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Oct 25, 2009Darkzler posted a message on Birthright, a part of the Sin War trilogy *Contains spoilers*Cheers for the quick replies. I just wanted to write it down somewhere and this was the perfect place hehe. I can imagine that I will have another 100 questions when I'm done with the Trilogy but sometimes you think of something so much that you just want to share it with some and discuss itPosted in: Lore & Storyline
Even though it didn't lead to much discussion I still got to hear what you guys thought about it, that was the main idea hehe.
*will now continue to read Birthright*
Oct 25, 2009Darkzler posted a message on Birthright, a part of the Sin War trilogy *Contains spoilers*Hello everyone!Posted in: Lore & Storyline
I've just been reading the first book in the epic trilogy of Sin War, Birthright. I got about 80+pages left but have been thinking of something concerning Inarius and Tyrael.
On the page: 158 in Birthright they tell us that Inarius who's "brother" Tyrael couldn't see reason.
"But Inarius had grown sick of the endless battles, the plotting and counterplotting. Nothing was gained. Had he been in charge of the Council, he would have done things differently, but even his brother--brother in the sense that their resonances, their beings, held a distinct similarity compared with others'--would not see reason. Even Tyrael, he who was the essence of Justice, could not or would not understand the truth."
I've been thinking that it might not be Tyrael we have been shown in the pictures that Blizzard have shared with us. On the same page as I refered to above they also give us the information that others, both in the Heaven and Hell agreed with Inarius regarding the battles so it might not be impossible that someone have freed Inarius and that he is back for some reason? To take care of his beloved Sanctuary? The Worldstone still was his creation and might not be impossible to have this as some sort of plot? Please prove me wrong since I haven't read the last 2 books or the end of Birthright.
I haven't read the 2nd and 3rd book of the Sin War trilogy but I just had to share my thoughts while I currently spend all my time thinking about this epic story
Please bare with me, this isn't a conspiracy regarding Tyrael being evil or good etc, this is about Inarius which is why I am making a new post instead of posting it in the thread about the Tyrael Conspiracy.
Oct 22, 2009Thanks for creating this post/article, it's fun to know the history of this site and I had no idea that it would be this "windy". I hope that things will get a bit more solid for you guys but I'll do my best to contribute somehow by posting on your forums.Posted in: News & Announcements
Oct 21, 2009Darkzler posted a message on Why did Diablo and Baal spare Tyrael's life? [fixed spelling]This is one of the most interesting posts here on Diablofans. Just wanted to say that and bump it!Posted in: Lore & Storyline
Jun 29, 2008Posted in: Lore & StorylineQuote from "joecatty" »guys you are probably missing one thing. When they wrote the storyline for diablo 2, they didn't think about future diablo 3 correlations, so you have to think that what you see in diablo 2 is what it is, and future development in diablo 3 will be a new interpretation...that's why most of think that Tyrael will be corrupted by the worldstone pieces and become a fallen angel, falling from heaven in the comet we see in the video and generating the evil monsters from its crash...or maybe something like that, it's to early to know.
There is always some way to twist the story in their favour. Wouldn't be hard to make something up about Tyrael and that the worldstones destruction made it possible for the demons once again to enter the world. The hard part is to make it acceptable to the lore that the facts are right and so that they won't do something that goes against previous lore.
Jun 29, 2008Posted in: Lore & StorylineQuote from "adidaf" »That what i meant about the Necros.
And anout Tyrael. In the cinematic it D2 in Tal Rashas tomb, when Marius ran away, Tyrael was fighting Baal and DIablo and was obviusly loosing and noone knows what happened then.
Tyrael shows at the ends and says "I must destroy the World Stone", which even Decard Cane doesn't know what its for and its purpose. And he destroys it and that how it ends. Now as I wrote in the first post this stone must have power much more than any good or evil, so it can keep the balance and if it was corrupted, why didn't he returned it and made it like it was. When Baal has the strenght to make it bad, the Heaven must have the strenght to make it good or neutral and Tyrael destroyed it - the thing that was keeping the balance.
The other thing is when they freed Mephisto, they split up and I think that each went to do his part of the plan. Diablo went to Hell; Mephisto stayed to got killed(?!!?!?) and Baal - I think right there he went to the North to do his part - corrupt the World Stone, which means they had planned this from the beginning.
Now in Diablo 1 Diablo was freed; Diablo 2 - he freed his brothers and it would be stupid if they died from such a stupid death. I think that the 3 games show one plan of bringing the Evil to the World and with the destructuion of the World Stone, they actualy might succeed.
Considering what Tyrael has done so far I doubt he would destroy the worldstone in any evil purpose. Deckard Cain, the last of the Horadrim didn't even know much about the worldstone and when he pray that Tyrael is making the right choice by destroying it, then there were no other option left, Tyrael also states this. Deckard Cain know that it will have great effect on the world but it's a choice they have to do. The worldstone was in fact corrupted and couldn't be the heart of balance anymore.
The only way I could accept that Tyrael has become evil is from the effect of the worldstone being destroyed. I can't see any other reason to why he should be one of the bad guys. Just look what he have done the entire game and you know if it wouldn't be for him, the entire sanctuary would be run over by the creatures from hell.
Jun 29, 2008Posted in: Lore & StorylineQuote from "Atrumentis" »Actually, that information is from the Diablo I manual. If you haven't played DI or read its manual, you definitely should. A lot of people say that Diablo I is actually better than Diablo II.
But I believe Belial is mentioned in The Legacy of Blood. Xazax is a minion of Belial, from what I recall.
Ah, I've played Diablo I but never noticed about who are the lesser evils, or at least the thought have never occured to me that there was a big difference. Then again when I played Diablo I the last time was several years ago.
Jun 29, 2008Posted in: Lore & StorylineQuote from "Atrumentis" »Yes, Darkzler, those guys are 'evils' too, but they actually aren't Great Evils.
There are seven Great Evils: 3 Prime and 4 Lesser.
3 Prime: Diablo, Mephisto, Baal
4 Lesser: Andariel, Duriel, Azmodan and Belial.
Please refer to this link for more information: http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Evils
The Blizzard guys were saying that we have seen Andariel and Duriel so far, but we have yet to see Azmodan (the Lord of Sin) and Belial (the Lord of Lies). We will very likely get to see them two in DIII.
And yes, they are only part of Diablo lore. Everything is only part of Diablo lore. Its not real life lol.
Who said it leads to another dimension? We don't know where that portal led to exactly, but its assumed that it led back to town or back to the Hellforge to destroy Baal's soulstone.
Oh, thank you for clearing that up for me mate. Had no idea, haven't read The Sin War yet, started with the 3 other books, Black Road etc.
Jun 29, 2008Posted in: Lore & StorylineQuote from "NalaCin" »Hi all new member here.
I just read on gamespot that one of the blizzard ppl at the convention said there is 7 evils from hell, which might mean that we are gonna battle the remanining 4 maybe.
But my question is :
Who is the remaining evils then ?
Anyone know, curious becuase i dont know where to find those names unless they are only part of the diablo lore.
Quoting Atrumentis post just above:
"Astrogah, too, hasn't been seen yet. Though if you look at the concept art for DIII, a spider-woman can be seen. I have no idea if she is related to Astrogah or not though.
There is also Lucion, but we don't know if he really did fade from existence at Uldyssian's hand or not. (Uldyssian wished Lucion to become 'nothing' and so he did)."
There is also Kabraxis that could possible come back when Darrick Lang has lost the control, since he is the gateway.
Jun 29, 2008Posted in: Lore & StorylineQuote from "zynalc" »Exactly what you said about Tyrael! He want to sacrifice himself. But think about the player in D1, the dark wanderer. He thought he could hold the Diablo too. But it turned out the other way round. Oh my god, fighting against dark-Tyrael!!!:cool:
By the way, have you notice the figures at both sides near the life ball and magic ball. One demon and one angel....
The demon and the angel is there just because of the balance. That I am 99% certain of. I don't think for a bit that Tyrael would try to hold him, especially not since the great mage Tal Rasha combined with the powers of Baal proved to be a very bad combination. It was however Marius fault that Baal got free and Tyrael losing but that's anothing story
Jun 29, 2008Posted in: Lore & StorylineQuote from "zynalc" »Haha, maybe you should wirte somewhere else instead of writing in the browser. Anyway it's a pity that you can't share the idea with others.
I actually don't with the "Tyrael gave a damn what happened to humanity" thing. I think there is a contract between the hell and heaven that nobody is allowed to interfere what happend in our world. So it is actually Tyrael's fault. I'm not blaming him but I think he've done more than what he should....
I think that Tyrael was heavens contribution to even the balance like it's always been. Just read through the novels and we clearly see that if a demon walks the earth then there is some way to stop them, just in the name of balance. That's at least what I think. Doubt there was something else Tyrael could do and he probably got all heaven behind him :thumbsup:
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Oct 22, 2009Thanks for creating this post/article, it's fun to know the history of this site and I had no idea that it would be this "windy". I hope that things will get a bit more solid for you guys but I'll do my best to contribute somehow by posting on your forums.Posted in: News
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