Do you really want to know what happened? What changed? You're probably not going to like it. Still want to know? Okay, here goes:
Cheating in Diablo 3 doesn't affect you. D3 is a coop game and cheating is only frowned upon in competitive games. Yes, I realize that some elements of Seasons are "competitive," but not in such a way that exploiting some XP gain by sitting in town is going to give you an unfair advantage.
Look at any online competitive game and you'll see that cheating is frowned upon and actioned whenever possible. Look at games like Counter-Strike or CoD and you'll see communities that are completely against cheating because it actually has a negative impact on their personal enjoyment of the game. Now let's compare that to Diablo 3.
In Diablo 3, you wouldn't even know that someone is cheating unless you were watching their stream. Wow, that really screws up the game for YOU, doesn't it? ... No, it doesn't.
That's what happened. I said you wouldn't like it.
TL;DR: Nothing has changed. Cheating is still frowned upon and cheaters still hide in the shadows... except on Diablo 3... because it doesn't affect anyone aside from themselves.
I really like this post and everything in it. Bans or resets in diablo type game are just silly to me. I bought the game, I should be able to play it in any way I want and so should everybody else.
As was stated above, since D3 was made by MMO devs with MMO features...what others do absolutely does affect everyone, even if they never join a game with another player.
Yeaaaah, no. Your whole "nerfs" post? Yeah, no. Anything that gets nerfed like that would've gotten nerfed at some point, anyway. Exploiters just point out the flaws in the game faster.
If those nerfs are affecting you, it means that you were using the "exploits," as well. "WTF? I can't do chest runs now because those EXPLOITERS were doing chest runs and got it nerfed!" You do realize that Diablo 3 is a farming game, right? So, why would you expect people to behave otherwise? So, it's not an exploit when you open a surface Resplendent chest, but it's an exploit when people go out specifically looking for and farming them? Even when farming is the entire point of Diablo 3? Do you see how silly that sounds? It really sounds like you're just mad because they got to do something and now you can't do it.
Tell me, how exactly did those using the recent Torment-6-Greater-Rift-XP exploit affect you? Were you sitting in town leaching xp? No? Then it doesn't affect you, does it? Those botters, botting chests and bosses and bounties... how do they affect you? The people who were farming the bugged Malthael XP, how did they affect you?
TL;DR: "I should be able to play any way I want to... but those 'EXPLOITERS' shouldn't be able to."
What a load of nonsense.
1) Shoving your fingers in your ears and yelling "NUH UH!!!!" doesn't change reality, none of these things were nerfed until they were exploited. The streamers are exploiters too, they are not a seperate group you can shift blame too. Also, how long have you worked at Blizzard...oh wait, you don't...so shut up about what would have happened anyway, you have no clue.
2) Your statement saying anyone complaining must be an exploiter too is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read here, congrats, that is no small accomplishment. One does not have to be exploiting something to miss it when it's gone from the game, Missing surface resplendent chests or loot from vases doesn't mean someone was farming or botting them.
P.S. Stop trying to make exploiters sound like some kind of heroes for "pointing out flaws in the game". They are pond scum who know they can't compete on a level playing field.
P.PS. Your TL.DR attempt at trying to equate cheating as a valid playstyle compared to not cheating....makes me wonder how you are able to remember to breath.
This detached behavior translates to online gaming. When a major exploit comes along, people say "OMG FKING BLIZZ SUCKS". Instead of the more reasonable approach of calling out those who are purposely ripping the game.
It's basically a case of among teenagers being a troll is cool.
I remember playing WoW and people would sit around with their guildmates, people who were trying to come together to do something more than they could as individuals, and goad them into arguments, spam the table flip ASCII thing, respond to everything with "umadbro?" etc.
You could clearly tell the teenagers from EVERYONE ELSE. It's really a lack of parenting more than anything else. Anyone who believes that exploits are Blizzard's fault probably needed their dad to come home from work and beat the shit out of them with his belt because the kid got mouthy with his mother. But that probably wouldn't happen because the kid has six siblings, each one from a different father.
When I was a child no one gave two fucks if I thought Hasbro made an inferior cement truck toy. Kids today are raised to believe their opinion matters. Just look at Facebook. You have grown adults who communicate on the level of amoeba. And they're everywhere. Why? Because instead of holding their children responsible for being a party to their own education, parents nowadays just go to schools and blame the teachers for failing their children. MOTHERFUCKERS.... YOUR CHILDREN ARE FAILING BECAUSE YOU ARE BLAMING EVERYONE EXCEPT THEM. YOU ARE GIVING THEM A FREE PASS.
And then they grow up into mouthbreathing neckbeards who think that they are God's gift to everything they touch. D3 isn't perfect? RIOT! XP bug? NOT MY FAULT.
Bitch. If a shopowner leaves his front door unlocked that doesn't give you the right to go in and steal all the items from the shelves. Just because there is a bug in a piece of software that doesn't mean you have an open invitation to use it.
Reminds me of a young engineer I work with. He's a very smart engineer, but is virtually incable of getting along with anyone outside of his immediate age group. He thinks he knows more about the work environment and how things work than people who have been there 10, 20, 40x longer than he has. And of course, if anyone calls him on it, he views it as age discrimination or racism (he's neon white, but we work in Hawaii). It never even enters his mind that he's a disrespectful assclown to those who have been around longer than him.
I mean seriously, it's pointed out repeatedly how these thing affect everyone besides just the leaderboards and people keep saying "it doesn't affect you".
Do you really want to know what happened? What changed? You're probably not going to like it. Still want to know? Okay, here goes:
Cheating in Diablo 3 doesn't affect you. D3 is a coop game and cheating is only frowned upon in competitive games. Yes, I realize that some elements of Seasons are "competitive," but not in such a way that exploiting some XP gain by sitting in town is going to give you an unfair advantage.
Look at any online competitive game and you'll see that cheating is frowned upon and actioned whenever possible. Look at games like Counter-Strike or CoD and you'll see communities that are completely against cheating because it actually has a negative impact on their personal enjoyment of the game. Now let's compare that to Diablo 3.
In Diablo 3, you wouldn't even know that someone is cheating unless you were watching their stream. Wow, that really screws up the game for YOU, doesn't it? ... No, it doesn't.
That's what happened. I said you wouldn't like it.
TL;DR: Nothing has changed. Cheating is still frowned upon and cheaters still hide in the shadows... except on Diablo 3... because it doesn't affect anyone aside from themselves.
I really like this post and everything in it. Bans or resets in diablo type game are just silly to me. I bought the game, I should be able to play it in any way I want and so should everybody else.
As was stated above, since D3 was made by MMO devs with MMO features...what others do absolutely does affect everyone, even if they never join a game with another player.
The "it doesn't affect you" is the lamest copout ever. It also absolutely does affect everyone when nerf after nerf occurs because the cheaters and exploiters abused the hell out of things until they were removed. Yeah yeah, I know...people will claim that most of these things weren't exploits, but they were exploiting the games mechanics. Exploits aren't just abusing bugs like the recent one. It goes all the way back to removing surface Resplendant Chest spawns right up to nefing static spawns and bounties. Every one of those things things affected all players whether they exploited or not. There are dozens of other examples of things that were nice for "normal" players that were removed or nerfed due to people exploiting them non-stop. So "It doesn't affect you" is pure concentrated BS.
Yeah. People never boasted about cheating before YouTube came along, WoW never had a one-button healbot and they never put cheat codes or ads for ROM hacks in magazines either.
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This may come as a shock to you, there was online gaming before WoW.
And that stuff in magazines was for single player games.
The general issue voiced by the players that the distribution of the easy, neutral and hard monsters is uneven. You have an equal chance of getting a Rift full of Zombies and Skeletons and a Rift full of Fallen Angels and Exarchs. RNG is RNG...
I favor kicking anyone who says "RNG is RNG" in the junk....HARD.
There is virtually nothing RNG left in D3. Assuming at some point they had a good working pseudorandom number generator in the game at all...they have tweaked and weighted so many aspects of it, calling it random is a complete joke.
Sick to death of how every highly rated build guide requires me to have 1 to 10 or so specific legendaries that add specific bonuses to skills. What ends up happening is I have to use random skills and passives I pick when leveling and just hoping I made a good choice. Noone seems to make this type of guide so until I spend a few thousand hours at max level farming with my skills I chose and get all those legendaries most popular guides that exist are useless and since what I want is unpopular guides I have no idea if the builds are any good for a fresh 70 or someone leveling or if they are unpopular cause they suck no matter what.
Suggested the feature for the builds section of diablofans to have an option to only list guides that don't have any gear labeled as required but they misunderstood that I meant the feature they have where you can add a legendary and it excludes all builds with that legendary even listed. Trouble with that is for someone with 0 legendaries they have to add every legendary in the game to the list of exclusions 1 by 1 and all that would do is say 0 builds exist since theres a difference between recommended and required. Sadly since my suggestion was misunderstood its basically not likely to happen and i'm left with a list of builds that suck because I don't have the legendary that makes it viable.
This is my type of build I would make using demon hunter for the example. Instead of rapid fire I might use Multi shot with Fire at Will for trash and just use rapid fire on bosses.
To me this looks like a good build but I have alot of people telling me that rapid fire is *beep*?
So yeah does anyone have some guides for each class for people who just hit 70 and only have blues and rares?
Preach it!!
I decided to play a class I don't normally play for each season, for S1 I chose barbarian. The other night I ended up disgusted with pretty much every D3 site I could find. There were no builds that didn't require a thousand hours of farming for specific legendaries.
If you've farmed long enough to get that full leapquake set...I would hope you would already know the build.
Of course, most of the people using these uber builds really don't know how to play them, just abused the hell out of RIF until it was taken out back and shot.
Some people...no matter what the claim just really don't seem to understand what an ARPG, especially D3 is. They want and endless stream of new content and some mythical "endgame". Of course they also want all of this to be free.
In fact...it sounds like they want it treated like a pay to play MMO.
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- Maximum Greater Rift Level
- Leader Board Position
- Conquests
- Having T6 on speed farm
And just being able to relax and play while progressing at a leisurely pace. Who's with me?0
1) Shoving your fingers in your ears and yelling "NUH UH!!!!" doesn't change reality, none of these things were nerfed until they were exploited. The streamers are exploiters too, they are not a seperate group you can shift blame too. Also, how long have you worked at Blizzard...oh wait, you don't...so shut up about what would have happened anyway, you have no clue.
2) Your statement saying anyone complaining must be an exploiter too is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read here, congrats, that is no small accomplishment. One does not have to be exploiting something to miss it when it's gone from the game, Missing surface resplendent chests or loot from vases doesn't mean someone was farming or botting them.
P.S. Stop trying to make exploiters sound like some kind of heroes for "pointing out flaws in the game". They are pond scum who know they can't compete on a level playing field.
P.PS. Your TL.DR attempt at trying to equate cheating as a valid playstyle compared to not cheating....makes me wonder how you are able to remember to breath.
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I mean seriously, it's pointed out repeatedly how these thing affect everyone besides just the leaderboards and people keep saying "it doesn't affect you".
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I never said axploits and cheating are new.
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And that stuff in magazines was for single player games.
But the tone of your reply is...enlightening.
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Besides, this isn't about the latest exploit specifically or the one before that or the one before that. It's about gamers.
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Now they are proud of what they do and THEY feel insulted and attack those who call them on their actions.
WTF happened?
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There is virtually nothing RNG left in D3. Assuming at some point they had a good working pseudorandom number generator in the game at all...they have tweaked and weighted so many aspects of it, calling it random is a complete joke.
RNG is RNG
Is not a magical argument winner.
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How many hundreds / thousands of RIF rifts?
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I decided to play a class I don't normally play for each season, for S1 I chose barbarian. The other night I ended up disgusted with pretty much every D3 site I could find. There were no builds that didn't require a thousand hours of farming for specific legendaries.
If you've farmed long enough to get that full leapquake set...I would hope you would already know the build.
Of course, most of the people using these uber builds really don't know how to play them, just abused the hell out of RIF until it was taken out back and shot.
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In fact...it sounds like they want it treated like a pay to play MMO.