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Quote from "Seth" »

Coercion and theft? I must have missed that in my history books. The technology was developed from research in space or in development of technologies used in the space program.

Ahh, you'll have to go far back in history books not offered in public schools. Or political theory texts.

Taxes are theft.

Quote from "Seth" »

I wouldn't say it was a wasted effort. Like they said, it had to start somewhere. Space exploration and testing has led to a good bit of new technology that we use every single day.

All of that technology could have been developed without coercion and theft. Landing on the moon in and of itself is great, but the method for achieving the goal was and still is awful.

Quote from "Puttah" »

I love how you say the news had proof, not evidence, but proof that the Apollo never landed. Wherever you watched this, did the show specifically say proof or was this your editing? Why stop there, why not call it a physical law?

I believe that is impossible to ever land on the moon, because the moon is only a fat dot in the sky, and long ago, the ancient egyptians photo-shopped a star in the sky and made it fat to look like a moon. Hence, proven. No moon, no landing.



Yes this is true, but exploration needs to start somewhere, and there it will always be costly to start. How about if the first ships were never created to explore the oceans and beyond because labour could've been better spent elsewhere?
I guess I just support scientific endeavours in that sense. It's usually for a better tomorrow, even though tomorrow is probably well out of our lifetimes.

I'm fairly positive that a central coercive agency is not required to create a boat, nor to explore with one. I'm not against exploration, just the means in which this particular topic had its support.

It doesn't much matter if we landed or didn't, the people still had their money stolen from an endeavor that could have seen it better spent in other areas.

On July 4th, I celebrate Independence Day, not the date.

Seems like all of America thinks Independence day is about fireworks, not liberty.

Don't post this here. This is what newfags do.

Hardcore,

Obama is a hindrance upon the American people because Statism is a failed ideology, and he perpetuates and expands it. The man is not the problem, although he is creating many. The root is deep in centralist and collectivist filth. I will delve into this in larger detail in a later post.

Quote from "HARDCOREPOORE" »

what kind of government takes money from people, oh yeah communists. if the president is a regular person, then the system has failed. the president has to be the best of the best, there is no way the president should have equal intelligence to the common person

I am utterly and completely against the Obama administration, and I am also completely and utterly against the ridiculousness of this statement. This kind of post is not only viciously wrong, but offensive in its state of confusion.

VegasRage,

No one here can dispute what you said. As much hope as I had in Ron Paul, I can't help but realize that the only hope we have as a nation is in our own hands.

On the other hand, where is the line in the sand for the American people? Has it come and passed, or will it take the military marching on our streets? If it ever gets to that point, you all have my personal promise I will abandon my post.

Voting for the lesser of two evils is why this country will never get better.

Lets make this clear, Obama is bad. Here is why:

Barack Obama is following in the Bush tracks. George Bush tripled the size of the United States government, government will only grow under the Obama administration.

-His proposals and backing for the slavery of united states citizens as well as his lack of attention towards the slavery that already exists in America (Federal Income Tax). Those taken in under the GIVE act will lose First Amendment rights.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13389002/HR-1388

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhQ_lEiaNT8&feature=related

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&ei=y5PLSb-DNpKYrAKt-IXIBw&q=freedom+to+facism&hl=en

-His continuation of the endless wars in the middle east. The trickery of altering the titles of soldiers in combat roles in Iraq so as to keep them overseas. The doubling of combat troop numbers in Afghanistan, and as a symbol to this his first military action as CIC being the bombing of Pakistani civilians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6rZsttDmpo&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TovrzDZlqIM

-Pre-election "truth squads" formed by Barack Obama to silence through legal action those who opposed him. Another violation of the First Amendment.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/09/29/missouri-sheriffs-prosecutors-obama-truth-squad-getting-old-media-silenc

-Crumbling the second amendment, with the proposed assault weapons ban.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1

http://www.operatorchan.org/n/src/n3196_1217999144913.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv3p2lLmjGk


I can go on and on with these problems with Obama, but I believe what people need to realize is to not be caught up with the flair over individuals. The government has been going downhill for a long time.

Government: A government is a group of individuals within a geographical area who retain the monopolistic moral and legal right to initiate force. The moral right is said to be dictated through a (false) social contract. With this knowledge we unlock a synonym to government: violent monopoly. We all have the right to self-defense, but only the government, or, now violent monopoly, has the right to bring down force upon others.


Just think about that.


The reason that the state is a living hell is because man tries to make it his living heaven.

Quote from "Doppelganger" »

Very touching story and you can -if you wish- take that with little -or a whole lot- of cynicism. Also, you actually claim to posses the proof of the existence of these weapons? You know, you, the only man on the face of the earth that actually supposedly knows for a fact Saddam did (note that it should have been "does") have them?
Well i'll be damned, quick, give this man a podium.
If what you say would even have the slightest inclination of truth to it, then putting Saddam to death, instead of questioning him about the location of these fantastical elusive weapons, really would have been exceptionally stupid, yes?
Lets disregard Powells "mobile laboratory" proof and them stating to know the exact locations, oh right i forgot, it was a hoax.
And you call anyone making the conclusion that there is zero evidence whatsoever of there having been, or still being, those weapons nuts. Mind boggling.

Look, i know its hard to accept that what you have been fighting for, what you have been willing to give your life for, aint at all what the government has been telling you. The truth hurts, doesn't it.

Your condescending tone isn't really helping you when your mind is limited to different ideas. Stepping back out of the politics and media box, and thinking a bit more realistically, is it inconceivable to any of you that since Saddam had them before, he might have kept them? Is it unimaginable to suggest that there is as much propaganda for the war as there is against it?

Doppelganger, you may take me for a Bush-loving infantry-type with not much in the ways of intellectual goals (as your statements and tone suggest), but with a response like the one you gave me it's hard to take you seriously.

I've heard a lot of discussion about the troops, I am a troop. I want to win, I do not want to be defeated. In the Heinlein sense, I earned my right to vote - and I earned my right to speak about this matter. Whatever your opinion about the war may be, you don't have to worry about going - I do - and I want to go.

I have a, what I guess I can call a mentor in my life, US Army Special Ops sergeant over there right now. His job is assessing the police force. An Iraqi police officer and he were walking back to the officer's house after a shift, and long story short, the officer was killed in front of his wife, kids, and my friend. Instead of saying his last words to his family, he looked to my friend and said to him "Thank you for giving me a country worth dying for".

Now, to any of you who honestly believe that Saddam did not have WMDs... you have got to be nuts. My job revolves around nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons and in my training I have been through VX nerve agent. After use the first time, the man should have been taken out.

That's about it, but please... look past the media, look past the "exclusive insider" books, and don't just talk to the latest college kid with a "new" idea.

The American people should have to earn they're right to vote, we've got too many pansies running around obsessed with the coolest counter-culture who haven't worked a solid day in they're life, and never seen a thing except easy food and constant entertainment.

Hell, a good percentage of America is so confused they scream for big government policies yet get caught up in the cool of fighting the establishment.

It sucks when the people you are arguing with are stubbornly confused.

Quote from "Ody" »

Yeah, I hate that too.

I want people to vote, but not for the wrong reasons. Idiots think Obama is a Muslim, or that he swore in on the Quran, or doesn't say the Pledge of Allegiance. And when you provide facts and evidence that refutes all those statements, they just say "Yes, he is a Muslim/ swears on the Quran/ doesn't say PoA."

How the FUCK can you argue with someone like that? Better to just throw them off a bridge.

Saying he is a communist should clear it up for people, but noo..