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    posted a message on Mistress of Pain is related to Duriel
    Not lilith, she was depicted more lizard like in the novels, nothing arachnid about her.
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    posted a message on possible D3 Logo meaning.
    I think its just a cool image, and probably nothing more
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    posted a message on Φ Diablo Lore and Chronology of Events
    No, the crater was caused by the destruction of the world stone.
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    posted a message on Φ Diablo Lore and Chronology of Events
    No, those are the Lesser Evils, and there are only 4

    Belial, Azmodian, Andariel, and Duriel

    I personally believe it was diablo
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    posted a message on Φ Ask Lore Questions Here (No Theories)
    Besides Baal?
    Uldyssian, to allow human beings more obtainable power.
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    posted a message on Φ Diablo Lore and Chronology of Events
    Quote from "Ivaron" »
    Yeah, it does seem like that.

    And now, for the most important question: If Diablo is dead in D2, how come D3 is called.. well.. Diablo 3? :) Is he coming back? Did he plan all of this even further than we thought (like how being defeated in D1 only helped him out eventually, maybe the same goes for D2 although we just can't see how)? Have fun discussing that one... ^^


    Well, here is the real question that needs to be answered. ARE THE THREE IMMORTAL?
    If they are dead, then who then is able to match any or all of them in power?
    Would the forces of hell not be overrun eventually???

    Now, here's another of my numerous theories.

    The soulstones were made, so that they would entierly consume and suppress anything that was not tied to sanctuary. However, the demons could manifest themselves if the stone were to come in solid contact with a resident of sanctuary. (Thus Diablo in both previous games, and Baal in Tal Rasha).

    When diablo was killed in diablo one, the body of the prince showed up after big D went down, because big D was in the soulstone, not in the boy.

    So, Mephisto really wasn't Mephisto, but himself projected through the transformation of a human body, and the same goes for both Diablo and Baal.

    Now, once the bodies were destroyed, all the essence of the soul must have retruned to the soul stone.

    Now, we remeber what happened when Baal broke his soulstone, it wasn't able to completely hold all of his essence. THIS IS KEY HERE!!!

    What would have happened if Tal Rasha didn't accept the duity of taking on the stone? BAAL WOULD HAVE ESCAPED THE STONE!!!

    Therefore, the smashing of the stones did not kill diablo or mephisto, neither did we when we killed their mortal forms.
    Smashing the soul stones simply released their essence back out, to recoperate somewhere.
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    posted a message on Theory on Necromancers in D3...
    Trag'Oul existed as guardian of sanctuary, and there were others guarding other realms as well.
    I don't believe in any way he was tied to the World Stone.

    However, I'm willing to bet that there's going to be a necromancer in the game somewhere, either playable or a very key NPC. They are just to critical to the lore. They are the ones fighting for the balance between good and evil, and no one else understands the importance of this better then them.

    I also am willing to bet we might get to meet big ol Trag himself. That would be shweeeeet!!

    Edit: However, necros were simply able to help bridge the gap between the living here and the dead. They were to conduits for communication, and I'm pretty sure you need to be alive in order to accomplish that.
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    posted a message on Φ Diablo Lore and Chronology of Events
    Well, let's break down the purpose of the world stone
    1. It was initially created to hide sanctuary from heaven and hell
    - This failed
    2. It was utilized to suppress the abilities of the nephalem.
    - From the Sin War books, we know that Uldyssian corrupted this

    Now, it was during the end of the Sin War where Tyrael appealed to the Angris Council on behalf of mankind.
    After watching the selfless display by Uldyssian, he was the only who seemed not bent on the destruction or the corruption of humanity.
    From here he isn't mentioned in any other books until Legacy of Blood, as far as I know.
    In this book he was influential in the defeat of Bartuc's armor, which can be inferred by the conversation between the protagonist and his two companions which he murdered.
    From here Tyrael doesn't appear until you reach the end of Act 2, where he is preventing the release of baal.
    Baal and the other two get together, you see Tyrael in hell, then not again until you defeat baal.
    During none of this have I found evidence of corruption in him, other then the fact that he disobeyed the agreement by the angris council saying they would not interfere.

    I think he just sympathized with our cause, and in a way sacrificed himself for our protection.
    It wasn't him who planned on corrupting the world stone. That was Baal who obviously did that, and for what reason is the question we need to be asking? We need to look at the root functions of the world stone in relation to the motives of heaven and hell, and the majority of the motive that i see has been on the part of hell, while heavens nose is stuck up in the air. And during all of this, Tyrael is the only one keeping the game somewhat fair for us.
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    posted a message on Φ Diablo Lore and Chronology of Events
    Well, my theory is that he disobeyed the rest of the angris council.

    A few of them, including the leader, wished to wipe humans out, and considered them an abomination. But Tyrael saw something he liked and helped us out, when, as far as I remember from the books, hes wasn't supposed to.

    Maybe he's been banished for interfering, and Heaven just wants mankind to be wiped out, so they offer no help at all. (their also too busy dealing with hell itself).
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    posted a message on Φ Diablo Lore and Chronology of Events
    Quote from "Ivaron" »
    That just raises even more questions. I mean, if they had merged, why the hell would there be a Warlord of Blood in Diablo 1? And a Bartuc the Bloody in LoD? There were 3 of them? :o


    I believe that was just a mixup between the game creators and the lore. According to lore, there were the two brothers, and Bartuc was still dead during diablo 1 and it was during diablo 2 when the incident between bartuc and Horizon took place

    Quote from "Ivaron" »
    Yeah, they were cast down, but still how would that make a difference? They still shouldn't have been able to enter the mortal realm.. And if the World Stone just maintains a solid boundary between heaven and hell, what was the point in making it? I thought Inarius made it so Heaven couldn't come to Sanctuary and punish him.
    Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. How are you sure they were parts of the world stone though?
    It's a logical deduction, but I don't believe they said this anywhere :)

    But yes, in that case it makes sence to assume the soul stone isn't important anymore.


    Inarus just made it so it couldn't be found, not to keep them from entering. Also, it was corrupted by Uldyssian at some point, and the effects of that haven't been totally explored.

    As well, eventually the heavens and hell both found sanctuary, as far as the novels go. In the end of the Veiled Prophet, the angris council decides, after letting humanity and sanctuary continue to exist, that they would try to avoid intervention with it, and let human beings make up their own minds. Now, there was some discussion between them and Mephisto, but to what extent hell would hold up its end of the bargan can clearly be seen in everything that is occuring now.

    I think Tyreal is simply trying to keep a level playing field, but with the discription of the Angris council, they don't seem to look lightly on any sort of flaws or dishonor.
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    posted a message on Φ Diablo Lore and Chronology of Events
    Quote from "Ivaron" »
    Actually, that's just logical thinking: First, there's chaos, right? In chaos there's space to argue with others: Hatred (Mephisto). This soon goes very wrong, people start fighting, and wars emerge: Desctruction. Which makes people afraid: Terror.

    What I want to know is:

    1. Had Diablo planned to draw a powerful hero to Tristram and take possession of him to get a better body than the child's, or was it just luck for him?
    2. What exactly happened to the real Summoner if the one you defeat in D2 is fake?
    3. How come Tyrael could come to the mortal realm? I thought the Worldstone was supposed to keep both Demons ánd Angels out? The same goes for Diablo, Baal and Mephisto?
    4. What happened to Baal's soulstone after he was defeated? Did Tyrael destroy it?
    5. Where did the soulstones come from? Pieces of the Worldstone?
    6. What did Mephisto plan to do in Khurast?
    7. What did Diablo plan to do in Hell?
    8. What purpose did Baal intend to use the corrupted Worldstone for?
    9. Why did Diablo allow Marius to follow him? Maybe he thrived on Marius' terror? Actually, this would make sence. We see Marius undergoing the effects all the Prime Evils have on him: he's terryfied when he's traveling with Diablo, he's hurt when he hears Mephisto speak ("and that voice.. it was like a thousand needles in my own heart") and he gets destroyed by Baal.


    Ok, from the books I can answer these questions.
    2. From Legacy of Blood, Horizon and Bartuc merged in the end of the novel, and Horizon, the architect of the Arcane Sanctuary, was actually a part of it. So, after he merged with his evil brother, who knows what happened.
    3. The world stone no longer prevents demons or Angels from entering. The 3 were cast there during the civil war in hell, remember? The world stone, as far as my understanding goes, just maintains a solid boundary between heaven and hell.
    4. The soulstone became a moot point because...
    5. it was a part of the world stone. And my theory is that the supressing capabilities of the worldstone which were implemented upon the nephalem were used similarly on the three.
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    posted a message on Leah
    Quote from "xonium" »
    I think she's no one special.
    And she's under 20.


    All cain is thinking is that she's over 18 and LEGAL.

    if theirs grass on the field, PLAY BALL!!!
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    posted a message on Diablo III World Lore and Environment Art Panel
    That was more annoying then informative...
    ehhhhh, its 4 already...
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    posted a message on Diablo III World Lore and Environment Art Panel
    Diablo, Baal, Mephisto, Belail, Azmodian, Duriel, Andariel
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    posted a message on Diablo III World Lore and Environment Art Panel
    Getting information from these guys is like getting blood from a stone...
    GIVE SOMETHING UP ALREADY!!!!
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