch your fury and have full fury bar for healing if you see any hard elites, the biggest problems are fire chains and frozen - insane dmg.

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Another interesting fact is that if you want to play barb tank to its full strength blizzard will have to fix their servers. Imagine barb tank in canals map dragging the whole map into wds fear & piranhas and summoning rift boss in less than 5 minutes. That is simply not possible right now because right as you drop the mobs into lightning dhs your server will lag so much that your party will be dead as soon as the lag starts.

I don't think servers lag, it would be client machine, I have one weaker and one brand new beast, on weaker crowded parties lag, but on new beast all work fine ?

Pretty sure its server lag. All 4 players have same lag + i play with a lot of people and they always have lag + in the morning it doesnt lag because less players play diablo worldwide.